Why do they do this and who is "they"?

[blink182]

hi Going Slow have you read journeys out of the body by Robert A. Monroe he talks in depth about this subject (in fact there is a whole CHAPTER ON IT!!!) but any way he delt with it by telling him self that he would confront it some other time and this put it on the hold for a short time untill he actually came to confront it and was taken to a large pit full of bodys constantly haveing sex and talks of how sickly just the sight of it was. Then  every time he felt the teptation or urge beginning to over whelm him he just thourght of the wriggling mass and it would diminish the sexual desire. But he says it always crops up every now and then and thus to get rid of the sexual desire he thinks of the wriggling mass.
any way next time you find your self confronted with this over whelming sexual desire mentaly state to your self you will deal with it at a more apropriate time.  so tell me if this helps (fingers crossed)[]

[goingslow]

Thanks Blink182,  

I'll definitely re read that section.  I remember him talking about the urges.  I really appreciate you pointing that out.

The thing I realized I failed to mention, probably because its kinda Too much info but there are "beings" there who are doing sexual things to me.  But I try to shake them off and they follow me.  Its as if the same beings that were scaring me are really using sex now.  It should be easy to kick them off but the situations are.. ones that "hit the mark" for me.  

I wont say much more than that since this is a PG rated board.  I know it sounds kinda wimpy to say all these women are chasing me and making me sexually aroused but.. they should leave me alone when I ask?

I realize at this point I sound crazy.  So im gonna go reread that chapter and come back later.  []

[DOA]

Oh man have i been there.  I couldnt project didnt have the skill and when I had the oppertunity I was scared.  I then started having lucid dreams and as soon as I would get lucid Id wake up.  Then when I did get more control I started having sexual urges.  Id go looking for them  as soon as id realize I was dreaming Id get that feeling and then I would look for someone to have sex with.  Then Id wake up. Finally I got mad and when I became lucid I yelled at myself and it pretty much stopped.  But that was my trigger i mean i would realize i was dreaming when id have sex with beautiful women that never happens that is how I knew I was dreaming hehe.  Well have you read William Buhlman's book adventures beyond the body?  In there he says as soon as he leaves his body there will be a ton of entities there.  What he does is use white light to make them leave.  He said he made a grenade of light and throws it in the room and he said they scatter hehe.  Id look at his book maybe you can find something usefull there.

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[Terry B]

Well, you can stop hoping for someone else here to have the similar thing happen as this is also one of my major problem [|)].

For me when I'm projecting my feeeling/drives are heightened and it takes great effort to control myself. I guess in some way the "Thought equal direct action" rules have more immediate effect. In the physical world desire is just that and nothing happens unless we take action but the non-physical is much more direct. I think some taoist inner alchemy exercise to cycle and balance the energy might help.

[goingslow]

Thanks for your replies all of you.  I'll definitely look into that book DOA

I have a strong feeling these incidents are caused by repressed emotions or feelings.  Some of the situations Im faced with embarass me when they come to life in the Astral.  Its as if im being put right into the things i have been told are "wrong".

I was raised Catholic and Attended Catholic school as a kid for almost 8 years.  If you're Catholic or know about the religion there is a lot of "you're a sinner" in it.  Even though I am no longer in anyway Catholic, or any other religion for that matter I think deep down I think certain sexual acts are wrong or evil.

What Im really trying to figure out is this.  We are sexual beings.  We still have those instincts no matter how much we fight them.  Should they be fought.  And if not is the only appropriate form of sex the typical man on top woman on bottom. (or woman on top man on bottom)?  I think part of this is getting mixed messages.  

Is sex ever "wrong" in any universal sense in waking life?  I guess that is my question.  Why do monks stay away from it?  I think deep down I think certain acts are wrong.. (im not talking about with animals or any other act that doesn't have consent).  But are what we call "fetishes" wrong in a Universal sense?

If not wrong are they lower in some way than sex for procreation?

I hate catholic guilt.  []

Terry,  Do you find yourself put in situations where you have to get out of them to enjoy the astral?  What do you do?

again thanks people

[DOA]

First I am catholic as well. I was not raised as catholic but converted when I got married.  Sometimes my wife is kinda prudish about sex but I understand what she means and how the church influenced her.  I dont think sex is bad.  If you are having fun in what ever way you do it it is ok especially if both agree.  Now where it becomes a problem is when it is obessive or abusive or if you start lusting after every women you see then its a problem.  

