Hello guys, I'm wondering how many of you have experienced this phenomenon of feeling like you are in the non-physical for hours, weeks, months and beyond while you were projecting for a regular time. If you did, does this happen often to you? Do you feel like you can induce the experience? What do you think it is all about?
Of course you can induce it. Just go to the Grand Clocks. You can take one of the smaller clocks and adjust the time. You can make one second feel like a month.
Ok AAAAA thanks for letting me know. Do you care to elaborate a bit on the nature of these "Grand Clocks"? I take it you're used to working them and prolonging your experience that way?
Quote from: Micael on May 23, 2014, 20:14:22
Ok AAAAA thanks for letting me know. Do you care to elaborate a bit on the nature of these "Grand Clocks"? I take it you're used to working them and prolonging your experience that way?
Yeah. For some reason, the Grand Clocks is one of those places that's "hidden"... but not really. You literally should just be able to "will" yourself there. The skies might look different, but you'll know you're at the Grand Clocks when you get there. Despite how the sky looks, there's always one giant clock in the middle of this place, accompanied by many, many smaller clocks surrounding it. You can take one of the smaller clocks with you, and when you leave the astral, the smaller clock will always find its way back to where ever you got it from.
Quote from: Micael on May 23, 2014, 13:50:50
Hello guys, I'm wondering how many of you have experienced this phenomenon of feeling like you are in the non-physical for hours, weeks, months and beyond while you were projecting for a regular time. If you did, does this happen often to you? Do you feel like you can induce the experience? What do you think it is all about?
Something I'm slowly starting to figure out is that the concept we hold as "time" is something that is outside the scope of a "consciousness".
I'll explain.
As a consciousness, you can only ever directly experience "NOW" (the very moment you're experiencing). You can't directly experience anything other than "NOW". Does that make sense?
You can only experience the past in terms of a "memory", this even includes while projecting. You can experience the past, but you can't change anything objectively. The future is the same.
This means the "present" is the only thing which exists. The past and future don't exist.
This also means that "time" isn't a property that consciousness has. "Time" is only in relation to the reality which a consciousness is experiencing. Does this also make sense?
So the concept of having an experience where you "feel" that much more time has passed is probably quite correct. That time HAS passed for your consciousness while experiencing that particular reality.
I've experienced hours in another reality which has only been a few minutes in this reality.
This also brings up another thought in me... that all realities we experience all have their own rule sets. This explains why in some experiences you might have trouble flying, when in another experience it's super easy. The reality you're experiencing might not support flying all that much. Just thinking out loud here now. :)
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 23, 2014, 20:27:54
Yeah. For some reason, the Grand Clocks is one of those places that's "hidden"... but not really. You literally should just be able to "will" yourself there. The skies might look different, but you'll know you're at the Grand Clocks when you get there. Despite how the sky looks, there's always one giant clock in the middle of this place, accompanied by many, many smaller clocks surrounding it. You can take one of the smaller clocks with you, and when you leave the astral, the smaller clock will always find its way back to where ever you got it from.
Interesting. So these clocks work as some sort of astral technology or magic artifact. Do they work with time or time perception? What do you think in terms of your experience? And also where do they fit in a big picture of reality and what is their most fundamental purpose or blueprint? In another words what else can you tell us about your discovery? :-)
Quote from: Xanth on May 23, 2014, 20:36:42
Something I'm slowly starting to figure out is that the concept we hold as "time" is something that is outside the scope of a "consciousness".
I'll explain.
As a consciousness, you can only ever directly experience "NOW" (the very moment you're experiencing). You can't directly experience anything other than "NOW". Does that make sense?
You can only experience the past in terms of a "memory", this even includes while projecting. You can experience the past, but you can't change anything objectively. The future is the same.
This means the "present" is the only thing which exists. The past and future don't exist.
This also means that "time" isn't a property that consciousness has. "Time" is only in relation to the reality which a consciousness is experiencing. Does this also make sense?
So the concept of having an experience where you "feel" that much more time has passed is probably quite correct. That time HAS passed for your consciousness while experiencing that particular reality.
