Someone please help me out!

[Adrian]

Greetings Quiet_Storm,

Pritchard of mysticweb/gnosticweb claims to be an incarnation of the demon beelzebub - that is his own claim.

I can't go into too many details, but he threatened someone I know and have immense respect for in the Astral, while apparently attacking a particular white organisation with his cohorts. Both himself and his cohorts have apparently been demonised, that is to say made pacts with demons in return for various powers. They also appear to be associated with a very dark and dangerous physically based organisation. These pacts extend beyond more than one lifetime. He was apparently seen with a scar on his Astral face which is the mark of a demon.

It seems possible that the organisation is recruiting with the objective of gaining more victims. They teach conjurations which could easily have negative effects for those that practice them.

While it is very difficult to prove all of this in the physical world, the evidence in the Astral is much clearer, and in view of the potentially enormous risks you would be advised to stay well clear.

Please note that the people voicing these concerns in the Astral Pulse are doing so with the best of intentions, we do not run any courses or offer other things offered by mysticweb/gnosticweb.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[TorosDead]

You can be affected in the astral form.  There are many astral creatures just as there are in the physical world.  Some of them work on the side of evil and don't want you to attain an OBE because if you do so you are able to realize your spiritual self, which is the side of God.  Many will bother you while in the astral body like clinging on to you or trying to frighten you out of the experience.  You're physical body cannot be harmed, but it is bothersome to have these creatures around!

[Quiet_Storm]

what?

so theres nothing to be afraid of. Thank you.

Still though, would you recommend me getting the psychic self defense book? what is it about?

[nordcyk]

Quiet_Storm

I have no idea who MysticWeb.org is but as for being attacked by spirits, I have been once many many years ago.  But that was because I was being stupid and made challange.  Needless to say, I was taught a lesson.  

Today, I have no fear of spirits whatsoever.  Most of them are caught up in their own drama that even if you were standing next to them, they would assume you're just part of their own drama or completely ignore you. But, you can tinkle them off like I did a year a go. And I also realize that even if we astro travel (AT), we are still in the physical world, not the spiritual world (just operating under different set of physical laws).

As for deamons, remember that there are always the opposite. The Ying and Yang effect.  If you fear them, this fear will draw them to you.  If you meet a deamon, you will know what it is in the AT world.  Again no need for fear.

As for protection during your AT, you don't need any.  Because a deamon cannot harm energy you've created.  Can you harm a holographic projection? The only way you could be harm is to attack the source. And even then you can stop those attacks.

This has worked 100% of the time with ghosts/spirits and it should will work well with deamons, never had the need to try.  "In the name of Jehovah, I ask you to leave."  I've tried other statements, incantation, sage buring, etc with marginal success.

As for being psyically attack by physical beings, I was once in Chicago.  I knew what they were trying to do the moment they started.  I also peg every member in the group, at the bar, even though they were not sitting together.  This was confirmed 1/2hour later when one guy started making his rounds.

Sorry for being long but is my two cent worth.
Nordyck

[Quiet_Storm]

Ok, I went to MysticWeb.org and signed up for the 8 week OBE online course. I went to the forums and I saw someone saying that Beelzebub is actually Lucifer, or at least some kind of demon.

Then I came over here and read the thread in the Astral Chat forums about Beelzebub, saying that indeed he IS a demon and that he tried to attack one of the posters.

Attack!?

I thought your Astral body couldnt be harmed?

Demons!? So demons can attack me??

Now I dont think I want to continue to try and project into the Astral anymore. I have the Astral Dynamics book but right now Im only in the NEW Ways section. I am not really scared of demons.... that is if they cannot harm me. Right now I think that demons cannot harm so I think that really there is nothing to be scared of.

But I am asking you fellow projectors, can demons actually harm me? Do you recommend that I get that book Practical psychic self Defense?

Is it necesary to get it?

Sorry, im a little freaked out about the whole demon thing.

I am starting to look at projection through a different perspective now.

Is this the bad that comes with astral projection?

