Thoughts on the astral plane

[Fableflame]

Can thoughts on the astral plane affect the physical realm?
If I'm projecting, can I focus on a pencil laying on my desk and make it roll?
I would think that things such as telekinisis, pyrokinesis, etc. would become easier when in the astral realm.
Has anybody ever tried this?

[dbmathis]

Can thoughts on the astral plane affect the physical realm?

Did mean to say "Can thoughts on the astral plane move physical objects"? I think that thoughts effect everything in the universe period, regardless of what plane the thought originates from.

The thing about the astral plane is that it's multidimensional which means that there are infinite numbers of realities taking up that same space that you are sitting in right now. By changing your vibrational rate you can move from one dimension to the next though phase shifting. Think of it as changing the station on your radio.

The dimension closest to the physical world, even though it looks like the physical world, is not the same place. It's a totally different plane of existence. I'm assuming that if you wanted to move an object in the physical world you would need to have perfect control and be able to slow down your vibrational rate enough to phase partially into the physical plane.

There are some great resources available that go into much detail about this subject. Just go on amazon.com and type astral projection. I have mentioned Buhlman and Monroe both before because they are fantastic. These two Authors have studied the astral worlds for 70 years collectively and have a lot to offer..

[Fableflame]

Wish I had the money for them.
Thanks for your reply.
Does that mean that if I project to a friends house for instince, that I may see other people that don't live there in this reality? Would their house even be the same?
Sorry for the noobish questions, but I'm fairly new to astral projection.

[dbmathis]

I don't have enough experience to know that. I just started trying to project a month ago. Unfortunately I have not developed enough control to visit my friend's house.

I'm assuming that you would see other conscious beings that are exploring that particular plane, and then you might see your friend, but there might be subtle differences in how he / she would appear on the physical plane.

[Fableflame]

I see.
If I can find a technique that works for me I may see for myself soon.

[dbmathis]

What techniques have you tried so far and what results have you seen?

[Fableflame]

So far I have tried a little bit of visualization.
I've done the visualization of my astral body rising up out of my physical.
And last night I tried the Catapult visualization.
Last night I felt a pressure build up in my head, my left knee kind of started, for lack of a better word, throbbing, and my hands started to tingle. Also, my eyes became very heavy.

[dbmathis]

I have noticed that every technique has one thing in common and that's to keep your focus on a specific "thing" until your physical body shuts down and falls asleep. This is a combination of deep relaxation and focus. I focus on my cubical at work.

Try the following technique for about a week and see what happens.

a) Lay down and become very relaxed though breathing techniques or whatever

b) Start to imagine sections of you body going to sleep one at a time.

c) When you have completed step a and b you direct you focus away from you body. DO NOT think about your body at all. This is where focus comes in.

d) Continue step c until you feel random dream thoughts trying to force their way in. Focus harder when dream tries to take over.

e) Somewhere in step d, if you are successful you physical body will go to sleep and all that will be left is thought. Your sight, hearing and touch will be gone.

f) At this point you will need to start thinking about floating up or something similar without thinking of your body as much as possible, if you are not already in the vibrational state it should start. I like to say, "I am now out of body and have perfect clarity, control and awareness and I am free!".

g) You must stay calm during the vibrations or the process will end and you will wake up.

This is one technique I use. I hope it helps.

Best regards

David

[Fableflame]

I'm not totally sure if that technique will work for me.
I can try it though.
Thanks.

[dbmathis]

Just remember that you have your entire life to learn how. A week here and there is trivial.

[Fableflame]

Good point.
Hopefully, I won't need to try a new one, but how long would you suggest that I try a technique before I move on to a new one?

[dbmathis]

I would say try for 2 weeks to a month on one technique.

[newmethod]

I would say try for 2 weeks to a month on one technique.

When you say "technique" do you actually mean say.... this fortnight/month i will try... visualisation... OK!.. that didn't work.. move to affirmation based projection techniques... OR do you mean that each "technique" is say..."Climbing Rope"... no luck move to "Rise to the ceiling like gas"...no luck ... try using "Roll over, out of bed" technique for a month or so....

I use a similar method to you to project (above)...though don't usually use the binaural beats... Are you finding them helpful??

My most intense vibrations, and to me i suppose, closest projection attempts are when i am hitting a point (for you it would be involved in point (f) above in your method) where my concentration on my astral body is the strongest... In one attempt i even got a little confused as to which "me" i was actually inhabiting at the time... At times i 'thought' i was in my perceived double.. Vibrations were strongest when i was most confused...

To you... is the amount of focus/concentration you have on your double, the amount of confusion about where you are situated, related to the likelihood of projection success?

Thank you,
-Newmethod-

[dbmathis]

When you say "technique" do you actually mean say.... this fortnight/month i will try... visualisation... OK!.. that didn't work.. move to affirmation based projection techniques... OR do you mean that each "technique" is say..."Climbing Rope"... no luck move to "Rise to the ceiling like gas"...no luck ... try using "Roll over, out of bed" technique for a month or so....

