The thing revealed itself.

[Everlasting]

A couple of years ago i woke with paralasys and some "witch" was digging into my hip with her/his hands. I have had obe's between now and then but haven't noticed any real problem except some subtle weird feeling in my hip area. Anyway I had a obe recently and something moved violently at my hip, I reached and grabbed the thing, it was a small black "thing" can't really explain what the bonk it was.

I went to the bathroom to flush it down in the sink and it turned into a black sticky slime that was really hard to get off my hands.

Weird things are going on in the world.

 

[interception]

Weird things are going on in /your mind/



Best of luck to you Everlasting.

 

[Xanth]

A couple of years ago i woke with paralasys and some "witch" was digging into my hip with her/his hands. I have had obe's between now and then but haven't noticed any real problem except some subtle weird feeling in my hip area. Anyway I had a obe recently and something moved violently at my hip, I reached and grabbed the thing, it was a small black "thing" can't really explain what the bonk it was.

I went to the bathroom to flush it down in the sink and it turned into a black sticky slime that was really hard to get off my hands.

I'm with Interception on this one.
You've got some fears to deal with... and a mind that seems to be running rampant.

Weird things are going on in the world.

No no, understand, this has nothing to do with the outside world.
This has everything to do with your own mental state and associated fears.

They are just things that need overcoming if you're to have pleasant astral projections. 

[Naykid]

What if the witch was trying to heal something in your hip but you perceived her/it as doing you harm?

[Alex-Anderson]

Several weeks back I had an OBE when I fell asleep in my arm chair in our lounge (living room). Well in the OBE I walked into our kitchen and then walked back into the lounge to look at myself sleeping in the chair (was odd as I viewed myself as the OBE'er walking and not as myself), anyway for some reason something suddenly jumped me from behind (at this point I was myself and not viewing from another vantage point).
 
It was odd as it literally grabbed me with a lot of force and initially I struggled but eventually I managed to grab this dark entity and somehow contain it into small ball and threw it in our cupboard beneath the stairs – I then went about with my OBE like I was emptying the trash or something.
 
Usually in my OBE's I have learned to control my senses to avoid creating fear and often my OBE's are pleasant. But in this instance I was analysing myself in the chair on my return to the room and the attack took me by surprise, I wasn't even thinking negative things.
 
I have often found negative attacks will happen when my guard is down (such as engrossed in something and forgetting where I am or what I am doing), or the negative encounter will be created if I allow myself to think negative things.
 
So I'm still in two minds about the whole the negative vs positive approach during my OBE's – the main thing is the experiences do not impact me in the real world, and over the years my confidence level has grown no longer to fear such attacks, so curious why every so often they pop up to scare me unprovoked.

[AlanRK]

Don't listen to those who think astral projection is purely in the mind (it just shows how little their own understanding is of this topic). If you feel it happened, then it happened. What it was that was occuring, though, is probably not going to be known to you for some time, so try to avoid making conclusions based on shaky assumptions.

[Alex-Anderson]

Don't listen to those who think astral projection is purely in the mind (it just shows how little their own understanding is of this topic)

- what do you mean by purely in the mind - such as what you cannot influence (postive or negative) the environment?

[AlanRK]

- what do you mean by purely in the mind - such as what you cannot influence (postive or negative) the environment?

I'm referring to the pattern of people insisting that most astral experiences are entirely self-created through the subconscious. I explained my viewpoint on this in this thread.

[Taoistguy]

It's not in this thread. Where is it?

[Alex-Anderson]

It's not in this thread. Where is it?

It's in the response to Xanths comments - if you follow the thread.

[Taoistguy]

Oh yes. Don't see much explaining going on thouigh.

[Xanth]

Oh yes. Don't see much explaining going on thouigh.

I explained! 

[Greytraveller]

Greetings all and Happy Thanksgiving.

AlanRK your Quote

Don't listen to those who think astral projection is purely in the mind (it just shows how little their own understanding is of this topic). If you feel it happened, then it happened. What it was that was occuring, though, is probably not going to be known to you for some time, so try to avoid making conclusions based on shaky assumptions.

Excellant Post ! I totally agree. Sometimes negative encounters take place on the astral/ethereal plane, just like they sometimes take place in the physical world. Everything is Not all love and light. The extensive literature of folk lore, myth and religion as well as hundreds of OBE reports all mention encounters with negative and/or violent astral beings. For anyone to dismiss ALL of these reports as simply figments of an individual's trouble mind is indeed quite arrogant. And, oh yes, I do speak from personal experience as well.

Regards 
Grey

[Everlasting]

What if the witch was trying to heal something in your hip but you perceived her/it as doing you harm?

I didnt ask for healing, this was a suprise attack. I have had 3 similar attacks in the sleepstate before, these bastards are stealthy and they're searching for weak spots. 

[Naykid]

I didnt ask for healing, this was a suprise attack. I have had 3 similar attacks in the sleepstate before, these bastards are stealthy and they're searching for weak spots. 

It's an attack now?  I didn't realize this thing had hurt you.  I was merely trying to get you to see it from a different perspective. Sorry.

