QUESTIONS FROM A NEWBIE!!!

[LatinasAreCute]

QUESTIONS FROM Hello everyone! I'm brand new to this forum and have some serious questions I need help with. Ok here are my questions and I hope someone will be kind enough to answer them directly here or feel free to Instant message/email me.

1.Has Anyone actually envoked Jesus Christ?? I'm not talking about your cousin or a friend but have YOU had contact with a being calling themselves Jesus Christ? This is a part of the same question, why on earth is Jesus supposidly called "Jeshua Ben Pandira" and how do people REALLY know he IS Jesus Christ?? Has anyone asked him specific questions?? What did he LOOK LIKE?? Is the dark skinned jesus or lighter?

2.Time Travel.. how does one know they are actually traveling to the past instead of something that sort of resembles the past? Can I go back and see Jesus and his disciples?? Could I actually interact and talk to these people in the past? If I could wouldn't that create a paradox?? Sorry but this time travel fascinates me!

3.Are people in comas in a perpetual astral plane? Where are they if they are not conscious but in a deep like sleep? If they are in the astral can they walk around and are they conscious in the astral?

4.Does time move faster or slower in the astral? Does for instance an hour in the astral feel like a minute or much longer in comparison to earth time? I guess time doesn't exist in the astral but I'm still curious. Does it feel like HOURS have passed in your AP?

5.Can you have a temporary "home" in the astral? What I mean is that can you have a regular place you go to every week/day whatever? Can you create a house for yourself in the astral? UPDATE:This was partially answered by my finding about the Astral pulse island which shocked me and I'm still in disbelief at but I'm going to read more about it.

6.Since there are so many things we do NOT know about the astral, how does anyone really know that the "masters" or divine beings are really who they say they are?? Could they be something else entirely?

7. Do most people here believe that the "masters" will not help them if they give detailed accounts of their astral travels? Has anyone spilled the beans and faced a consequence??

8.I want info about The Hall of Records or the Akashic records as Edgar Cayce called them. Has anyone here actually traveled to where the records are and actually seen what it is like? I have heard many mention it but have not seen someone say "yes I have seen it" so I'm very curious as to how the experience works. Would I see everything I ever experienced like on a movie type screen? Could I observe myself as a child walking around and could I interact with myself?

9.This is something I'm really wondering about! What is it like when someone/being in the astral talks to you?? When it happened the first time did you just stand there with your mouth wide open in amazement? lol Did it scare you? What happened when you spoke to someone? What does your own voice or someone else's sound like in the astral???

Ok I know that is alot of questions but I am very very curious about the whole astral thing. I find it wonderfully fascinating! I hope some of you can answer all of my questions or some of them.

[shekter]

Hi there. I'm new too this forums and the whole idea of projection and whatnot--just started taking it seriously a few weeks ago. But I'll try to answer some of your questions based on the info I've been picking up here and there.  

1) I've never done it. I've heard stories, er, a story about someone on acid that saw Jesus or something, but, no, I've never seen him or anything.

2) From what I've read, you can go back in the past, but it's all on the astral plane. You'd interact with what you found there, and all, but it wouldn't be in the physical world.

3) Dunno. They're in the deepest state of sleep--delta--but that's all I know.

4) This comes from first hand experience, but not with actual projections. When I meditate, or, try to meditate, I'll be "down there" for what seems to be a long time--maybe an hour--, but when I "come up", only a half hour or so will have passed.
But I think it's the same way with projections. And dreams. You might feel like you're there for hours, maybe days, and when you do come home, you'll feel as if you traveled long and far. But in truth, you have been away for a short while, and you were sitting in your place while you wandered.

5) Dunno. I suppose it's possible. And you said you found out about the Island, which is kind of like that--I think.

6) Just hope for the best, I guess.

7) Dunno, haven't heard about any of this before. But I guess you'd want to be careful with who you talk to in case there's a bad entity there pretending to be a good one. Probably get to know whoever you're talking to before you spill the beans.

8 ) I've never been there. The book I'm using... The writer said the Akashic Hall looks how you personally think it'll look. If you think it's going to be a grand library, that's what it'll be. If you think it'll be a moviehouse, that's what it'll be. If you think it's going to be in a little shack on the borderline of the creepy woods behind your house, that's what it'll be.

9) Dunno.

I hope some of my somewhat vague answers were helpful. I'm sure one of the more knowledgable guys here will be able to answer everything.

[vanos]

1. Envoked Jesus? No. And I doubt you will find the Biblical entity Jesus on the Astral plane...
(What does it matter what the color of his skin was anyway?)

