Sick of noise? Check this out!

[SuPeR_DeLuXe]

lol this is funny was just lying in my bed trying to meditate. However as always my upstairs neighbores decide it gymnastics time and the stomping, running up and down the stairs begins. They have no concept of how loud they actually are. This is very distracting for a beginer trying to get to the trance state, and I just want to go up there and screem in there face to "STFU!!!!YA THATS RIGHT STFU".

So I was looking for a solution and I purchased some noise canceling headphone that didnt cancel any noise and then 2 days later my ferret chewed the wire. Why I didnt even bother to think of the cheap and practical solution "Duh Super ear plugs the obvious as mentioned above". This is great I will be taking a little trip to wally world and buying some. LOL thanks for the obvious advice =P

[The AlphaOmega]

Agreed... earplugs have often been of MUCH help.  However, after about an hour or so of wearing them the inside ear can get quite sore.  Consider not putting them in ALL the way if necissary.

[Opiate]

Hmhmhm uhm guys what is the triangle method??

[OverDriven]

I've used earplugs several times and they really do help.  I have the Hear-os musicians earplugs.  They are about $25 for a pair, and are very comfortable.  I originally bought them to cut down on hearing damage from playing with my band.  I'm sure the cheap foam ones work great too.  They seems to isolate you and put you in your own little world since you have pretty much no sensory input.

[Dragen]

Hi Opiate,
I'm glad you asked, because I have an experience to share with you!
First of all, I got my Astral Dynamics and Psychic Self-Defense books yesterday and I was pretty stoked about that.  I have read through the Treatise on OBE's 2 or 3 times now.. but the book elaborates on so much more.. it's definitely worth every penny.

On the subject of earplugs, these things work wonders.  The AlphaOmega, you said it hurts your ears?  I'm not sure what brand you got.. don't buy the plastic/rubber swimmer ear things.  I bought high 32db rated foam ear plugs.  All you do is roll them up and put them in.  I sleep with them in all night!  For the first few minutes, you aren't used to them and feel them in your ear.. but you get used to them real quick.

I really think I stumbled on something here with these and using the Triangle method.  Here is why..

The triangle method consists of you focusing on the ringing in both ears AND concentrating on your 3rd eye.  Just between your eyebrows.  A triangle!  I found, if there is any noise which disrupts your concentration, it really screws up the triangle method.  You need to focus on the ringing in your ears.  What I found, was how easy it was to do this with earplugs in, since it's just about the only thing you CAN hear, besides your pulse.

Last night, when I layed down to meditate.. I didn't even do any energy work.  In fact, I wasn't even sure how long I was going to stay up.. I was reading Astral Dynamics all night, and was planning on going to sleep.  But I thought I would give the Triangle method another shot, because how easy it was to focus on that ringing in my ears.

After 5 seconds of using the Triangle method, I was feeling tingling sensations through-out my body.  These weren't the "vibrations" everybody talks about.. but it must have been energy.  I felt constant shifts of awareness.. sometimes I felt like something was there.  I heard strange noises.. Then, suddenly.. after 3 minutes of focusing with the Triangle method I felt my body moving back and forth.  (Imagine the center of your back balanced on a pole, then your body shifting back and forth on this pole (horizontally, since i'm laying down).. kind of like if you grabbed a stick and twisted your wrist back and forth.. that stick represented me.  Well this increased exponentially!  Within seconds I got to the point where I was turning upside down, left to right, spinning in every direction.. I cannot describe how this felt, except.. imagine yourself on the craziest ride at an amusement park.. but this ride spins you in every direction, (while you're shifting back and forth).. but it doesn't make you sick.. nor does it feel "violent".. but it feels incredibly powerful and FAST.

