not obe not lucid defo something. but what?

[Fourthdimension]

Hi i really wanna tell you about this regular occurance that i need help understanding but at the minute am in a rush so i will have to right it quick and brief

It is nt a dream as i am concious and i know its not lucid dreaming either and it defo aint an obe

It usally happens when i am lying in bed and have tried for ages to project but the end result is i fall asleep.
In my sleep i kinda become lucid and wake up and think to my self ok now lets get out my body.
I do something like will myself out and then i end up disorientated and everything and get scared sometims so i some how bring myself back to lucid dreaming with out waking up then all night long i keep trying this sometimes 10 times a night.

also sometimes i get transparent eyelids and can see through them when i fisrt go into lucid but what i see is nt my room its someone elses

other important things is that at the time of my exit or attempt at obe in lucid i know what i am doing but when i wake up i cant remeber what i done to exit and would nt know where to start to try it again

sometimes i think things are hold conversations then when i wake up what i rember talking about seems to make no snese though it did at the time.

i have projected before and i never am scared but when this happens i feel happy then near the end i feel as if i am been chased and have to will myself to wake up.

what is it?

thanks

[Fourthdimension]

Also last night i had a headache all day which i thought was just cause i was fasting cause i dont eat or drink any liquids from 0700am to 2100 pm

later that day i realised i still had the headache so i thought mabye i am going to project 2nite as i sometime get a headache like that when i am going to.
The ear hiss was there as it somehow seems to be all the time,briefly

anyways i went to bed at 0030 and woke up at 0300. I went to the toilets and on the way i got this thing that happens happening (usally it feels like watching tele my eyes seems to be blinded by that sort of screen you get on your tele when you aint got no redeption and there are white and black dots but i get alot of purple n red in it)
onmly this time it never lasted for just a few seconds it lasted for a minute where i could nt see a thing. and then the ear his got really loud as if it was the only thing i could here and my stomache hurted so bad i had to double over and go down on 1 knee till it passed over.

I know this is not a physical ailment or illness. what else could it be?

[CFTraveler]

Hi i really wanna tell you about this regular occurance that i need help understanding but at the minute am in a rush so i will have to right it quick and brief

It is nt a dream as i am concious and i know its not lucid dreaming either and it defo aint an obe

It's an astral projection.

It usally happens when i am lying in bed and have tried for ages to project but the end result is i fall asleep.
In my sleep i kinda become lucid and wake up and think to my self ok now lets get out my body.

You're separating from your dream body, going into the astral, which is not like the etheric, and you're probably landing in the void.

I do something like will myself out and then i end up disorientated and everything and get scared sometims so i some how bring myself back to lucid dreaming with out waking up then all night long i keep trying this sometimes 10 times a night.

Yep, sounds like an astral projection into the void.

also sometimes i get transparent eyelids and can see through them when i fisrt go into lucid but what i see is nt my room its someone elses

Astral vision, except that since you've projected into the astral, that's what you see.  

other important things is that at the time of my exit or attempt at obe in lucid i know what i am doing but when i wake up i cant remeber what i done to exit and would nt know where to start to try it again

That's because you clicked out, according to some it could be said you stored your memories in your dream body and the only way to remember what you did is to lucid dream and try to remember while asleep and lucid dreaming.

sometimes i think things are hold conversations then when i wake up what i rember talking about seems to make no snese though it did at the time.

Yep, that happens to me too, usually in the hypnagogic state or upon waking.  It's hard to put your finger on it, but parts of us are always communicating, and sometimes, if we're on the right 'freq.' we can tune in-briefly.  It's possible that the frequencies in which this happens is too fast, and delta is just fast enough to get some of it.  But it's just my speculation.

i have projected before and i never am scared but when this happens i feel happy then near the end i feel as if i am been chased and have to will myself to wake up.

what is it?

thanks

It's an astral projection, not an etheric one.  From your dream body.  Or at least that's what it seems to me.

[Fourthdimension]

Hi cft and thanks for your reply you come to my rescue as you always to hehe

What does it mean 'projecting into the void'?
Whats the void?

I agree about the frequency thing you mentioned but not only could it be tuning into that but tuning into higher level convo's been held between your subconsious and your guide or influencing spirits.

What do you think about the physical illness i mentioned above i have had the eye thing for years since i was a kid but it never was as bad as it was that night.

I know its not a health problem

thanks again cft 

[CFTraveler]

Hi cft and thanks for your reply you come to my rescue as you always to hehe

What does it mean 'projecting into the void'?
Whats the void?