2. I do not have any evidence of the possibility of travel to the local past in any sense other than the following:  
You would access some sort of record in an altered state of mind (Hall of records or whatever) You would be able to view these events as they happened, but you would not be able to change or interact with anything in it.  (Could luck accessing something so specific. Ive had no luck in that respect. )


3. Some people (I do not know if that includes them all) in comas are indeed found in the astral plane in various states of lucidity.


4. Time generally, for me, moves slower in astral. Meaning many days can pass in the astral while in the physical only a few seconds have passed. Im sure it can be made to move faster as well - it all depends on your state of mind.


5. With sufficient time and power you can create anything in the astral. Even whole fantasy worlds. For a single mind it is maintaining such creations that can be a problem.


6. Masters and gods. Yes, who knows.


8. I have accessed something that one might call a "Hall of Records". It was in the form of a very advanced computer-like console. The form of access is off course not important.
I had a guide of sorts there to help me. I was looking for info on one thing.. but got shown something else entirely. Still interesting though.


9. Ive had experiences where communication was normal (just like in the physical) and experiences where I communicated telepathically.
Ive also had a strange experience on a world where communication had to be made through a odd organic device that looked like a big seashell.  

[David Warner]

LatinasAreCute,

You might find this of interest.

1. Birth of Christ
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19859&highlight=jesus

2. Time Travel - yes. In various projection experiences

3. People are in their dream world during sleep while out of body.

4. I was able to video record a astral projection. Gave me a idea how long that I was out for and it took to place myself in the trance. The whole experience was roughly around 10 minutes. Five minutes to go under and the other five fighting the vibes, screaming, knocking over material objects and finding some sort of link to communicate from the astral to physical.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19623&highlight=video

5. My mom/dads house is my home in the astral. Its a safe haven that I've always projected from - even if I'm 150 miles away from the physical home.  a lot of my experiences center around my mom/dads house.

6. Every experience shows learning, questions, emotions, negative and positive. I'm sure if you start projecting and come across Jesus you would feel love and the opposite with a negative entity.

7. Not sure what you are saying on this one. Who are you saying is a master "Jesus, Buddha, Monroe, Angel" etc..? I've in time been given help in my projection experiences. Sometimes the help came in when I was in a fearful situation or resisting a positive view of a new world. If you feel something is not right in the astral and who you are talking with leave.

8. Your best bet is to read the authors who've been there - Monroe, Bruce, ledbetter, fox etc.. I am sure there's quite the few in this forum who've made it that far in their experiences. I've not yet to my knowledge but I would tend to think that everything is written past,present, and future.

9. Its called mentally telepathy when you talk. You don't use your mouth to converse. I've tried using my mouth at times to talk and the sound/words come out slow motion like I have a speech problem. No, I wasn't scarred - just took it as second nature.

Hope this helps...

Tvos

[Dagalvyi]

Osiyo!
1. I have had many experiences that involved "Jesus". The very first one was 21 years ago when i started to have obe's. I did not know what they were then. I was very scared and cried out "I do not what to see anything but my God." Jesus then appeared to me and signaled me to get up. As I reached for him I then awoke. Since then I have seen him several times. He has appeared to me in my AP's and OBE's. He has pulled me threw a tunnel 2 times and at the end of it was holding a dove in his palm which he let loose. He looks exactly like what the art pictures display of him. As far as my certainty; I know it was him and I know he is real. It is a power I have never felt before and it is wonderful!

2.I have traveled back to WWII a few times. On all occasions i was a young soldier, not American, as i am now. To travel to a past time at will is very easy. It is a matter of mentally projecting yourself. You will see things of the past and interact with people of that era, but what you are actually seeing is the memories of the souls that lived in that time.

3.That I would not know the answer to. I do however think that our souls do not become trapped inside our bodies during a coma. According to what I have read these people think they were asleep. Sleep for me and others that obe and ap is a life of spiritual freedom.

4.I have had nights that I ap'd all night long. Upon waking it seemed like I was asleep for only moments. Time perception in the astral is so unlike the physical.

5.Of the 21 years I have been flying around in the astral I have very rarely seen the same place twice. I don't think it is impossible, but it would be hard to do since once we enter the ap are imaginations are set free.

[Hans Solo]

Time for a dissenting opinion-

 I would be VERY wary of experiences involving Jesus or GOD in the "Astral" due to the fact that many of the experiences, probably 99.99%, happened in Focus 2 (of Frank's model of consciousness).  If you are new I would read everything by Frank in the Permanent Astral topics and the Astral FAQ's.