I've experienced hours in another reality which has only been a few minutes in this reality.
This also brings up another thought in me... that all realities we experience all have their own rule sets. This explains why in some experiences you might have trouble flying, when in another experience it's super easy. The reality you're experiencing might not support flying all that much. Just thinking out loud here now. :)
The idea of the only time that ever existed being NOW is very familiar and resonates very true to me. It is in fact one of the core teachings of the Advaita (non-duality) tradition and other schools of thought, Eckhart Tolle is IMO a good popular teacher that emphatizes this fact and the way we're conditioned to create a psychological past and future beyond the pratical need for their existence and their fundamental nature. So it's nice you bring that up because I think it definitly relates here. That being said, when talking about our perception and experience do you think that in the more "malleable " or thought responsive non-physical realities not bound by a strict rule-set it is possible to adjust this experience of time by intent or any other means like some sort of technology that AAAAA talks about?
When I say 'perception' or 'experience' I don't mean it just in the sense that we get the feeling we've been out there long but also being able to recollect experiences consistent with the increased period of perceived time spent there.
Or perhaps this is something that is not possible to manage and is a phenomenon specific to a given reality or experience consciousness might have occasionaly but can't induce?
Please do let me know if I get too confusing, I'm very passionate and curious about this subject so it's quite easy to get carried away. :-)
Years ago me and a friend who lived far apart and talked through Internet left out of body and met eachother 500 or so miles above Earth, but thats not the only dimensions we could see from there as we did not continue to go outward into space. My friend got stuck at a lower height while I went up a little more to talk to someone who was very familiar to me (probably somone I knew before coming to Earth) but I couldnt remember who or why. They wanted me to go a certain direction to some other planet or form of existence which they pointed toward, but I said I cant until I finish some stuff on Earth and my friend is stuck down there, but I will later, and they agreed to wait there for me as they are time dilated and will experience very little time during my Human life. I went down and continued trying to pull up my friend but couldnt. We went back to our Human bodies and talked through the Internet. I had experienced less than a minute talking to my friend above, while my Human friend said he experienced about 20 minutes during that time we were separated, and he couldn't see anything above, while I could clearly see him stuck below. We figured this was something about him not being skilled enough to reach deeper into whatever dimension I was flying into.
Oh that's extremely interesting Beavis, not only did you validate an experience together with your friend but you also watched what happens when one gets 'stuck' somewhere from a 3rd person view AND had a time dilation event between you and your friend. Thanks for sharing, definitly very neat.
All in all this situation seems to happen to a lot of explorers and we actually know so little about this but I do not see a lot of discussion around the internet about it, wonder why that is.
Is this all we got on the subject guys? C'mon I can't believe it. :)
Lionheart said he had an experience of 33 years ^^
2 times I felt like I was in the dream world for 6 hours, while it lasted only one hourd (or less) IRL.
The second time I was lucid almost all the way through, and I remember being at the end of the dream and saying, well this definitely lasted 6 hours. But when I woke up, it didn't feel like I was there for 6 hours anymore, more like 2 or 3 (while it was one hour IRL).
Quote from: Fusions on May 25, 2014, 11:01:47
Lionheart said he had an experience of 33 years ^^
That's the kind of thing that fires me up, a lot of the people that report such things are actually very trustworthy individuals and nowadays it's certainly more than one or two. You phase for a while and you end up having months or years worth of experience. I'd love to see what Lionheart can tell us about this. Is that information on a thread or something?
Quote from: Fusions on May 25, 2014, 11:01:47
2 times I felt like I was in the dream world for 6 hours, while it lasted only one hourd (or less) IRL.
The second time I was lucid almost all the way through, and I remember being at the end of the dream and saying, well this definitely lasted 6 hours. But when I woke up, it didn't feel like I was there for 6 hours anymore, more like 2 or 3 (while it was one hour IRL).
You also got a taste at some point, and pretty significant if you ask me. Did you notice anything particular about the time you experienced this? Not any particular technique probably but more your state of being, or sleep pattern, your health etc. Or as far as you can tell it just happened?