I had a hell of a time with this.  It was quite fun.. but it also made me a little "nervous" at the same time, because I had only focused with the Triangle method for 3 minutes and here I was spinning out of control!  My heart was racing like crazy, and I attempted to stay calm.. it was anxiety/excitement more than anything.. but I lost some of that "power" and it slowed down to a nice steady spin.  As if I was an airplane propeller now, (instead of that propeller shifting back and forth) I was now rotating in bed nice and smoothly.  Aside from the Vertigo one may feel during all of this, it was pretty relaxing.  I felt like I was just turning and turning in a void of nothing.  It was really quite amazing..

Now, I have either developed a lot of abilities in the last few weeks and this is exceptionally easier for me to do now.. or these earplugs really helped boost the Triangle method.  Perhaps, it's a little of both.  I am simply amazed that I went through some crazy sensations only after 3 minutes of focusing.  This has never happened to me before.. it usually took me 30-45 minutes to get any kind of results before.  To be honest with you, i'm not even sure what all that spinning "meant".  I don't know if I was close to projecting, could have, or was going to.. i'm not exactly sure.  If I would have been able to maintaing focus on the triangle during all that spinning, who knows what would have happened.  But I KNOW what I felt.. it simply cannot be mistaken for something else.  These spinning sensations were blatent, just .. like I was really spinning.  And I love amusement park rides.. so you can imagine how thrilled I was.  (Although, now that i'm older, I don't handle those rides so well anymore lol)

However, I would like to share one last thing with you before I close this long post of mine.  Above, I mentioned the vibrations I felt the night before.. after waking up.  As you can see, I took it as a failure.  But after reading through the "Mind Split" theory in Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics book, I have begin to wonder exactly what occured.  Like I mentioned above, I was "barely" conscious.. enough to control the vibrations.. but I was always "puzzled" and really bothered by the fact that I "blacked out".. during all of this.  It's not like the vibrations slowed down, or I heard a noise, or I got out of bed.. nothing like that happened.  I was IN the process of manipulating those vibrations.. and then there is a CUT-OFF.  Like somebody threw a switch and I have no idea what happened.  I have no memories of what occured.  But after reading Astral Dynamics, here is what I think happened:


I woke up, just enough to fall asleep while being "barely" conscious.  I felt the vibrations come on 5 seconds later.. I thought "Ok calm.. this is kind of neat, let's control this."  so I shot vibrations up and down my spine, through my body.  Somewhere around 5-6 times per second!  At this point, Mind-Split and Mind-Copy occured and I projected my Astral Double...

Physical Memories:
Everything was going great.. strong vibrations, I was controlling them, I wasn't in the least afraid of anything.  Then somebody flipped a switch and from here I have no memories.  It is my belief that since I was barely conscious, I didn't have a lot of energy to keep my physical body awake.. when the mind split occured, I think my physical "blacked out"; basically fell asleep!  

Astral Double Memories:
None.  I spent a great deal of time TRULY asking myself if I would have listened to Robert Bruce's advice and cut the projection short.  As much as I wanted to tell myself, "Oh sure I would!".. I think I found the truth in me.. I mean.. who WOULD want to return (purposely) so fast after projecting for the first time?  I can almost guarentee I probably wondered around the house, perhaps flew around.. either way, when re-entry occured, my physical was unconscious.. and as Robert Bruce describes.. a session being too long, with low amounts of energy, and a physical body being asleep upon re-entry.. that's a bad combination for losing what he calls "shadow memories".  

A common rule in Astral Dynamics, the strongest memory is stored.  That being the physical memory, even the strange "cut-off".  Also, with the combination of my physical self being asleep, with low energy and no concentration, the memories of my astral double were uneventful (apparently, that's what my brain thought, althought I disagree; with my own brain?  lol, this can be confusing) so the shadow memories were lost.. and if I understand correctly, these memories are lost forever.


As crazy as all this sounds, it makes complete perfect sense to me now that I have read and understood this information in Astral Dynamics.  It's the only thing that makes sense.  I can't describe to you how "strange" it felt to suddenly have no memories during an otherwise perfect vibrations session.  This really bothered me.  It really feels like somebody flipped a switch .. turned off my memories..