[forsaken]

im a little suspicious to that whole gnosticweb hing too
they say for examlpe that sex is bad -but i read that to awaken the kundalinin you must i don't  know use sexual energy or somehting(?)
they talk about that too but don't think sex i good for you  and is not the way to awaken it (or whatever it's called)

they say belsebub used to be evil but isn't a fallen angel no more so that he is good- don't know about that but

can demons hurt you? don't know , bur once i was in the astral plane and it was dark and a blue creature pinched me- when i woke up
my arm still hurt, there was no mark but it hurt that whole day.

little confused caus i thought they were tha good guys ( gnostic web) don't know what to believe anymore actually..

[Mydral]

what?

so theres nothing to be afraid of. Thank you.

Still though, would you recommend me getting the psychic self defense book? what is it about?

Well yes, but you will still be afraid at some point.
A friend told me once that there was the Grimm Reaper standing beside his physical body while she was watching from the Astral (she acctually had no clue that it was the Astral but she saw her own physical body sleeping on the bed with the Grimm Reaper beside it).... needless to say she returned to her body immidiatly and woke up.
So yes, at a point you will be afraid.... but look at this example. How can something from stories (The Grimm Reaper) exist in the Astral? It is just your mind forming it, there might be some "bad spirit" present which forms itself into what you fear but it shouldn't be able to hurt you, atleast I hope so.... can't say for sure because I sadly never went to the Astral.

[Selski]

im a little suspicious to that whole gnosticweb hing too
they say for examlpe that sex is bad -but i read that to awaken the kundalinin you must i don't  know use sexual energy or somehting(?)
they talk about that too but don't think sex i good for you  and is not the way to awaken it (or whatever it's called)

they say belsebub used to be evil but isn't a fallen angel no more so that he is good- don't know about that but

can demons hurt you? don't know , bur once i was in the astral plane and it was dark and a blue creature pinched me- when i woke up
my arm still hurt, there was no mark but it hurt that whole day.

little confused caus i thought they were tha good guys ( gnostic web) don't know what to believe anymore actually..

Try to follow your own way, your own path, don't listen to anybody else - ANYBODY - (including me  ), trust your own instincts, judgements and feelings.

I also met a blue creature in the astral.  He looked like a person dressed as the devil on his way to a fancy dress party so I laughed at him.  It's not so much who/what you meet, but how you deal with them/it. (IMO.)

Sarah

[gillian]

Wow, I'm interested in hearing more about why the Gnostic Group is malevolent or how they are causing harm to people. 

I did their 9 week astral course which seemed pretty straight forward.  They mainly concentrate on visualization and concentration without getting into an religious overtones too much.  I'm aware that often groups like this bring in more and more information as one gets deeper into the fold, but I can't say here as I haven't done any further courses.  In any case if there are things going on in the astral with them I never experienced it.  Still if people have had problems I'd like to know more as this group seems to have many people going to their courses.  PM me if you don't want to talk publicly.

Regarding Belzeebub I also read I think in the book that he was a devil who realized that he was going down the wrong path and in order to redeem himself went through several lifetimes as a human needing to teach others. 

I've always been dubious about the sexual energy stuff.  I know there are many esoteric schools(Chia is a big one) that say the sexual energy must be transmuted into spiritual energy instead of "wasted" but some practitioner/teachers like Hieu Doan and Michael Winn say that the mind/body can be trained to connect and fuse directly to the spiritual energy and to just walk a middle path of sexuality.  I know which path I choose

[Vvid1012]

Yes!! Follow your own path, make your own mistakes, and meditate upon them

I would say scars do not necessarily denote a demon...scars are more symbolic of a painful/troublesome past--and if that demon/realization rumor is true... it makes sense I suppose. 
I would say look into the being's eyes to see which side they are on.  If you feel darkness and anxiety, simply will yourself to leave (the key is to believe in yourself)  HOwever, I have seen beautiful eyes with such vivid color accompanied with a great sene of happiness...I believe these are the good

I took the classes several years back.  The overall information was basically useless to me, however the constant thinking about astral travel and hearing everone's stories basically kicked myself into one, and from there I learned my own way.  There was/is lots of info about how to live your life...stripping the ego and all that.  The esoteric teachings were very extreme.. like he was to expect everyone to be on his level of mentality...which clearly no one is.

And as for sex.... come on are you trying to make people paranoid!!??  We ARE human are we not??