Monks abstain from sex becouse there is energy release when you have sex.  They try to keep all that energy inside so they can do there monkly things whatever that is.  Again I think that is taken to extreme as well. I think you need to be balanced in all things.  

Try having sex before you plan on having a obe.  That might make the desire not so big and you wont have all these things trying to get you.  When I overcame it I knew it was me I knew I created everything.  It sounds like it might not be all you that other things are coming to you.  For me I realized it was stopping my spiritual growth and I had to stop it if I wanted to progress so I did.  If its exteranl sources coming to you that is differant.  Try protection techniques and things like that...  Key there is finding something you believe in to remove them like maybe a cross or something.


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[Terry B]

I do believe in my situation these incidents stem from from my inner feeling or emotion. I've done something that embarass me to talk about. when I realise that, I stop what I think I'm not supposed to be doing and the environment or my view of it seems to change somehow. The change could be just a little detail here and there or it could be more grand.

[smilecollecter]

In regards to the above topics....Try reading the Conversations With God books, especially 1 & 3 and it should help with the right and wrong questions about a lot of things....the books helped to set my thinking free about a lot of things, though some of the information I still wrestle with.  As for the sexual things you experience with oob's...for me...I had my 1st conscious oob a couple of months ago and it happened after I had taken care of the sexual energy (got rid of it before trying to go oob.) In Astral Dynamics book, Robert Bruce, I think he mentions about focusing too much energy in the genital area as that can cause problems. Also, has anyone every had marks put on their physical body while sleeping?  I work as a caregiver at night and I sleep in the upstairs bedroom of a elderly widow.  I woke up one morning and there was a large red mark the size of a half dollar on my side.  It didn't itch or scratch or hurt like a bug bite would.  It is still on my side and it's been there for 3 months.  Also, about the same time I found teeth marks and lip prints on my upper arm in a place where I could not have done it myself.  I applied arnica jell to it for a couple of days and it disappeared within 3-4 days. I told what or whoever was in another dimention to leave and took authority over the situation (we have that power) and I have not had any more problems with new body marks.

[goingslow]

In all my Lucid Dreams over the past 15 years or so fear has been one of the major factors.  From as early as I can remember something was holding me back or scaring me into trying to wake myself up.  In a way it was helpful because the fear and the weird situations in the RTZ is what led me to control my dreams and go outside and enjoy the lucid dream environment.

I have recently made more progress in the fear department in the last 6 months than I have in the previous 15 years.  This is largely due to posts I read here.. (sincere thanks to Frank and Timeless).  What they said about fear really rang true for me.  Before I would deal with it by running up to the entity and fighting it.  By saying "you're not real" and just going head to head with it.  But i still FELT the fear.  Recently (very recently) I honestly dont feel fear.  I was having a weird rtz episode the other night where i was watching tv and went to bed.  there was an entity in my room and a black bat entity flying at me.  I shrugged it off and said try something else im not afraid anymore.  And i really felt no fear.  It really did come from realizing it was my fear that caused much of it.

The point of this post is "it" did try something else.  For the past week there is still a prelude and Im not able to automatically enjoy my AP's or LD's.  Instead Im overcome with very very strong sexual feelings that are very hard to fight.  Part of it is because its so pleasurable its very tempting to stay where I am and play along.  

I dont think its anything other than my dealing with another ego.  I mean now that Im done with fear im gonna be held down by sexual urges?  Due to the fact once I stopped feeling fear I stopped having entities chase me all night I dont think its a succubus or incubus.  Its almost situations which they KNOW to me are huge turn ons.  Even some kinky ones.  Im not angry with it although I often feel ashamed.  

Does this ever end?  I try to resist the temptation just because there are better things to do but im amazed how fast it changed from fear to another strong feeling (sex).  

I really hesitated putting this up.  But I did it hoping someone has had a similiar thing happen.  I dont know where else or who else to tell about this.  In my younger days it would be a dream come true.  These situations im put in that are so sexually charged.  But its not what I want in that environment anymore.