I basically try the exact same thing over and over for that two weeks. It may vary slightly, but not enough that i would consider it a new technique. For example there is one technique out there where a person places a mirror in front of them and then over time learns exactly what they look like and begin to imagine that image on the other side of the room until there consciousness transfer to it. I guess I fall somewhere in between what you have described above. I keep the fundamental technique which may be a mix of affirmations and visualizations and it may vary slightly from night to night.

I use a similar method to you to project (above)...though don't usually use the binaural beats... Are you finding them helpful??

The beats help drastically. They seem to force my mind into certain states.

My most intense vibrations, and to me i suppose, closest projection attempts are when i am hitting a point (for you it would be involved in point (f) above in your method) where my concentration on my astral body is the strongest... In one attempt i even got a little confused as to which "me" i was actually inhabiting at the time... At times i 'thought' i was in my perceived double.. Vibrations were strongest when i was most confused...

I try not to think of any body at all when the vibrations start. I stay calm and then just feel myself doing something. For example when you go swimming you can feel your body floating in the water. I don't focus on the body itself but rather that feeling of floating away from my body. With the roll out technique I just roll out, like I would in waking life, no thought of body either.

To you... is the amount of focus/concentration you have on your double, the amount of confusion about where you are situated, related to the likelihood of projection success?

I try very hard each night, several times to project, but my biggest hindrance in successful projecting is the amount and kind of work I have in my day job . I deal with very complex code and huge sets of data and it's hard to focus and concentrate very hard during the day on something like this and then just flip it off like a switch at night. My mind races sometimes and I either fall asleep (lose focus) or I am so tired I can't focus at all.

[Fableflame]

The Binaural Beats actually didn't help me.
I was slightly disappointed, but I did get better results with your technique Dbmathis.

[dbmathis]

Not all beats are created equal, what did you try?

[Fableflame]

I used the Binaural Beats from Unexplained.com. I didn't really expect them to work, but I tried to use them with an open mind. However, they had next to no effect on me.

[dbmathis]

Try Brainsync or Hemi-Sync, I have had good results with both.

[Fableflame]

Try Brainsync or Hemi-Sync, I have had good results with both.

I do not know how to get these

[dbmathis]

Here are two that work for me.

Hemi-Sync Support for Journeys Out of the Body - 6 CDS - $99.00

or

Brainsync - Deep Meditation - 2 Tracks - $8.95

Remember that these tracks don't magically make you have an OBE. They simply synchronize the left and right hemispheres of your brain and put you in the ideal state.

I have been listening to these for over a month now (brainsync for almost two years) and I am only able to pull off about 1 OBE a week.

[CFTraveler]

One thing to note:  I've used bot BWGen and a couple of binaurals you listed by TMI- the JOOB ones and the Super-Sleep and have found that I do get results from them, but not immediately- that is, BWGen have given me mini-OBEs as I listen to them as have SuperSleep (which is not for that, but there you go) and I have projected many times the same day but later after using all of them.

The moral?  BW synchronization works when you're having the 'prescribed input' from both ears, but your initial level of consciousness has something to do with the outcome- if you're relaxed, in a quiet place you'll get more results than in a noisy place or in the middle of an emotional crisis.  So this does play a part on the outcome.
They work, but results may vary 
Sometimes you get very cool things happen, not necessarily what you expect.

[Fableflame]

Here are two that work for me.

Hemi-Sync Support for Journeys Out of the Body - 6 CDS - $99.00

or

Brainsync - Deep Meditation - 2 Tracks - $8.95

Remember that these tracks don't magically make you have an OBE. They simply synchronize the left and right hemispheres of your brain and put you in the ideal state.

I have been listening to these for over a month now (brainsync for almost two years) and I am only able to pull off about 1 OBE a week.

It's a shame I can't afford those 

[dbmathis]

You will also need a decent set of stereo headphones. These beats are only effective with headphones. Make sure to factor that into the cost when considering purchasing them, that is when you have the money.

Why not ask the universe to give you what you need? It works with moderate effort.

[Fableflame]

You will also need a decent set of stereo headphones. These beats are only effective with headphones. Make sure to factor that into the cost when considering purchasing them, that is when you have the money.

Why not ask the universe to give you what you need? It works with moderate effort.

Luckily, I already have some decent headphones.
Ask the universe to get me what I need? How do I go about doing that? And should I be asking for the money to buy the CDs or to help me to project?

[dbmathis]

How do I go about doing that? And should I be asking for the money to buy the CDs or to help me to project?

I just simply think about what I want and ways to get it for a huge percentage of my waking hours and have no doubts in my mind that I will get it. Then within a short period of time I always get what I want.