I have learned a great deal about this subject, and it is my belief that you need to "work with yourself" in order to project successfully.  I bet there are many of you here (Including you Huwie!), where you thought you had an unsuccessful projection, but perhaps you really did and never remembered it.  Existing in 2 or even 3 places at once is not a "common" way of thinking.. but it's the way you have to think when dealing with Astral Dynamics.  Making sure you maintain trance/relaxation in the physical after vibrations is CRUCIAL, so you can have a good integration of shadow memories when your astral double returns.

And if you have no idea what i'm talking about.. buy Astral Dynamics.  And if you already own it, then read it again!  I have to agree with Robert Bruce now, especially since I understand what he is actually talking about.. you need to keep your first projections short.  It is incredibly important.  As much as it pains me to accept this.. I'm gonna have to promise myself to keep it short.

Oh, and avoid Astral Feedback... your brain will explode.

See you guys later!  And good luck!

[mattrox]

astral feedback?? [?]

[Dragen]

Yes, Astral Feedback is described in detail in Astral Dynamics, as well as the Treatise on OBE's.  Astral Feedback is actually pretty easy to avoid, as long as you don't look at yourself.

In fact, Astral Feedback is how Robert Bruce stumbled upon the "Mind Split" theory.  If it weren't for this feedback he accidently discovered, he would have assumed (like everybody else) that we leave our physical body empty during projection.  Which is not the case.

In a nutshell, Astral Feedback is; after a Mind-Split occurs (Your projected Double gets a copy of memories, thought, personality, self-image, and consciousness) there are now two of you...

1.) Your physical body in a trance state or sleep
2.) Your Projected Astral Double

They both co-exist at the same time.  Both have consciousness (in some cases, unless your physical falls asleep)  So in order to create Astral Feedback, your physical body needs to remain in a trance state and acquire "Astral Sight" where you can see around the room, while at the SAME TIME your Projected Double is navigating around the Real Timezone.
Astral Feedback occurs when your physical body (which is in a trance state using Astral Sight) can see your Projected Double, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, your projected double (which is also you) can see your physical body.  Keep in mind, both of you are consciously aware at the same time...

This is when a special "telepathic" connection is made between the two bodies, and all thought, memories, feelings, vision, is happening at the exact same time.  So your physical body is aware it is seeing itself, while your astral body is aware of it being aware it is seeing itself, while your physical body is aware of it being aware of it being ware of it seeing itself... for infinity.  It's like lining up two mirrors and looking through one of them.  Or, pointing a video camera at the TV!

This exposes the human mind to real universal infinity, and Robert Bruce describes it as a horrible nauseus feeling.. and belives if it continues for too long can possibly result in physical brain damage, or other problems.

This telepathic link and infinite feedback loop, is Astral Feedback.

The interesting part about Astral Feedback is how it can be USED to store memories.  If you use it carefully, it can be a tool.  Although Robert Bruce recommends steering clear of it.. the only thing that can break it (of course) is the Projected Astral Double, since it's the only one capable of "moving".  Moving away from the room where you can't be "aware" of each other will break the feedback loop.

Robert Bruce describes the first time he experienced this, when he was physically "aware" of failing a projection attempt.  He felt the vibrations while in a trance state, but he thought he failed.  But he really didn't.. he really was projected in the RTZ.. and his Astral Double knew it, but his physical/etheric body didn't.  But as he came in to view where both bodies could observe each other, that telepathic link made both bodies aware of the situation, and BOTH sets of memories were stored in his physical brain.  As confusing as it all sounds, it makes sense.

This is how he came up with the Mind Split theory, and knowing all of this, you soon realize that your physical body is NEVER empty.  Thus, there is nothing to be afraid of.. you wont be possessed, and you definitely wont get lost.  You co-exist on multiple planes of existence, and you don't realize it!

I suggest reading Astral Dynamics, as he goes in greater detail about this.  Including a very detailed description of his first Astral Feedback experience.  It's very thought provoking, and a damn good theory in my opinion.  I believe it!