Basically, in Focus 2 (or what the mystics used to call the "Astral") what ever you think about becomes reality.  Now ask yourself, why is this?  Well, the mystics used to say "like attracts Like" and that is why if you think of Jesus he appears.  Lets think about this in a more rational way.  What Frank, and many others, have concluded is that you are actually projecting into you own subconscious mind, and naturally whatever you think about becomes reality.  Frank has done EXTENSIVE research into this area and has finally shed some light in this dark area of consciousness.

This idea is slow to gain a foothold due to all the "Flat Earth" OBE'rs out there, but don't fret because Frank is coming out with an Ebook soon that will clarify much of this theory. In the mean time take EVERYTHING you read here with a big grain of salt

Han Solo

[LatinasAreCute]

Wow thanks everyone for taking the time to reply to my questions! Someone asked what difference did it matter what color Jesus skin is and it doesn't matter. What I'm wondering is if the real Jesus had an appearance like is so often potrayed in movies with blue eyes, light skin or if he looked more jewish with darker skin. I'm extremely skeptical of Jesus even being on the astral plane. Hans mentioned that focus 2 theory or whatever and that sounds logical so I will check it out in the faqs he recommended.

Anyone else time travel in the astral? I understand if you went back into time it wouldn't actually be time traveling back in the real physical world but still fascinating nevertheless. I wonder if someone could go back to see Jesus crucified or if they could see who shot JFK.  

Has anyone made good friends with beings/people on the astral plane? If so how do you ever see them again? Just think about them??

Thanks again for your help everyone and I'm busy reading as much as I can on these forums. I feel like I'm studying for a college class with all this info and I know I will be rewarded for doing my homework on this amazing subject.

[Gem]

Sorry hun, i'm afraid I can't read pink on white, it hurts xx

[LatinasAreCute]

It's not violet anymore "hun" so now you can read it dear and perhaps write something more interesting.

[vanos]

I am concerned about this "Frank is god" mentality in some of these posts. This "Wait for Franks book and then ye will see the light" thing.

This "the word Astral is too mystical sounding. Get with the program will you. Its now called XXX"

This "take everything anybody here says with a grain of salt". Except for what Frank says you mean?

This is all a bit worrying to me.

What is most disturbing is how people are shooting down other peoples experiences as if it doesn't matter.  

Havent you learned anything? There is no truth, but the the truth you find yourself.
Oh, that is too mystical sounding again isn't it?  

I do not want to make enemies here, but I am just a bit concerned about this.

[vanos]

~


I've noticed that many of Hans posts sound like that, so get used to it.

heh


Han, you should be the Sales & Marketing Director for the Phasing Module

 I see. I was not refering to anybody specifically.
I can get used to many things, except people who disregard other's experiences out of hand - especially within this highly subjective realm we are moving in here.

Anyway, this is off topic so Ill just leave it right there and move on.

[mactombs]

Yeah, Han's posts sound like it and so do mine. It doesn't have anything to do with shooting people down.

When you've had experiences and then you find a paradigm that better explains and clears up those experiences, you begin relating things to that. It's like going from a 5-letter alphabet to a 10-letter. Better ability to describe things.

I believe, as do others, that Frank's "Focus 2" is an important revelation, and makes clear a lot of what before was vague, or an accept-everything mentality. Frank is probably far from the first to make this discovery, but it is the newest iteration of it in the newest terminology. Perhaps "Maya" is a preferable term (although it doesn't fit into the model very well, but bear with me)?

Absolutely, personal experiences count for a lot. Don't get me wrong here. I am jealous of people having these experiences.

Think of it as differing schools of thought - if this were a psychology board, it would be, "Oh, you Jung folks, preaching his gospel".

The real issue is: How is it possible for Jesus and atheists, Baal, Pan, demons and angels and faeries to manifest in astral experiences? What kind of reality is this? It's not. It's utter chaos if all these experiences are valid objective realities. But yet these experiences do exist. What does that mean?

Frank suggests an answer, puts forth a working model. What do you suggest the reality of all this is?

[LatinasAreCute]

Ahem..could we stay on topic please? I for one haven't the foggiest idea who or what Frank is but I'm learning. I see people talking about F-something or locale something and it's confusing as hell. I just want to have fun whenever or if I ever astral travel and I don't want it to be rocket science! lol! I don't care about that stuff one bit for all those who do it does boil down to one thing..your own personal experience and what it means to you.

