What is all this new age crap?

[Patty]

Thanks, Frank!

I can't tell you how exciting it is to contemplate reaching a different level replete with such interesting people and experiences. Five years? Phhffft. That's nothin.  Though it sounds like you are more diligent, it might take me six. Still, I expect to be engaging in these pursuits for the rest of my life.

I was reading AD last night - and Robert was also talking of how things become more stable.  So, two experiencers giving me the same kind of pep talk -

I feel  pretty psyched!

Patty

[kakkarot]

this is not oobe related, but it is clairvoyant related (or "anomalous cognition" for those who follow the link).

http://www.parascope.com/ds/articles/parapsychologyDoc.htm

This is a report by Dr. Kenneth Kress who talked about the CIA sponsered remote viewing experiments. This report is also found in a book i just finished reading (The Psychic Battlefield) and can be found in other places as well, so it was not made up by this site. Dr. Kress actually worked for the CIA so this is not some bs conspiracy thing. i strongly suggest you check it out; it comes to the conclusion that remote viewing (anomalous cognition, clairvoyance, etc) is real, but to get "operational" usefulness out of it would require further funding by the CIA.

~kakkarot

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[Mirador]

I dont want to sound too disrespectful, but most of this thread seems like people tinkling outside the pot. I dont believe you can learn to be psychic, you are born with it, and when you or someone else finds out for you, then you can learn to hone it, control it, but never explain it in 'scientific', 'religious' terms. Somehow psychic ability runs in families, such is my case, like lefthandedness, or having three legs for that matter. But to teach someone to grow a third leg is too absurd.

Mirador

[no_leaf_clover]

i have to disagree mirador.. things such as remote viewing were even once taught by the government. remote viewing could be considered psychic, right? astral projection, remote viewing, the use of the akashic records through just deep meditation.. all of these things could be considered psychical, and they don't have to be inherited. ..lefthandedness wouldn't a good example for your view either, because you can learn to be right handed with some practice, and i've known people who've done that. having three legs is a genetic mutation. i don't think i've heard of many people with three legs.

we can't explain such things is scientific terms yet because some basic laws of science would be broken, and it is almost impossible to prove such things without physical proof. science will overcome this one day.. hopefully..

[James S]

Mirador,

Your partly right in your thoughts.
What seems to be the case is anyone can do this stuff with time, and practice, but there are some that can just do it naturally.

An example - my wife has had spontaneous OBEs during Yoga when her class started learning chakra exercises, and what she described as a huge surge of energy rushed up her spine. She was born a telepath, as was her mother. She doesn't talk about it much as she's not at all interested in pursuing any of this kind of thing.

Me, on the other hand, have had to work at Astral Phasing (not yet had a regular OBE), and struggle to get the kind of energy needed to do anything like what my wife can do without trying.

What I've learned about all of this is that it comes down to energy. Some people, like my wife, naturally have a much stronger energy body. Just like some people are naturally much stronger physically than others, because, like you say, it runs in the family. For those of us who aren't as strong, the energy body, like the physical body, can be exercised to be made stronger. When this happens, then the psychic powers and the OBEs start happening.

For some people though, the ability to become psychic is not possible and seems absurd, not because they are not at all able to do it, but because their minds won't allow, or accept that it is possible.

Unfortunately in most cultures on Earth, we are taught from a very early age what is possible and what isn't. As the human race seems to have embraced science so much for the answers to all things, paranormal or "new age" concepts are just not accepted.

James.

[Fat_Turkey]

Haven't read all the replies, but I just got tempted to say this.

Nobody can convince you, it all comes down to what you believe. New Age beliefs can either be total crap to a person or the gospel truth, or perhaps somewhere in between. Decide for yourself what your truth is, don't go whining to us about it.

Later
-FT

[aphexcoil]

Hello!  My name is Jason and I am 25 years old.  I'm from Baltimore, MD.  Here is my problem with this entire subject:

Yes, I have had SP and lucid dreams.  I've gone through the paralysis, buzzing ring that spreads through the body, etc. etc.  However, why must people attribute these things to something paranormal?  This is merely the brain going through various processes and some parts shutting off for the night while others remain active.

OBE's, in my humble opinion, are interesting experiences, but not proof that we have a soul or survive death.  

Furthermore, there are other comments in here that are just completely nuts.  For instance, someone gave advice about how to avoid "negative spirits" on the lower planes.  This isn't Dungeons and Dragons.  I'm sorry, but I just have a very difficult time understanding how people invent these aspects of their reality.  

I'm sure many of you will have comments to this, but I am just extremely skeptical of the validity of OBEs -- not that they can't happen, but the interpretation of what is happening.  OBEs are merely brain processes, nothing more and nothing less.

Your thoughts are always welcome.  Have a great day!

aphie