Quote from: Micael on May 25, 2014, 14:09:41
That's the kind of thing that fires me up, a lot of the people that report such things are actually very trustworthy individuals and nowadays it's certainly more than one or two. You phase for a while and you end up having months or years worth of experience. I'd love to see what Lionheart can tell us about this. Is that information on a thread or something?
You also got a taste at some point, and pretty significant if you ask me. Did you notice anything particular about the time you experienced this? Not any particular technique probably but more your state of being, or sleep pattern, your health etc. Or as far as you can tell it just happened?
I know that feel, Lionheart said he saw the people around him age. I heard this one time more, someguy said he lived a whole life on ayahuasca. Can you link the stories you have? (I lost the ayahuasca one, it was on 420chan, I don't think they store their info)
It just happened, 2 out of 3 times of using galantamine I had some pretty sick realitic lucid dreams, this occasion wasn't one of the times I used it I think.
It was at the middle of the night, like 5 am. Dreams later in the morning(7-11 am) , that are forced kind of, tend to be lucid more often but shorter.
Quote from: Fusions on May 25, 2014, 15:53:15
I know that feel, Lionheart said he saw the people around him age. I heard this one time more, someguy said he lived a whole life on ayahuasca. Can you link the stories you have? (I lost the ayahuasca one, it was on 420chan, I don't think they store their info)
It just happened, 2 out of 3 times of using galantamine I had some pretty sick realitic lucid dreams, this occasion wasn't one of the times I used it I think.
It was at the middle of the night, like 5 am. Dreams later in the morning(7-11 am) , that are forced kind of, tend to be lucid more often but shorter.
Unfortunately I lost track of these links, I found them mostly "here and there". There's the famous Monroe episode where he is said to have a had a 100 year OBE and then, there's some reports from various people around the internet.
I do also find that in my case most of the interesting stuff tends to happen in periods when I'm more relaxed and not stressing so much about it.
I never tried galantamine or any kind of supplement for that matter but I'm thinking about giving melatonin a shot, might go for galantamine instead if it is better. :-)
I once had a dream where I woke up 8 years into my past, and had to go through my whole life again. I only made it to about 4 years, before I finally woke up 12 hours later, annoyed as hell about the whole thing and slightly confused.
Quote from: Ellury on May 25, 2014, 22:38:36
I once had a dream where I woke up 8 years into my past, and had to go through my whole life again. I only made it to about 4 years, before I finally woke up 12 hours later, annoyed as hell about the whole thing and slightly confused.
Oh... what happened to the time you spent sleeping in those 4 years? You experienced the whole thing??
It was kind of like experiencing the physical. You go through days, weeks, months and each time you look back on your past, all you remember are key points or events that stuck out to you. I did a lot of things that I didn't do before. Like clean my room and do chores without being told, doing all my homework and paying attention in class. I just in general put an effort into all the things that I didn't see any point in doing. I made my life better... My relationship in that life with my step dad was completely different. Even though I was still hurt, because i could remember everything that really happened, I did things that would get the best results and keep things from repeating. I can't remember everything that happened during that dream, but XD I remember going to school, getting to hang out with my friends again. The first time meeting them in that life.. thinking, how did I get them to be friends with me again?...
Just the whole experience was pretty frustrating. I woke up and thought I had to redo my entire life, that was something I really didn't want, I'm finally happy with how nice my life has turned out. So I finally get used to the idea after going through those years again and seeing all the work and effort I put into getting along with my step dad, and work into my school grades. I had finally made it to high school... I had been waiting years to finally get to see my boyfriend again. I was contemplating how I was going to tell him I knew the future.. then I woke up.. I just woke up.. and I was like.. so frustrated... I ended up telling my boyfriend about this and he said. "Knowing me, I would have believed you if you told me you knew the future."
What got you feeling so frustrated was maybe the time you felt you wasted? Me personally I'd love the opportunity to re-do a lot of the ways I lived these past 8 years, even if it was to be just a dream. But man re-doing year after year in the physical world, that's a piece of work. :lol:
Your experience is something truly unique, thanks for sharing with us Ellury.