[mactombs]

If you don't care about the nature of reality, you just want to have fun and fantasy, then dreaming is sufficient. But, for me, we dream all our lives - I became interested in OBEs because I wanted to become Aware of the wider reality.

You are right, though, we have gone a bit off topic.

So I'll answer one of your questions (the only one I think I can answer satisfactorily). From my journal:

I had a lot of nightmares. In one of these, my dream began shifting toward nightmare, and a part of me realized I didn't have to lose control to this. I became lucid and started shouting, "I'm alseep!" over and over.

For the last 6 months in lucid dreams I have been unable to get out of the dream.

Anyway, in my dream I saw my little sister run past. I ran after her to tell her I was asleep. She ran into a room. I got an idea and decided that I would run through the wall. As I ran toward the wall, I remember thinking as the wall came really close, "This is going to hurt!" But I submerged into the wall. It was the strangest sensation!

Then I was laying on my bed. I knew I wasn't "awake" from my last series of experiences with false awakenings. I was in the RTZ. My bedroom looked exactly as it would right now - with one exception.

There was a thing standing at my bedside where my fan should have been. It was bending at an impossible angle over the top of me. It looked ghostly, not exactly white, but more dim. Those ghosts that you see in Grade School classrooms in October describe its shape pretty well, except it had sleeves where arms should be, and on it's face it had a large black carat ( ^ ). It made a strange rattling sound.

I was paralyzed and terrified. I almost tried yelling at it like before when I heard the ghost woman, but instead I stopped and remembered a post on this forum Gav made. Instead, I became curious and began to observe the thing. It didn't go away.

But pretty quickly the RTZ situation transitioned flawlessly into the waking world, only now my fan was back and I could hear it.

[LatinasAreCute]

Mac, you have no right to presume anything about what kind of astral travel I want. Yes I want to have fun if I ever astral travel and be very lucid and explore whatever it is out there. I am not aware in my dreams nor do I have any kind of control so there is no point to that is there? You can't tell me what's right for me in regard to astral travel. We are all different. I'm offended by your answer.

[Blackstream]

control and awarenes in obes is much like dream control... if you do one, you'll most likely be able to do the other.

Nothertheless, I can see why you'd prefer to have fun in a world that includes real beings as opposed to beings from your own imagination (not to mention that you can probably run into stuff your brain would have never come up with in the astral as opposed to a dream).

[Ben K]

hahaha your name is latinasarecute. hahahaha.

anyway, il put it short and sweet for you- read franks posts and ignore everyone else. really. for your own sake. Major Tom is a good guy too, as with alot of others, but for quickr results, just read read read.

if you listen to all the whacked out people on these boards you will be fighting demons and devils and wearing 'crystals' and chanting prayers to allah.

you dont need any of that crap. just simplify the process, and you will get quick results. THAT is what franks model is all about. he doesnt have anything against the mystics or shamans, he just doesnt want to deal with the holier-than-thou attitude that most of these people possess. 'astral projection' is a tool that everyone should learn to use, not just some mystical dude who thinks hes a wolf or something.

Take it from me- learn how to project into F2oC(your mind) and there you can literally go on to do anything you want. just dont buy into any stupid beliefs- christianity being one of them.

ps- if my post offended anybody, get a life.

[LatinasAreCute]

Nah, I think I will continue to read other people's posts and make up my own mind about who's whacked out or not.

[BillionNamesofGod]

Still not there myself.

Surely it's not in our heads when people have see clear events in the RTZ that have actually happened or are real.  Hence, it is "astral projection" not some mental construct in our minds.

Besides does it matter what it's called.

Personally I prefer "astral" to some Number  f2 or whatever it is !

You don't have to be mystical to appreciate or use the word Astral over a number.  No wonder people are confused, if we called everything in daily like  based on basic letters and numbers life would be very confusing.

Can't we stick to the old cool names - it doesn't mean you are Mystical or anything or into old skool mumbo jumbo.

It's confusing for newbies as it is, why riun a perfectly good set of old skool names?

I mean I like names like chakras, astral even the modern word "obe"
all kinda cool!   Far more inspiring and memorable than  f1, f2,f3 and alt+f4 marlaky. People should really chill.

Think of it as a skin on a winamp we all have our preferences you don't have to be religious to have preferences.

I blame robert monroe he should have given new states of mind new names rather than numbers - heck Frank really running with the number theme.

f2 is better called internal projection=IP (bit like what OBE works, you noe it's short for a longer phrase) or something like that - that way you don't have to look it up, and people can pick it up.   Can we have more words that mean something, then shorten to letters.  Numbers mean nothing to newbies frank!

