Time

[Melchior]

How does time work in the astral realm? Could I be out of my body for what seems to be years, and then go back into my body to find it to be a matter of seconds? I've been pondering about this for the past week or so. I wish I could just project so my silly questions would end, lol.

[Fresco]

The 1st plane is called the RTZ, here real time still applies.  As soon as you up the planes normal time doesnt apply anymore. 
1 Hour in astral can only equal 5 min. in the real world

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

 From what I have read the higher up you go in dimensions, the longer it seems your out of your body. But I have never read that it seemed to be years. Also there is a difference in what you can accomplish and what you can conceive as far as time. Does that answer your question?

[CFTraveler]

How does time work in the astral realm? Could I be out of my body for what seems to be years, and then go back into my body to find it to be a matter of seconds? I've been pondering about this for the past week or so. I wish I could just project so my silly questions would end, lol.

In my experience a long time in the astral is less here- kind of like when you meditate and catch yourself having a conversation with 'someone', and notice a lot of information has been shared back and forth in less than a second, and if you choose to shift yourself back to wake, forget the 'meat' of most of it- I would say that you can cram in more experience in very little time.
It's hard go gauge what the 'conversion' would be- I have 'lived' days and days in a few hours, but this may be completely subjective.

[Fresco]

I heard there's Buddhist monks who can stay in astral for weeks at a time, only to have missed 12 hours in our real time.

I cant WAIT to get to that level   

[Xanth]

I heard there's Buddhist monks who can stay in astral for weeks at a time, only to have missed 12 hours in our real time.

I cant WAIT to get to that level   

I find that hard to believe... but then again, we're here discussing the very real phenomenon of LEAVING YOUR BODY.  ROFL
So, meh... LoL

As for the time thing... yes, in the non-physical realms, time would seem to cease to exist.

[Tiny]

Unlike theoretical science, peoples' experience in the other dimensions has actually shown the world that there is indeed time in the other dimensions but it is relative to where one is.

There are realms in which time runs faster and there are realms where time runs slower compared to the material world.
In essence, timelessness is a nice idea but in reality it does not exist, it is always a linear run.

Now it has to be understood that when one "travels" back in time like with the akashic records, he is only visiting energy imprints of events like a manifesto of time itself.

It has to be understood that time is an artificial imposition. In nature everything happens simultaneously but time stretches simultaneousness into segments. In essence time is really a very complex entity.
It is as artificial as the universe itself.


kind regards,

Paul

[personalreality]

There are realms in which time runs faster and there are realms where time runs slower compared to the material world.
In essence, timelessness is a nice idea but in reality it does not exist, it is always a linear run.

Now it has to be understood that when one "travels" back in time like with the akashic records, he is only visiting energy imprints of events like a manifesto of time itself.

It has to be understood that time is an artificial imposition. In nature everything happens simultaneously but time stretches simultaneousness into segments. In essence time is really a very complex entity.
It is as artificial as the universe itself.

I was going to say i disagree when i read that linear run bit, but I don't entirely disagree since reading all of this.

[Xanth]

I disagree only due to Focus 15... the point of no time.
This would, in effect, be the "barrier point" where time ceases to exist.

Both Robert Monroe and Frank describe this Focus.

[Stookie]

There is no time anywhere. All that exists is the present moment. There are elements of consciousness that dictate our perception of time, but it's only in our perception.

[personalreality]

that's sooo new-agey stookie 

[cpt. picard]

not really since when have new agers had anything good to say about time. I agree with stookie, except I think all time exists at once, instead of just the present existing, and it is our perceptions that give time the linear quality, creating the illusion that only the present exists.

[Fresco]

There is no time anywhere. All that exists is the present moment. There are elements of consciousness that dictate our perception of time, but it's only in our perception.

Even Einstein preached this concept.