As a kid, I used to wish all the time I could redo my life. I always thought that if I had done things differently or acted different that people would have treated me better, but now that I have got to this point, even with all the problems I may have and how much I have to fight with myself, I know the things that I know because of what I went through, each event in my life has led me here. Of course given the opportunity to redo it all, no way am I going to do it the same, that was hell for me. My biggest fear staring me in the face everyday of my life. That was what was frustrating. Having to be put back in that situation, knowing that if I didn't act perfect, I could easily have be reliving my worse childhood experiences.... I'm still very much affected by what I went through as a kid and still fighting with it... My choices redoing everything could have easily opened up more scars.
I mean I had complete awareness, the only thing that I wasn't aware was the fact that I hadn't been sent back in time and was just asleep. Had I known I was actually sleeping, I'd probably just have done whatever I wanted and never went along with the whole redoing my life scenario.
So as expected such thing did not happen at random but was actually an experience of you reliving a very strong challenge you had to go through in life. In a way it's much easier to make sense of that event this way. I do not know the specifics of why you might have had to relieve that nor would I ask you to share anything you wouldn't share by your own iniciative but all in all you did grow or benifit from the experience right? Reality being what it is, being what many people have discovered it to be... it was probably a learning or healing opportunity. It's hard to imagine a 4 year long regression being an empty event. :-)
I should probably put more thought into why I had it.
Read the guide though
galantaminedreams.com
Quote from: Fusions on May 26, 2014, 10:09:34
Read the guide though
galantaminedreams.com
Since galantamine is much more expensive and I didn't find it in my local market I went for melatonin 1.94mg, it says here it has vitamin b-2 also. I'll be trying it tonight.
Anybody else with insight on time dilation?
Quote from: Micael on May 23, 2014, 21:27:52
When I say 'perception' or 'experience' I don't mean it just in the sense that we get the feeling we've been out there long but also being able to recollect experiences consistent with the increased period of perceived time spent there.
Or perhaps this is something that is not possible to manage and is a phenomenon specific to a given reality or experience consciousness might have occasionally but can't induce?
So, ultimately, what you're looking for is proof that this time thing exists?
Sadly, we can only base this kind of thing off of our "feeling" of the situation. There's no way to get an objective reading on this.
Experience is an entirely unique and personal thing to the consciousness that is actually doing the experiencing. As such, another consciousness can never have your experience. Relaying this kind of "feeling" information can only be done verbally, which leads you to the problems of language. :)
Quote from: Xanth on May 26, 2014, 17:38:00
So, ultimately, what you're looking for is proof that this time thing exists?
Sadly, we can only base this kind of thing off of our "feeling" of the situation. There's no way to get an objective reading on this.
Experience is an entirely unique and personal thing to the consciousness that is actually doing the experiencing. As such, another consciousness can never have your experience. Relaying this kind of "feeling" information can only be done verbally, which leads you to the problems of language. :)
Sometimes I wonder though. Maybe our brains just aren't wired in a way that we can actually "see" time. Like, haven't you heard of those people who have had head injures, or autism, and they see the world like geniuses? I remember reading about some guy who was mugged, and he fell and hit his head. He had a pretty bad concussion, but the next day he took a shower, and instead of water drops falling from the shower head, he saw numbers. If everything is truly made out of data in the form of numbers, I wonder what new questions about "time" will be looked into in the near and/or far future.
I have had this many times in the past when I went to a certain place. Hours would pass as I was rushing around, helping people with a major crisis. Certain behavior protocol had to be followed, as majority of the people around me were royalty. Two or three hours max each visit. At home, the clocks would all say onto a half an hour or so passed.
It was a life changing lesson for me, as the days I would come back to this place and shore up stuff to help the people, my thinking-before-speaking started creeping into my home life. I started being politer than I usually am, without thinking about it.
Quote from: Xanth on May 26, 2014, 17:38:00
So, ultimately, what you're looking for is proof that this time thing exists?