This may give you an idea (I think it's Monroe's Focus 21, BTW, aka 3D black)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_experiences/the_void_the_nothing_vacant_stillness-t7028.0.html;msg51076#msg51076

What do you think about the physical illness i mentioned above i have had the eye thing for years since i was a kid but it never was as bad as it was that night.

I know its not a health problem

thanks again cft 

You said you were fasting- if your blood sugar levels were low, what can I say?

About there possibly being influencing spirits, when I've 'caught' them, it's been obvious to me.  So I would say, depends on the effect on you afterwards.

[Fourthdimension]

Thank you for helping me cft.

Well i know i have been fasting recently but i have onyl just started yet the swirling cloured blindness have been with me for years and brings a sense of disorientation although doctors cant siagnose me with anything and it was frequent when i was young but nowadays its not so frequent and i enjoy it. It was just a full on experience tho they other night i think it was a bit of spirit inlfuencing me and energy work and also the effects of fasting

I went back into the void twice last night before i read this post and i got in and it was all black for some reason i felt calm this time mabye cause i voiced my fears to you about it. anyways i went in and i got all willful and threw a hissy fit even tho am a lad haha and i said i want to make something of this journey! i want to astral project! you aint getting the better over me! i know i am out of my body i think i have just got my eyes closed so am gonna open my eyes and see where i am! so i did and i was in a room with white walls and an old fire place and very old radio with various other things i decided to go to the kitchen and the back door was locked so i tried to will myself not to go through the door but to meteralise on they other side it did nt work so i went back to my body

Why do i always end up in very old places when i project?
Why dont i end up in the now?
I always seem to hover when i project and dont seem to be able to walk around with full control i feel like a baseball i have to will myself to were i want to be and all i can do is hover and if i want to touch something i have to will myself so hard to pricely do it rather than fling myself to one side of the room.

Why do i just seem to hover about like that?

also Once back i decided to try again and after thinking about trying to get in the now .
I came to that blackness again and said ok when i open my eyes am gonna be in my room. and i was or i presumed i was it felt like i was although i could nt see know identifiable objects or i never looked for them i just wanted to see my body . as i came out i felt nothing was on the bed n thought i might have projected somewhere else but then became sure i had projected into my room and i turned round and saw a body wrapped in white cloth hovering above the bed and it was male and yet i presumed it was me and i said to myself wow am hovering hehe. but then where my head was was alsoanother persons foot and i traced it down and it was a womens head near where my feeet were she was floating above me wrapped in white cloth also.

What was all that baout?
Could it have really been me?
Why was i hovering?
Who could the women have been?

It felt a little eerie

take care and sorry for asking lots

[CFTraveler]

Ask yourself these questions before you go to sleep, and let me know what happens.

[Fourthdimension]

Thanks cft i will ask myself this before i go to sleep.

today i decided to mediate on it well not exactly mediate but close my eyes in they afternoon and let my thoughts come out and be expressed. usally it turns into that tuning onto the right freq where the thoughts seem sensible until u wake up and they seem nonsense as mentioned before i sorta become semi consious not unconusicess or asleep or unaware but consous and taking a back seat then sometimes things prompt me to take control of my thoughts and direct them into the way i want them before i go semi consicess again anyways whilst doing that i came up with a fews one of those things is that

when i project i dont seem to be able to walk or touch are act as i do now i only seem to hover and shout and will to go places and throw myself in that direction
"but the overseer of the slaves who make great sculputers like the pyrimads dont become anymore knowledgable about sculpting nor enlgightened because they will the slaves to do somewthin"
so i decided that when i project am gonna try to stop shouting and willing ymself and rather try to touch things and walk so i can learn more

cft when you project can you walk aout and touchtings or do u just hover in one place and have to obsessivly will your self to go just one place

[CFTraveler]

First of all, when you project, you don't have a body to walk, etc.  So there is nothing to walk with.  If you have an etheric projection, (that is, an OBE to the Real Time Zone) your etheric body possesses some density, and you can feel what it feels like to go through a wall, there is tactile perception but it is not like with a dream.
The only projections where I have more contact with my surrounding are mental projections, and I never know when those are going to happen.
In my usual projections, I usually float to where I'm going and communicate with telepathy, or 'ideas'.  There is no shouting, there is only thinking, and usually there may be a 'word' said to me in the 'waking up' state (which is a different state that does involve your physical body, unlike when you're fully projected).
If I'm in the RTZ and want to go somewhere, and it's reasonably close, I just direct myself there.  If I want to go somewhere far away and don't have the 'bearings' to know where I'm going, I ask to be taken there, and it's usually instant with a guide.  I've tried to do it by myself and found myself hovering over the ocean not knowing where north is.