I had a dream where an alien being wanted blood from me and I reached out my arm for them to take a sample, they pushed my arm down and stuck the needle in my stomach, I woke up and my stomach hurt for hours later..nothing major, like I'd done some sit ups.  To this day I still would not call what happened to me an attack.  Heck, I have no idea what it was, but I'm not any different from it. 

[Xanth]

I didnt ask for healing, this was a suprise attack. I have had 3 similar attacks in the sleepstate before, these bastards are stealthy and they're searching for weak spots.  

As Nay pointed out, it's really all in perspective.

You could have three people experience the same thing... and get three completely different perspectives on it.

I'm not suggesting exactly what this was... but a fresh perspective from the rest of us in the form of other opinions might be a good thing to "reflect upon".

We also don't need to 'ask' for things... sometimes things are just given to us regardless of our desire for them.  

In any case, it's food for thought. 

[Taoistguy]

I explained! 

I didn't mean you.

[Everlasting]

It's an attack now? 

sorry i misunderstood, uhh well the attack happened 2 or more years ago, this infiltrated trojanhorse thing, all it  did was to cause some creeping sensation sometimes and when I had fullbody vibrations i felt a different sensation on my hip compared to the rest of the body, like a vibration distorsion or something.

[Naykid]

sorry i misunderstood, uhh well the attack happened 2 or more years ago, this infiltrated trojanhorse thing, all it  did was to cause some creeping sensation sometimes and when I had fullbody vibrations i felt a different sensation on my hip compared to the rest of the body, like a vibration distorsion or something.

Perhaps the sensations on your hip is a warning that something is wrong around that area?  I don't know, I'm just putting it out there. 

[AlanRK]

Or maybe something's right? 

Heh, but no seriously, if you haven't already done this, check around that hip area when you're in the astral. Remove ANYTHING, no matter how innocent or mundane it may seem.

[Xanth]

Or maybe something's right? 

Heh, but no seriously, if you haven't already done this, check around that hip area when you're in the astral. Remove ANYTHING, no matter how innocent or mundane it may seem.

Not even that... I'd take a jaunt over to the doctor and get them to look at it.
You could have something seriously wrong, and that was your subconscious' best way to alert you to the problem.

[TofuAttack]

xanth, i don't think it's right of you to force your own beliefs onto other people, if they choose to believe it was a real experience then let them please because what you are doing now is similar to what religion does to people.

i read a lot of your posts and just because you haven't had any negative experiences doesn't neccessarily mean it's generated from the subconcious, i don't understand why negative entities can't exist and influence us because there are bad people in this world. so it makes sense for there to be bad entities 'out there' too.

[Xanth]

xanth, i don't think it's right of you to force your own beliefs onto other people, if they choose to believe it was a real experience then let them please because what you are doing now is similar to what religion does to people.

You are right, forcing your beliefs on people IS wrong... hence why I do not do it.  Nor have I ever.

Although, what you're confusing here is me offering up my opinions in a confident manner.  Not FORCING people to believe what I believe... I can't force anyone to do anything.  You either read my posts and agree with me and perhaps take that into your own belief system... or you don't.  There's no forcing here.  This is something I figured out not too long ago myself.

i read a lot of your posts and just because you haven't had any negative experiences doesn't neccessarily mean it's generated from the subconcious, i don't understand why negative entities can't exist and influence us because there are bad people in this world. so it makes sense for there to be bad entities 'out there' too.

You're right, that IS a possibility.  And it's one I do entertain... not fully, but I do entertain it.

ALTHOUGH, my direct experience dictates otherwise.  So what exactly am I supposed to believe?  That which I've never experienced throughout my entire life... or that which others tell me is true because they experience it?  Sorry, but I'm gonna go with *my* direct experiences.
Just like, sometimes, others will go with *their* direct experiences regardless of what I say (See?  Forcing can't happen).  I still have to offer up my opinion, because they asked for opinions.

[AlanRK]

The problem being that while drawing conclusions from your experiences is a good thing, you are drawing this particular one without applying much logic to it. And also whilst being confident about your opinions is fine, you should rethink being confident about this one because it's obviously not based in much logic. How do you explain:

Several centuries worth of information on the astral indicate heavily the existence of negative entities
Many experiences writers about the astral will mention them at some point
A ton of people, both new and experienced, have met negative entities
The post above brings the valid point that there are plenty of negative entities in our world, so what possible leap of logic could make you conclude that they don't exist in the astral? And if they don't, then could either of us simply decide to be mean and go into the astral and cause trouble for people? That would make us the "first" negative entities. Do you think that's possible? Or do you also think that this world is totally not negative in the least that it's just impossible for anyone negative to exist here or there?

There is more than enough evidence to suggest their existence, which is why your "I haven't met them therefore they aren't real" conclusion is very flawed. While you are not expected to blindly accept their existence without having first experienced it, it is wholly illogical and overconfident (arrogant) to think that your lack of experience of them contradicts and supercedes the countless people who have direct experience of them.

[Xanth]

Well AlanRK, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree then. 

If you read my many past posts on the subject, I very clearly have a logical reason for my beliefs.
I'm sorry, but I simply don't believe that these "entities" exist outside the astral as anything more than thought-forms.