Sadly, we can only base this kind of thing off of our "feeling" of the situation. There's no way to get an objective reading on this.
Experience is an entirely unique and personal thing to the consciousness that is actually doing the experiencing. As such, another consciousness can never have your experience. Relaying this kind of "feeling" information can only be done verbally, which leads you to the problems of language. :)
IF I manage to come across significant data (personal and otherwise) that can provide enough evidence (not proof, proof is yet very difficult in these matters like you said) of the objective experience of this phenomenon I think that would be wonderful. Not just for me of course, I just happen to have great particular interest on the subject, but for all the explorers out there. I've read recently somewhere that dreams are very difficult if not impossible to prove objectively but it would be non-sense to deny them because every single one of us dreams. Likewise it seems that many of us have these experiences, some people even claim consistency yet there's not really a lot of attention on the subject.
Of course if in the process we can share our subjective views and insights into the nature and mechanism of time dilation I can't see how we don't benefit. We're all explorers with no dogmas. :-)
Quote from: raditus on May 26, 2014, 19:45:22
I have had this many times in the past when I went to a certain place. Hours would pass as I was rushing around, helping people with a major crisis. Certain behavior protocol had to be followed, as majority of the people around me were royalty. Two or three hours max each visit. At home, the clocks would all say onto a half an hour or so passed.
It was a life changing lesson for me, as the days I would come back to this place and shore up stuff to help the people, my thinking-before-speaking started creeping into my home life. I started being politer than I usually am, without thinking about it.
I'm not sure if I understand your experience friend. You went to an alternate reality for long periods to help beings perceived as royalty?
Quote from: Micael on May 26, 2014, 20:29:32
IF I manage to come across significant data (personal and otherwise) that can provide enough evidence (not proof, proof is yet very difficult in these matters like you said) of the objective experience of this phenomenon I think that would be wonderful. Not just for me of course, I just happen to have great particular interest on the subject, but for all the explorers out there. I've read recently somewhere that dreams are very difficult if not impossible to prove objectively but it would be non-sense to deny them because every single one of us dreams. Likewise it seems that many of us have these experiences, some people even claim consistency yet there's not really a lot of attention on the subject.
Of course if in the process we can share our subjective views and insights into the nature and mechanism of time dilation I can't see how we don't benefit. We're all explorers with no dogmas. :-)
Well, honestly, there are probably MILLIONS of great experiences found all over the internet to satiate the objectivity of the concept. A good chunk of those experiences can be found on this very forum. :)
So providing "evidence" isn't the issue. Experiencing it directly yourself is why *I* am here... to teach others that they don't have to simply 'believe', but that they too can actually do this for themselves and experience it likewise.
Quote from: Xanth on May 26, 2014, 21:27:25
Well, honestly, there are probably MILLIONS of great experiences found all over the internet to satiate the objectivity of the concept. A good chunk of those experiences can be found on this very forum. :)
So providing "evidence" isn't the issue. Experiencing it directly yourself is why *I* am here... to teach others that they don't have to simply 'believe', but that they too can actually do this for themselves and experience it likewise.
Hum... I confess that even in a general quick search around the internet I didn't find nearly as much reports on this as I would expect when you investigate the subject a bit and discuss with people in a more personal manner, since I didn't find a place to discuss just this one experience and since it's something so huge and yes somewhat singular I thought why not.
I understand if you choose to dedicate yourself only to what's most important, getting people out there experiencing. Personally I don't see that as the only productive direction but definitely let me know if I go a way I shouldn't to on the board, not my intention. :-)
Quote from: Micael on May 26, 2014, 20:29:32
I'm not sure if I understand your experience friend. You went to an alternate reality for long periods to help beings perceived as royalty?
I projected to this one area for two months. This meant I would come back home, but kept going back there pretty much nearly day after day. And yes, there were people in that area whom you couldn't talk to as you pleased, as the area was set up like something from Medieval times. Which was going through a major crisis.