The past, the present and the future all the same

[CFTraveler]

The way I understand it, time is a measurement.  So there is no thing called 'time', but our perception of changes in spacetime.  So there isn't a thing called time, but we can measure how long it takes for something to change.  The change is there, the 'minute' isn't.

[Xanth]

So, in the non-physical there's no time... and if there's no time, there can be no space either.
If there's no time or space... how do we measure our e-peens?!  AHHHHHHHHHH! 

[CFTraveler]

We mentally project the concept of time into the astral, and have virtual measurements.

Bazinga! 

[Xanth]

Well then!  I'm virtually awesome!!  \o/

[personalreality]

we were kind of talking about this in the chat room today.

well, not time.

we were talking about the "personality/ego self" going with you into the astral.....kind of, it may have been more complicated than that...maybe not.

i described the ego as survival software for the body computer.  it's not necessary to bring it to the astral, but because our primary experience in life is through the ego we do.  We don't know how to fully live without it, so we create it in the astral through belief.

I would think time would be a part of that, if you see time as an "optical illusion" due to our perspective in this reality.

[Psilibus]

For the sake of boredom-
All we have is "now". Time is conceptual only. Consciousness moves in a stream-like fashion. It is as the quantum mechanics wave/particle duality concept. Consciousness is to the "wave" as experience is to the "particle". We display both aspects simultaneously. It is the "observation" of consciousness which allows us to "weigh" experiences. Since multiple experiences cannot exist within a single observation this gives the impression of "time" only after recognition and contemplation have taken place between observations. Vuja de!
I mostly agree with personalreality about the personality/ego idea. Personality is inherent to our own "nature", the "soul". Ego is learned and malleable, biological. Meditation practice will help you see this. By shedding the ego and witnessing the personality. It is the two conflicting which causes much difficulty in the practice of projection.

Someone please argue with me. I love the insights I gain by being wrong.

[personalreality]

I don't really disagree with you Psilibus, but I'll share my perspective on time to take your idea into a little more depth.

I think that every individual moment that we "experience" by observing consciousness is in effect a death and rebirth.  We are constantly and consistently dying.  Each moment we are reborn, but from a slightly different perspective which accounts for perceived change.  It's like our conscious awareness of the moment focuses on the experience of the moment and then withdrawals in a form of transcendence/death.  It is then resurrected in the next moment by reengaging it's focus of awareness back into our physical body, by way of the human energy system (chakras, etc).  But the scale and position of the next focus is different from the last focus of awareness.  What this creates is the illusion of new experiences collected and added to the whole of one's experiences, or time.  But in truth, all our new knowledge gained through "cause and effect" experience already exists simultaneously.  We already know everything, we already are everything.  We are what people like to call "god", we are omniscient, omnipresent, omni-whatever.  For some reason (which is unknown to me) we choose to view ourselves from limited perspectives.

[Psilibus]

Personalreality -
Yes. If you read any of my other blathering posts you will see I agree completely with what you just said. I was just trying to keep the focus on "time". A long time ago I meditated on the idea of the ourobouros. The whole God and time and us and everything made me say "Aha!".

Isn't this fun?

[personalreality]

I have an aztec ouroborus tattoo on my arm.

[Psilibus]

ROFLOL,
Personalreality,
That is f'n cool. sorry but I'm a tat fan and that is outstanding. So I take it you understand where I'm coming from. I have a tat design for a ouroborous over a Celtic cross with a rose that I am getting this year. So cool. LOL...

[personalreality]

Now I have to come up with something that will be cohesive enough aesthetically with the ouroborous  to fill up my lower arm. 

I've had 3 years to work it out, but apparently I'm lazy.

[jub jub]

not really since when have new agers had anything good to say about time. I agree with stookie, except I think all time exists at once, instead of just the present existing, and it is our perceptions that give time the linear quality, creating the illusion that only the present exists.

This is what I believe as well. Everything that has ever been and ever will be is occurring simultaneously. We're the ones that are moving and time stands still.