so first rule of AP. you dont talk about ap hahah

[Leary Herring]

Do

[CFTraveler]

So beer in your eyes cures mace?  Or you just drink so much of if that you don't care anymore?

[personalreality]

"Christians" have been taught formality, rigid thinking, discrimination, judgement and fear. It is unlikely an astral projector and a Christian could have a productive dialogue.

perhaps not, if the proper "angle of attack" were considered (by either participant).  i have done so many times in my job.  you just have to find the terminology that they are comfortable with, the language of their culture.  it works well.

[Lexy]

does cocaine make your eyeballs numb?

[Stillwater]

you just have to find the terminology that they are comfortable with, the language of their culture.  it works well.

Yes, this is absolutely essential when having a discussion with people of other faiths and views.

For instance, when speaking with people of the Abrahamic religions, when inevitably asked if I "believe in God", I almost always say yes. Most precisely, my status with respect to a deity is agnosticism, but I believe strongly in a systematic line of ethics and compassionate treatment of other beings, and in metaphysical realities- to most Abrahamic people, the term for this and the method of recognizing it in others is belief in God, since this is how they approach these concepts, but when I say God, to myself I mean the aforementioned ethical and metaphysical concepts, rather than a deity per se. The reason is pretty simple- for many of these folks, you either believe in God and the whole kit-and-kaboodle, or you are an atheist, pure and simple, and if you are an atheist, you have no values in their eyes at all.

Not all of this group think that way, naturally, but a significant number do. I have found this to be especially true of many Muslims; a surefire way to start ill feelings and arguments up is to say you don't believe in God when asked; I try to stress the similarities with them between what they value and I do, and to point out that the differences are generally matters of language and approach, and not concept; the end result is generally they assure me I am a follower of God, and not a lost cause, but probably some kind of heretic as well. Goodtimes. If I wanted to talk about concepts like projection, and non-physical beings, for instance, it is the absolute best approach to start talking about Muhammed's meditations in the cave, and the realm of the Djin Allah created, and the Sufi's travels, since this is the lens they are prepeared to view mysticism through.

And the same for Catholics. Very few of them will like talk of what we practice here- it smacks of devil-play; on the other hand, connect it to the visions of the saints, and their communion with God, and the concept is suddenly far more accessible. Cultural context is everything.

[djed]

Someone who sprays you with mace is not acting like a Christian.
Christ is love.

[alfalfa]

so got drunk couple nights ago, got to talking and what do you know religion comes up. that's all fine and dandy till i open my mouth about obe's and aps, remote viewing ect... and two of the people in the room instantly thought i was insane or being controlled by the devil.. SO i laughed really hard LOL right... I said the devil, i don't believe in a devil, demons, ect.. but i do believe in higher beings and planes and what not. so as i was talking this person pulls a bible out of no were and hits me with it.... WTF what is wrong with people that believe in the bible Jesus and what not.

HAHA not in any part of our convo did i say anything bad about the bible and the christian religion. i was just telling them about some of the benefits of what we do and how that is my type of religion. to end the story with a bang. i got kinda mad and said some hurtfull things about how Christians are evil because they don't accept, they just force there ways on people. bad thing to say i guess the girl pulled out mace and maced me, so in short first rule of AP. we don't talk about AP. Second rule we don't talk about AP. if some one asks why just reply with it will get you hit with a bible and then with mace in the face... got to love people who cant accept things for what they truly are hahaha.

"for what they truly are"? you cant show me evidence to why they are like that can u? and then u go to people and preach? maybe they dont want to belief something some dude tells them in a bar? they have a right to belief whatever they want, from their perspective you are wrong, and you cant accept that because of your ego? you need to control their mind into thinking your right so you get the comfort u seek?

[Xanth]

"for what they truly are"? you cant show me evidence to why they are like that can u? and then u go to people and preach? maybe they dont want to belief something some dude tells them in a bar? they have a right to belief whatever they want, from their perspective you are wrong, and you cant accept that because of your ego? you need to control their mind into thinking your right so you get the comfort u seek?

Might I ask, how that's any different to what you're currently attempting to do here on this forum?

Quite honestly, I can't disagree with your assessment of the8reader's post... but on the flip side of that coin, you're kind of the pot calling the kettle black here.  You're able to see hypocrisy in others, but not in yourself... I find that interesting.

[pondini]

alfalfa, perhaps reading your own words directed back at you will help you to understand how they might sound to the8reader...

you cant show me evidence to why he is like that can u? and then u go to people and preach? maybe he doesn't want to belief something some chick tells him in a bar? he has a right to belief whatever he wants, from his perspective you are wrong, and you cant accept that because of your ego? you need to control his mind into thinking your right so you get the comfort u seek?

do your own words still carry validity in this new context?

edit: i'm not trying to pick on you alfalfa, i scrutinize myself just as stringently. i don't always catch myself when i say, or type, something that might offend others, but i usually do afterwords, lol. then i seek to discover the true motives behind what i said, and change my behavior. for me, it is a first step in controlling my ego.

[alfalfa]

oh man this feels like childhood grudges lol, HE STOLE MY LOLIPOP!