The time thing I was going through was per trip. It seemed and felt like two to three hours, most of which consisted of talks, broaching new ideas, and one attempted peace negotiation. but when I got done projecting for that session, only a half an hour or less passed back home when I got out of the bed I was in.
Quote from: raditus on May 27, 2014, 00:37:02
I projected to this one area for two months. This meant I would come back home, but kept going back there pretty much nearly day after day. And yes, there were people in that area whom you couldn't talk to as you pleased, as the area was set up like something from Medieval times. Which was going through a major crisis.
The time thing I was going through was per trip. It seemed and felt like two to three hours, most of which consisted of talks, broaching new ideas, and one attempted peace negotiation. but when I got done projecting for that session, only a half an hour or less passed back home when I got out of the bed I was in.
Ok got it! So everyday you experienced half an hour dilated to a few hours. You think some of it had to with your awareness and mantaining routines or it was completely natural like clockwork?
You said you learned from the experience, did you manage to finish what you were doing there over that period?
Most of my experiences last hours their time, sometimes days.
This seems quite natural too. The same applies to NP experiences that actually occur in this physical world around a week later.
What are you wanting to know about this?
Quote from: Szaxx on May 27, 2014, 10:40:41
Most of my experiences last hours their time, sometimes days.
This seems quite natural too. The same applies to NP experiences that actually occur in this physical world around a week later.
What are you wanting to know about this?
I see that many people seem to experience hours their time projecting regularly. That by itself is part of what I'm trying to discuss and definitely significant but I'm also trying to know how much this happens in a larger scale of days, weeks, months and even years in the non-physical that more than one or two people report to experience at a time or another. And hopefuly understand it a little better, just like we somehow understand subjective topics like control and awareness in the non-physical.
So have you ever experienced one of those big dilations in time in the non-physical? If not what do you think is the basis of you experiencing consistently more hours phasing while some experienced explorers seem to consistently get perhaps 30m or 40m at the most on average?
Quote from: Micael on May 27, 2014, 08:14:35
Ok got it! So everyday you experienced half an hour dilated to a few hours. You think some of it had to with your awareness and maintaining routines or it was completely natural like clockwork?
You said you learned from the experience, did you manage to finish what you were doing there over that period?
I would a little was based on because of my awareness, but most of it, IMHO, was most likely because I fell into a comfortable routine with what I was doing.
And did I get to finish what I needed to get done? Not really, no. All the smaller details I got clear. Half of the major process I did get done, but there was one big thing that I couldn't finish and I hope someone better than I was eventually able to get over that plateau. But when I say I learned from experience, it was more like a work-as-you-go type thing. I was learning from this as I went along. Back then, the biggest thing I had to learn was not to be so impatient and at least address people with a mediocre of respect.
Quote from: Micael on May 27, 2014, 10:50:41
So have you ever experienced one of those big dilations in time in the non-physical? If not what do you think is the basis of you experiencing consistently more hours phasing while some experienced explorers seem to consistently get perhaps 30m or 40m at the most on average?
In the early days nothing outside of normally percieved time elapsed. As you gain experience time in the NP appears to increase with your learnings.
Most if not all of my experiences today are far longer than a few mins. They seem to last hours and days isn't new at all.
I've not given this a great deal of thought either, just accepted it as part of the art in general.
With a great deal to do in the experience you need this time there or you'll fail in your mission.
Interesting.
Thought I would share the answer I got from Tom Campbell on youtube when I asked him about time dilation:
QuoteEvery VR has its own independent clock, besides that, digital communications (small VR scenarios) can easily be sped up or slowed down.
VR = Virtual Reality
:-)
Quote from: Micael on June 08, 2014, 12:38:18
Thought I would share the answer I got from Tom Campbell on youtube when I asked him about time dilation:
VR = Virtual Reality
:-)
Tom always provides the most logical relies. :)
Yes and for all its worth you know there's always the weight of a lifetime of intense research behind what he shares. This is why I love Tom Campbell, the depth of his experience and the scientific way he goes about measuring reality. He also normally won't answer something just to satisfy the audience so if he actually does answer, you know it's not off the top of his head. :wink: