Thoughts on the astral plane

[Fableflame]

oh ok.
I'm focus impaired so I'm not sure if I could focus on a goal like that all day..
Thanks

[dbmathis]

What type of focus impairment? Feel free to respond to that question in private.

I had severe ADD / ADHD from about second grade through about 10 grade until I made the decision not to be that anymore. I know that ADD / ADHD is a chemical imbalance and I took drugs that helped, but things like this can be eliminated from your life by a decision alone. Granted the decision has to be firm with no doubts in your mind.

Astral Projection itself is very focus oriented and it may be in your best interest to fix the focus issue before trying to induce OBEs.

[Fableflame]

My bad, I don't actually have anything like ADD or ADHD. I just don't do to good a job of putting a thought in my head and keeping it there, my attention just wanders a lot.

[okaykaykayli]

I have severe ADHD and I've had absolutely no problems inducing an OBE. 

[dbmathis]

I have severe ADHD and I've had absolutely no problems inducing an OBE.

Yeah, same here. I have the chemical imbalance, but I just choose to ignore it and therefor I have no symptoms of it.

Fableflame,

I hate to sound like a wore out pair of shoes but the ability to keep your mind from wandering takes time and practice. Make your three goals a) Improved focus b) The money for the beats and c) a successful OBE. These 3 goals compliment each other perfectly.

I have noticed that you do indeed have the ability to focus on one thing and that's OBEs, you have been in the forum for the last 7 days without missing a beat focused solely on having an OBE. You have already begun to improve your focus. Good job!

[Fableflame]

Ok thanks.
I'll start working on those goals.
The only other problem is actually buying those CD's.
There is only one other problem.
I don't have any sort of card that will allow me to buy things over the internet. I could probably mail the money in though, but my father is very close minded, and won't be very open to the idea of CD's to induce AP. He's not very open to the idea of AP period. He's going to question where I'm sending my money, and probably not allow me to buy the CDs.

[CFTraveler]

Go to the Brainwave Generator site and see if they have free downloads.
You don't need brainwave entrainment to project, but if you feel you need them to relax and focus then try holosync or BWGen free downloads- someone has to have free downloads.
Don't consider them as a panacea- consider them useful tools to help with mind taming.

[dbmathis]

I don't have any sort of card that will allow me to buy things over the internet. I could probably mail the money in though, but my father is very close minded, and won't be very open to the idea of CD's to induce AP. He's not very open to the idea of AP period. He's going to question where I'm sending my money, and probably not allow me to buy the CDs.

I figured this might be the issue . My Dad had the same mindset when I was growing up. I will think about this and see if I can come up with a solution for you.

[Fableflame]

I figured this might be the issue . My Dad had the same mindset when i was growing up. I will think about this and see if I can come up with a solution for you.

Thanks, I appriciate it.

Go to the Brainwave Generator site and see if they have free downloads.
You don't need brainwave entrainment to project, but if you feel you need them to relax and focus then try holosync or BWGen free downloads- someone has to have free downloads.
Don't consider them as a panacea- consider them useful tools to help with mind taming.

Thanks, I'll look into it.


Maybe Binaural Beats just aren't the way I need to project. By myself I can lay down and focus and I can get this tingling sensation all over my body, and sometimes it feels like the room is spinning around me.

[newmethod]

The Binaural Beats actually didn't help me.
I was slightly disappointed, but I did get better results with your technique Dbmathis.

Been trying some beats out again over the past week or so...
I've noticed they seem to work a LOT better on my good quality closed ear headphones than it does on my little wrap arounds i normally use with my mp3 player...

[Star_gazer]

Been trying some beats out again over the past week or so...
I've noticed they seem to work a LOT better on my good quality closed ear headphones than it does on my little wrap arounds i normally use with my mp3 player...

i would of though that 'beats' (music if that's wot u mean) affected ones ability to project? is it not distracting?

[dbmathis]

Star_gazer,

We are referring to binaural beat frequencies.

These beats are frequencies that go into each ear through headphones. This stuff is not normal music but instead precision engineered sound waves that balance right and left hemispheres of your brain to produce a state known as "hemispheric synchronization." This state of consciousness opens pathways to a wide variety of peak performance brain states including mind awake body asleep and states of deep meditation.

You can read about this technology on The Monroe Institute website.

Best Regards

David

[owl]

dbmathis
I have the BW generater cd that came with Robert Bruces "Mastering Astral Projection". I have not listened  to it because I am worried that if I train my mind using it I will not be able to ap without it. Have you had OOBE both with and without using the binaural beat cds? Just courious because I have been thinking about using them.

[dbmathis]

Have you had OOBE both with and without using the binaural beat cds? Just courious because I have been thinking about using them.

Yes, I think the first 3 I had I was using nothing. Some people may disagree with this, but I have experienced a permanent change while listening to beats, and not just in the realm of astral projection. I started listening to Brainsync tracks such as "High Focus", "Brain Power" and "Super Learning" in 2007 and have seen drastic permanent changes in my ability to think. I am super focused (even with migraines) and am able to score 120s - 140s on IQ tests (148 best) depending on what day I take it. I have no doubt that this number will be bigger with time.

In conclusion, there is much more to these tracks than what you might expect and I have noticed permanent changes in my mental capacity, even after not using them for a while. I would say go for it and look at it like training wheels on a bike, you eventually learn to ride that bike without training wheels.

I thought the same thing when I started using beats for astral projection, so you are not alone.

Best Regards

David

[owl]

Sounds good, I could certainly use more mental capacity and focusing abilitys.

Thanks

[CFTraveler]

dbmathis
I have the BW generater cd that came with Robert Bruces "Mastering Astral Projection". I have not listened  to it because I am worried that if I train my mind using it I will not be able to ap without it. Have you had OOBE both with and without using the binaural beat cds? Just courious because I have been thinking about using them.

You don't need it but it does take you through different bw frequencies, and helps you achieve altered states quicker.  I'd recommend them (since you have them) just to see how they feel.  Then you know what you want to recreate without them.

[blackcat]

Owl, I understand your sentiment about getting addicted to needing the binaural beats, but everything I have heard from others indicates just the opposite, ie that using the tapes as a crutch helps you learn how to get there easier and then eventually don't need the tapes anymore. It's like a kid uses a walker to learn to walk, but that is only until he/she gets used to walking and the he/she abandons the walker and walks without it. 
-Eva

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