[Huwie]

Hehehe, you know Dragen, I was going to say the same thing!  The last time I got close, everything seemed to be going so well that I don't understand why I didn't project, so I'm also beginning to think I did it but didn't follow Bruce's advice.  I have always said, like you, that I would follow his advice and limit my first projection to less than a minute, but when it comes down to it who the hell would?

I recently got hold of Astral Dynamics too, it's an incredible book isn't it?  It's really made me re-evaluate my efforts, and I now intend to go back to basics, as it were, and start off with NEW and all that.

There's one thing I just have to say though.  I don't know if you remember, but in my last account of a projection attempt, I mentioned something suddenly 'flipping' in my head, my vision becoming bright, and a feeling of light-headedness.  Well, did you read about the strobe effect?  Bruce described this phenomenon perfectly and said it's an indication of strong natural clairvoyant ability! []

I really hope he's right.  I couldn't care less about seeing into the future or any of that, all I care about is that clairvoyant ability is a requirement for ascending to the higher astral/mental planes whilst projecting.

By the way Dragen, mate - are you ever on MSN? []

[Dragen]

Hey Huwie man!
Where the hell have you been?  LOL!  Yep, I remember when you were talking about all those supposed "failed" attempts.. that's why I posted about you above.  I had another one of those experiences (as I discussed above) and it just, didn't make sense.  How in the world could something be going so well and then *click* memories gone.

This book really is amazing.  I am a very positive open-minded thinker.  However, I am aligning with this book more than any of the others I have ever read.  While I am a big fan of Robert Monroe's abilities and his incredible stories, I think he and the Monroe Institute approached this with a "just go with it" attitude and explained the process with old concepts.  Robert Bruce's book starts explaining stuff on a completely different, new, and fresh level.. and I think he's on to something here.

If there is such a "truth" to metaphysics, like a "metaphysical fact".. it appears this "mind split" is one of them.  It can individually be proven.  Though this differs from standard science of writing it down on paper and reproducing the results in a lab... it's not too far from the same concept, that each of us can attempt Robert Bruce's experiments and find out for ourselves.  

Natural Clairvoyant ability!  You could develop on this and do some really amazing things!  I have also been attempting some basic telekinetic tricks.. like bending a fork or spoon in to impossible shapes by not using physical strength alone.  There is energy all around us.. there is something to all of this.  Our understanding of the universe isn't as good as we might think!

quote:By the way Dragen, mate - are you ever on MSN?

I was going to ask you the same thing!  I never see you online!  Though, I work fulltime during the day.  But i'm usually on at night, unless you are on the other side of the world?  I had the opportunity to talk with m0d0 a couple times.  He's a friendly guy!

We need to stay in touch.. the Astral Pub (on the moon) has reservations for us!  I even told them to stock a few rounds of beer for the big arrival!

[psychicphish]

Hey gang,

I think you guys are right in regards to Astral Dynamics. I've had my copy for about a year and I finally got around to reading it about a month ago. Once I started I couldn't put it down, Robert Bruce has a lot of theories that I've kinda had floating through my head for a while but never really understood until I got a hold of his book. It also gave me renewed confidence in the possiblity of astral projection. I've been stuck at the same point in my projections (Dragen, you've read my other post) for ten years (since I was fifteen) and never understood what I was doing wrong. None of the other books I've read were helping so I just kinda gave up after a while. But now I'm working with Rob's techniques (which come quite easily to me I've noticed) and I'm hoping I'll achive a full projection soon enough.

And I'm planning on trying that earplug thing too. I don't usually have trouble consentrating but anything that makes it easier is definelty worth trying out.

thanks

[Huwie]

Dragen, yeah, I don't use MSN as much as I'd like to but I usually sign on at least once a day.  I've spoken to m0d0 a few times, he is a nice guy isn't he? []

I'm in the UK and I work nights, so I'm online at weird times.  I have a friend in New York who's usually online at the same times that I am, if that's any indication.