Now I have to read all monroes books just to see why he started using numbers - certainly got frank inspired to run with it.

ANyone willing to come up wih decent names?  the number still confuse the hell out of me.  I still keep thinking damn, what's 2 mean again?

Better if it was  IAP (Internal Astral Projection) or something like that.

Heck this isn't maths textbook you can't describe OBE Astral stuff as numbers surely!



ok let's  start

AP = Astral Projection
DILD = Dream-Initiated Lucid Dream
FA = False Awakening
IRL = In Real Life
IWL = In Waking Life
LD = Lucid Dream
MILD = Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams
NDE = Near Death Experience
RC = Reality Check
SP = Sleep Paralysis
WILD = Wake-Initiated Lucid Dreams
OBE =
OOBE =
MABA= Mind Awake / Body Asleep

Can any one extend the above to include phasing - ** WITHOUT NUMBERS ** only letters!!!?

PLEASE  !!!!

I'll start with my limited grasp so far,  Is this CORRECT?

Mind Awake Body Asleep = MABA = Focus 10.

This in the new model,  you'd always use MABA where you write Focus 10.

[Ramone]

Mind Awake Body Asleep = FOCUS TEN...

[Ben K]

Nah, I think I will continue to read other people's posts and make up my own mind about who's whacked out or not.

well excrement with a name like "latinasarecute" on an ASTRAL PROJECTION FORUM how whacked out can ya be!

really man, what was the thought process behind that one?

I love this place.

[BillionNamesofGod]

Nah, I think I will continue to read other people's posts and make up my own mind about who's whacked out or not.

well excrement with a name like "latinasarecute" on an ASTRAL PROJECTION FORUM how whacked out can ya be!

really man, what was the thought process behind that one?

I love this place.

Well, I have to disagree.

Latins  are Cute.  Very cute indeed, I honestly can say no other type of lady turns me on as much.  I mean Nelly Furtardo is one shining example....

My idea of heaven would be surrounded by latin women and well kept

So I take it the only person around here who knows what all these numbers mean is Frank!

[Heather B.]

So I take it the only person around here who knows what all these numbers mean is Frank!

The numbers are just symbols, they don't have any meaning in and of themselves.  I think it's far easier to refer to the different focuses of consciousness by numbers rather than to try label them with words.  I think that would get extremely unwieldy!  

And yet I have a very good idea of what each one represents.  I'm not some expert--I just learned by reading the phasing posts on the forums, especially the ones on the Astral FAQ.  It's not that hard to get an idea of what each Focus represents... but expressing them in words is something else.  

Think of it, what if you tried to express complex mathematics in words instead of symbols?  How would you describe "pi," for example?  The Focus numbers are just symbols for much more complex things.  See what I mean?

[David Warner]

Ben K,

well excrement with a name like "latinasarecute" on an ASTRAL PROJECTION FORUM how whacked out can ya be!

just as Ben K - what kinda of excrement with a name is that? Geez, just like everyone elses name on this board.

BillionNamesofGod,

Is your wife latina? Yes, I agree latina's are very cute. Muy Bonita la muijers del mexico y spain.

Tvos

[Heather B.]

Oh really... can we think of nothing better to do than make fun of people's user names?  And while I'm at it, I just have to respond to this:

just dont buy into any stupid beliefs- christianity being one of them.

Well, to me, Christianity is anything but a "stupid belief."  But then, I wouldn't consider myself a typical Christian, or even a typical Catholic.  I think of Christianity as a set of really good ideas and really good morals for Earthly life  When I say Christianity, I don't just mean the Bible, I mean the entire tradition, from the Bible writers to C.S. Lewis to my parish priest to all of my own family and friends.  

For example, one of my favorite stories is of St. Brendan's voyage.  It may not be "true," but its meaning and its significance are--his faith inspired him to embark on a voyage into the rough seas and unknown dangers west of Ireland, at a time when the earth was considered flat and Ireland was one of the farthest known lands.  I like to consider myself as following a little in his footsteps.  In the same way, my faith inspires me to voyage into the unknown--and there's no better way to do so than astral projection.  So, while I'm a Christian, I don't let it interfere with my experiences of the world or the universe.  I believe we are meant to go out, explore, and try to piece together some kind of truth.

So, you can't pass any kind of mass judgment on Christianity, or any other way of living or thinking, for that matter.  We might all be on different paths, but they lead to something common--otherwise we wouldn't all be here, right?