Search for Osama!!! Millions of dollars reward!

[Roger]

You might want to try the free courses from the Farsight Institute.  I think the URL is http://www.farsight.org, if that's not it, I apologize.    Supposedly, they have a fantastic RV record.  I downloaded them all, but haven't worked through them yet (no time), but if you're truly interested, give them a shot.

[Frank]

quote:
>>For the answers you need to read through your post and substitute the word YOU when you talk of questions about why do not others... etc., etc. <<

Frank I don't see your point. I WOULD do all those things, if I had the OBE/RV ability. That's why i'm wondering where all the action is. I mean if i substitute I for all the "theys" in my post, it just confirms what I'm saying because it seems to me any normal person would use their abilities to help out others in cases like those. Trust me if I had the means to find a kidnapped little girl, I'm 100% positive I would do it. Thanks for the post.

Atlas

I'm sorry Atlas, please forgive my seeming to appear rude, with the deepest respect, I regard your statement as just an excuse. If you honestly wanted that ability, and if that desire was truly burning in your heart... you would do it. I know you would. The reason why you don't is because you don't desire it that badly.  

Though what you are saying is entirely valid. In the sense that I firmly believe that some time in the future it *will* be possible. I cannot for the life of me say when. But I just feel it that it will. Slowly but surely, groups will form with the courage and determination to search the Astral and seek the answer. Such an answer will be found, piece by piece, over *many* years of dedicated effort. It will be a truly monumentous task; akin to the discovery of DNA, for example, in the physical world.

Before you is a golden opportunity to be part of it... or you can sit on the sidelines and moan: it's your choice my friend.

Yours,
Frank

"The longest journey is
the journey inwards: Of him
who has chosen his destiny, who
has started upon his quest for
the source of his being"

Dag Hammarskjold







Edited by - Frank on 05 April 2002  12:06:14

[Atlas]

>>I'm sorry Atlas, please forgive my seeming to appear rude, with the deepest respect, I regard your statement as just an excuse. If you honestly wanted that ability, and if that desire was truly burning in your heart... you would do it. I know you would. The reason why you don't is because you don't desire it that badly.

Though what you are saying is entirely valid. In the sense that I firmly believe that some time in the future it *will* be possible. I cannot for the life of me say when. But I just feel it that it will. Slowly but surely, groups will form with the courage and determination to search the Astral and seek the answer. Such an answer will be found, piece by piece, over *many* years of dedicated effort. It will be a truly monumentous task; akin to the discovery of DNA, for example, in the physical world.

Before you is a golden opportunity to be part of it... or you can sit on the sidelines and moan: it's your choice my friend.<<

Well, I am glad that you at least accept the fact that what I'm talking about is a legitimate question and SHOULD be possible

However I disagree that what I said was an "excuse". I'm not offended, but trust me, I would LOVE to have an OBE. I've had a few close calls. But I've been trying to do this for 4 years and I wouldnt have spent that much time on something if I didn't want to do it.

Atlas

[Morphindil]

Here's the thing...say I find Osama, people will not believe me.  Nobody is going to send in the troops or even one man to go look because someone says they found Osama in an out of body experience.  Even if somehow you convince people to look where you say and they find him, it will not blow the lids off the phenomenon.  At most it will end up as a little blurb in some book of incredible facts...maybe next to the accounts of raining frogs that have been reported throughout history.


Morph

[antiloop]

Hi all,

I just read through this long post. Lots of interesting points here.
I would however, also after having had several OBEs myself have to disagree with Roger in that it CAN be as simple as "take me to Bin Laden" and that OBE's are actually in my opinion full of self-delusion.

It IS possible to simply visualize Bin Laden's face while out in OBE and go directly to where he is. This process uses the same principles as Robert describes in his book - Point Shift technique. Although he uses it as an exit technique, once out, you can use it to travel from A to C without having to wander geographically through B.

Unfortunately, it seems this technique requires very acute concentration abilities and I have only succeeded a few times myself (and no it wasn't to see Bin Laden ).

The other part I'd like to comment on is that what Robert states as being reality fluctuations in the real time zone, I would suggest that it is more likely they are a factor of self-delusion - an inward factor, rather than an external one. If it were an external factor, a group of people OBE'ing to the same location would all perceive the same distortions and see the same things - but they don't (according to the various journals I've read of group OBEs). They each see occurrences in the language of their own personal symbolism - which yes, if they all interpret them correctly would paint the same picture - but still, the point here being they don't see the same things and thus the OBE experience I would suggest is highly subject to personal circumstances/thought/energy.

For those of you that have had several OBE's in the real time zone, surely you can confirm that every single time you exited and floated around your room, your room likely didn't look 100% exactly as it did in real life, nor did it look exactly like any other time you OBE'ed.
Maybe once or twice it did, but that was likely the exception rather than the common occurance - at least for beginners.

You might also agree that sometimes the degree of distortion from reality was more acute than other times and my question to you is why is this so ? If, as I suggest this is due to an internal factor of YOU. I would suggest this is perhaps dependant on the amount of energy you exit with + Your ability to not allow your subconscious to form the reality you see while in OBE. (in other words your level of pure concentration and focus).

My point here being that I think it is very easy to be AMAZED at the reality of OBE experiences, but what we have to be careful with is not to equate the experience in the RTZ with that of reality or falling into the trap of accepting our experiences as absolute truth; as these mix parts of reality with symbolism from our subconcious just like in dreams. And these should not be interpreted literally.

So while it is possible to go to Bin Laden directly, unless you had large amounts of energy and pure concentration abilities, chances are your experiences would not necessarily reflect that of the physical reality he is in and therein lie the gaps for science/skeptics to hack through.

From a scientific point of view, FACT is only recognized when multiple experiences are performed, repeated over and over again and the SAME results surface.  Trying to achieve this with OBE's I would suggest is most difficult since each time you exit the experience is rarely the same one - although there are those like nightflier who claim to have had much success in proving to themselves with card-by-the-window experiences or card-in-the-shoe-box experience that this is a reality.

It is only those people who have any chance at opening the eyes of science if they can perform time after time after time without failure. But to go from a card in a shoe box to finding Bin Laden with accuracy is a whole other ball game but certainly not an impossibility.

Cheers,
antiloop

[DjMidgetMan]

A call for astral projectors to search for Osama bin laden!!!! Report your findings to American government!

DjMidgetMan
  "Mind over Matter"