Removed profanity ~Xanth

[d3nd3]

did it touch you alfalfa, because he used the phrase "truly are".. to you truly is a definite thing OR he used it in a context where he is  making it seem like a definite thing ... when really ... its personal and relative to each person "truth" ?

or one can't know what is the truth ?

because no evidence ?
EDIT :: all due respect to OP .. i understand you perfectly , you just slipped up at end , and this is has triggered "observant" aflalfa to correct you, thank you kind sir alfalfa for pointing this heavy mistake to him.

[alfalfa]

no problem, it is for the good of xanth and for science..

[Xanth]

oh man this feels like childhood grudges lol, HE STOLE MY LOLIPOP!
grow up xanth you dushbag

And now you resort to name calling... *sigh*
How sad for you.

If you were being honest, we could has assisted you in learning to expand your mind... but it's clear that you've closed it off completely.
I pity you, however I do wish you nothing but the best in the rest of your life...

[alfalfa]

And now you resort to name calling... *sigh*
How sad for you.

If you were being honest, we could has assisted you in learning to expand your mind... but it's clear that you've closed it off completely.
I pity you, however I do wish you nothing but the best in the rest of your life...

i do not resort to name calling, i resort to emotion
so what is your reasoning behind saying that my mind is closed?
i pity you too, but im not telling you that because it hurts you, here i say it because you dont understand the deepness to theese 3 words
what would you suggest for me to open my mind? really i thought i was open minded but if you think not , i will pay attention to that

[Lexy]

Alfalfa sounds like he has psychological problems. That's sad. Poor guy. 

[Xanth]

Alfalfa sounds like he has psychological problems. That's sad. Poor guy. 

I whole-fully agree.
Very sad indeed. 

OH WELL!

[d3nd3]

If alfalfa really does, I think he is fully able to digest this fact... So , lets be a good community and assist this guy back on the right path, how he should be acting, behaving and using his brain?  Lexy, you could be the first , since your mind has calculated some behavioural patterns and judgements on him, do share, because this is life - changing for alfalfa. I beg you to care , for the sake of alfalfa.( and science )

peace & love
d3nd3
xxx

[NoY]

are you and alfalfa boyfriend and girlfriend ? 



:NoY:

[personalreality]

is it still an insult if you spell it wrong?  lol  

this here is what i mean d3nd3.  you didn't add to the conversation, you tried to call out another member.  granted, lexy made it personal, but your job (as a member who agreed to the AUP when you signed up) is to report such comments to a moderator, not take it into your own hands.  that's where stuff gets out of control.

peace & love
personalreality
xxx

(for science)

[Summerlander]

Cuppa tea, anyone? I can make the best cuppa tea in the world. And then we can discuss some more AP.

[Stillwater]

Looks like it is time for people to stay awhile and listen.

Here, take a seat- no really, take a seat; take a seat!

[Summerlander]

*takes the seat*

Makes some tea for everyone and this is how he makes it:

1 - Put the kettle on and, as you wait for it to boil, warm a ceramic pot by pouring 1/4 of a cup of water in and microwaving it on full power for 1 minute. Don't use metal pots as these interfere with the tea flavour.

2 - Drain the water from the pot and work out its size before bunging the tea in. It's 1 tea bag per cup or a couple per pint. Use tea bags instead of loose tea leaves so that the result will have as less bitter-tasting tannin as possible.

3 - The kettle has just boiled which is perfect timing because, at its hottest, the water will ensure that the brewing of the tea will happen as quickly as possible. This will also prevent the release of bitter chemicals. However, lower temperatures are required if you are using green tea. By the way, never use water that's already been boiled as it contains less dissolved oxygen than fresh tap water. Oxygen speeds up the release of polyethanols from the tea leaves which are the chemicals that give tea its flavour.

4 - Brew the tea for 3 minutes and no longer or this will promote a major release of polyphenolic compounds that will ruin the taste of the tea. Take the tea bags out. Stir the tea and wait for 1-2 minutes before serving unless you want to slurp it or burn your throat. The ideal temperature for tea consumption is 60-65°C.

5 - Add the milk to the cup first. It should be fresh and chilled. If poured first, the milk will cool the oncoming hot tea rather than the other way around which would only render the milk's proteins useless. Get the shortbread and enjoy the best cuppa experience! Here's a tip: tea seems to taste better after an outdoor activity.

Now you can make the best tea too!

Now, here's a question for everyone. What do you think the benefits of the Phase (OOBEs/Astral Projection/Lucid Dreams) are? Let's gather a list of reasons why everyone should do it. And then we can direct newbies here if they have doubts. Even if it's theory or speculation besides facts - just post it. Have your say! This could be fun! SHOOT!

[d3nd3]

For Science !!!

Your account is for YOU only.

You may use your account to post your opinions, your thoughts, and your views within the guidelines stated on this page. You may NOT use your account to post for people who are not members or have had their posting permissions removed. You also may not grant others access to your account. ~Xanth

[CFTraveler]

I don't think everybody should try it, but anyone who's interested in it should, and really, why not?  It's fun, and interesting.

[Firmitas]

It just sounds like those people have a long way to go before they break their cycle. Or they're going to have a ton of fun in Astral Heaven.