Thought sensitive environments.

[Sampson]

Hi All,
Have any of you noticed how some thought sensitive environments such as those experienced in astral projections, dreams, lucid dreams etc can occasionally appear malformed, incomplete or half created?

A few personal examples have been walls that appear like curtains, backdrops that have a colourful hazy marbled appearance and objects that appear incomplete.

I have also experienced this with characters in such experiences too, their faces occasionally appear to be deformed or half created. Although these characters are slightly disturbing to look at I know that this is not an effect that is intended to scare or frighten but more of an anomaly with the environment or perhaps with my way of perceiving it.

I have often had conversations with these characters, the characters can be people that I am familiar with or complete strangers, they may look quite distorted but it is their underlying vibe that gives me the clue to who they are, they are quite friendly and continue to perform their part as if nothing were wrong with them.

I had a lucid dream three days ago where I was clearly looking at the face of a close family member. She was sat in front of a window and her face was bathed in sunlight. I was sitting not too far from her closely looking at her face, I could see that she had quite a large hole about the size of a large coin in the left side of her nostril. I first thought that she had some kind of strange piercing. On closer inspection I could see through the hole inside her head which had the appearance of the inside of a hollow pastel pink sea shell.

The experience left me feeling a little queasy but I knew that no harm was intended by this display. On other occasions I've also experienced characters that stop dead in their tracks and stare straight at me, it's as if everything in the whole scene is on pause, it's quite unnerving and unsettling.

I've also found that information can become distorted too, in a similar way where the true meaning or vibe is lying underneath the surface of the distorted one. Below I give a shortened version of such an example that occurred in a lucid dream that I had two days ago:

"...I was lying on a bed with a girlfriend, we were cuddling and she said to me that she wanted to make love, but she insisted that before we do so I put on some music. The woman asked me to play some Joan Crawford, something didn't seem right when she said that and I knew that she had made a mistake in her choice of name, but I actually new what she had wanted to say. What she really wanted to say was that she wanted to listen to some music by Joni Mitchel. I reached down by the side of the bed and picked up a CD from out of an untidy pile on the floor, it had a grey cover and a profile drawing of Joni Mitchel's face..."

Two things struck me as being odd about this experience. One, up to now I have never had any interest at all in or heard intentionally or knowingly any of Joni Mitchel's music before. And two, I new what the woman I was lying with meant, even though she got the singers name wrong.

I've been thinking about this for a bit now and concerning environments have so far put it down to a lack of concentration or focus on my part and most probably to over tiredness and fatigue as well. But I can't help thinking that where other characters are involved there is perhaps another reason? Perhaps it is an attempt to portray the malleability of the environment?

I'd be interested to hear from other people who have had similar experiences and their ideas on why such anomalies occur.

Many thanks

S

[Leo Volont]

You need to crack down on your 'Dream Writers'.  I once had a dream where I saw a large busy Office... must have been about 30 people -- it looked like a News Paper Office from an old Forties Movie -- the men were all wearing those hats that men used to wear... and cigerette smoke hung in the air.  But busy busy busy.  The Office was busy.  Then something told me that every important dream takes 'work'... maybe two or three weeks of work.

Sounds to me like your Office has been downsized.  

It could be a complication of going Lucid too often... it may force dreams out before they are 'finished', 'polished', edited and in the Final Cut.

I read of a Lucid Dream episode in one of the common books on Lucid Dreams and the dreamer told of trying to force control over the Dream and getting an incomplete cartoon of what was intended to be a Real Scene.  Apparently, as you suppose, Mental Work cannot be accomplished instantaneously.  Perhaps our Dream Mind may have a library of commonly used scenes, characters, and symbols; but when asked for something entirely new, and in a hurry, it is likely to come out roughshod.

[Sampson]

Hi Leo,
Thanks for your reply and comments, I like your analogy of the dream office and dream writers it's an interesting idea, but in my case the experiences seem to be too spontaneous and detached from my own train of thought to have been pre-prepared and edited as if they were a story.

I think now looking over the past months experiences I would put a lot of the unformed environment down to tiredness which in turn effects my concentration, focus and sensual perceptions.

On a different note I would say the break down of some objects that I observe closely is similar to (it's not an ideal comparison) the same way that a photographic image in a newspaper breaks down into dots and other forms the closer one brings the image to their eyes.

Cheers

S

[pmlonline]

Dear Sampson,

According to what I've learned, I see two likely possibilities.

1. That you were out of body but for the most part the experience was created in your Astral eye.
2. The information that reached your physical body while out of body was warped.

This is usually the case.  Until a person gets a lot of experience AND develops their Etheric and Desire / Astral body they will *usually* have difficulty syncing into any collectively created zone out of body, including the Etheric plane (which is the higher part of the Physical plane), and correctly downloading the information into the physical memories.

I do not wish discourage anyone because with effort and time you can become a skilled out of body traveler.  I'll even goes as far as to say that you could do just about anything as long as you do not break any laws, unless you want to be a law breaker.  For example, the Angelic kingdom and your personal teachers and your Higher Self may allow you to even cause an extreme burst of light on or near a planet such as Mercury and then you would wake up physically and watch Mercury on a telescope.  In 3.2 minutes later you would see that burst of light.  

Love & Peace,
Paul

[Sampson]

Hi pmlonline,
Thanks for your reply, I found what you said about the astral eye possibility interesting, I find the whole topic of perceiving in this way very fascinating.

The next time I become lucid again I'm going to try and observe an object for a little longer than I previously have to record what happens in greater detail.

Cheers

S

[pmlonline]

That's a good approach.  Analyze, Practice, and Will.  I wish you lot of light on your good journey Sampson.

Paul