By the way, last Saturday night I dreamt that I projected.  What the hell does that mean?! [|)]

[m0d0]

Hey All,

Wow, excellent reading Dragen. I'm really pleased for you and the progress your making. I'd almost say im jealous [!]..........[]

I've been reading, and meditating, and working on NEW. I don't seem to be making much progress recently. I know they say don't expect to much too soon but after a quick start (Vibrations, REM eye spasms) I seem to have come to an impass.

I think i may try and give the triangle method ago. The ladder technique is good for opening me up, but it doesnt seem to get me out of my body. I'm sure as hell gonna go buy some earplugs though lol.

One things for sure, my motivation and determination remain steadfast. I'm gonna kick this Astral Projection into touch no doubts at all. In fact i'm sure we all will.

Hey Huwie, dude! I gotta find more Ulver. I've been feasting on this one track for a week... It ROCKS THE KAZZBAR!!! Cheers for passing it on to us.

Anyways guys and girls i'm off back to work.

Have a Good Christmas y'all, and get lots of prezzie.. I for one am hoping that some certain AP books will be filling my stocking this year []

hehee!

Cheers,

Mo!

[Dragen]

You can't go wrong with an Astral Dynamics stocking stuffer!

Or better yet, your first Projection on Christmas!

[]

[Huwie]

Ha, I'm gonna be way too drunk to project this xmas (if all goes to plan).

Glad you liked that Ulver song, m0d0 mate.  They have a song called Nowhere/Catastrophe - if you can get hold of that I think you will find the lyrics qute interesting.  In fact, get the whole Perdition City album, it's incredible!

[Dragen]

Hey everybody,
While i'm always one who says inducing an OBE should be completely natural, I have to suggest one item which will greatly help you in your ventures.  It's not salvia, it's not a hyperdimensional resonator, or hemi-sync, sounds, or alcohol.. nothing like that!  But simply..

Ear plugs.

I went to Wally world yesterday (Wal*Mart) and bought some "Hear-o's" or something to that effect.  They are rated for 32db noise and they are the little roll-up foam ear plugs.  The reason I bought them is because when I DO try to simply SLEEP, my wife snores like a monster and it keeps me up.  So naturally, you can imagine how bad this would effect my projecting abilities if I attempted them in the same room at night.  (LOL!  Which I do.)  

I put these in last night and had a spontaneous (almost) OBE.  Not a single sound was distracting me, and the triangle method.. wow.. just wow.  But last night, all I wanted to do was sleep.. so I fell asleep.
I then woke up in the middle of the night, for some weird reason.. and I was just "barely" conscious when I suddenly realized (5 seconds later) that the vibrations were starting.  Thanks to the forums and extensive reading I have done on the subject, I wasn't afraid this time.  So I went with the flow.. and remembered reading about "controlling" these vibrations.

Keep in mind.. I was barely consciously aware of this.

So I somehow controlled these vibrations, as they got stronger.. MAN!  It's amazing.  Your hole body vibrates.. it feels like electricity is shooting down your entire body.. when I started controlling the vibrations, I was shooting them up and down my body at real fast intervals.  Top to bottom, probably 5-6 times a seconds.  And then...

I blacked out.

NOO!!  I don't remember anything past this point!  My guess is, I was barely coherant during this, and when the final "exit" state approached, I didn't have enough focus/energy to go through with it.  I'm assuming I just slipped in to a blank dream.  Not even lucid.  I just blacked out.

Doh!  But hey, the good news is.. these earplugs really seem to do wonders for me.  Hearing the ringing in your ears is very easy.. and you can even go as far as hearing your own pulse.  Try that as a method!  Focus on your pulse instead of your breathing, or both!  With these earplugs in, I feel like i'm really calm and relaxed.  Like i'm in a dead quiet black void of consciousness.  

Give it a try!  I would be interested to see if you guys had the same luck.  I don't believe in coincidences, and I believe these really caused some pretty cool experiences for me, the very first night I put them in!

What do you guys think?