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quote:Originally posted by kiaumaSweden, try eugenics and also environmental concerns later both adopted by the Nazis. Switzerland on the other hand do a good line in clocks and banking of Nazi money (some of it of Jewish and other concentration camp inmate ownership) If memory serves, that was all in the last 50 years - correct me if I am wrong.
quote:For many the whole of AP fits this category, this is just one branch of this irrationality Another baseless accusation. Why is my statement (I assume that is what you are referring to, as you do not say) an irrationality? Yes, there have been pockets of conflict that fit what I and others have described, such as the DBZ and the demon war debacles, but you imply this is the norm when the vast majority of threads are not that way at all - why?
quote:I stand by the insular view for various reasons, my reference to Nay is for stirring the pot at the wrong moment.What 'various reasons'? NOW is the time to state them. How is Nay, by introducing a perspective through which peace is readily available to a group of people who are admittedly here to find help for a serious problem, stirring the pot at the wrong moment?
quote:You, like others here, are putting the cart before the horse. People come here for help, so we post what we hope is helpful, telling them they ARE empowered - and they cry "No! You must not tell us that! You hurt us by telling us that!" - what you miss is the very nature of the problem, which is that they are in a doublebind between their perceptions and their self-image.
quote:... Or does he? Perhaps you can give me a good reason the man must not live an 'insular' existance? 
quote:Originally posted by kiaumaHelp me out here Mick, I can't read your mind.
quote:Ah, friend Mick, again you make conclusions and accusations with no supporting reasoning. Yes, to many (most?) the paranormal is irrational, however I think it is no assumption that you 'believe' in the reality of the paranormal, based on statements you have made
quote:Why didn't you say you wanted love and light? Not a problem. 
quote:For me the idea of insulating one self from outside influences is to be insular.Please show me where I am doing that. For me, I hold my long standing participation in the discussion of this issue as proof of not insulating myself.
quote:...By reinforcing the notion that they are a slave to other's perceptions of themselves? Please explain to me how this is beneficial.
quote:You always defended DK's view Mick, and you still are, that is why you are making these accusations and asking these questions, and I am answering. 
quote:People come here for help, so we post what we hope is helpful, telling them they ARE empowered...
quote:Originally posted by kiaumaAnd yes, you are so right it sparks defensiveness! - and the correlation of those who jump on the defensive and those who feel attacked by 'Negs' is %100!!! Coincidence? Think about it.
quote: I have, and I am thinking of starting a new topic about ego and negativity.
quote:Originally posted by kiaumaAre you talking about me McA?
quote:And i see nowhere where anyone has commented on my comments of the latest article posted in this thread where i felt i made valid points of why the author does not know what she is talking about.You mean your 'valid' point of accusing me of causing an argument? LOL - I thought my non-answer of that said it all - e.g. no argument from me. 
quote:I would love to discuss issues other than the protection of fragile egos though.
quote:Originally posted by James SKiauma & McArthur, Sorry for having a go at you two earlier for your methods of discussing a topic. I see your point Kiauma, when you dig into a subject you can see the context that lies beneath the surface.Be mindful though that as you dig to the heart of a topic line by line, that you don't miss the main point of the topic. This is where I'm coming from in my request to see things presented more as a complete flow of thought rather than fragmented responses.What I've seen happening here in the last several months is the slow degredation of a forum because of the dissection of topics leading to more and more personal dissagreements rather than discussions on the topics themselves.In the 8 pages of this topic, how much of the discussion has gone into opinions about the subject matter itsself, and how much has gone into personal dissagreements?Part of what I see as happening in these dissections is great assumptions being made - leaps to conclusions. These assumptions do tend upset, and not because of ego. If someone's gone to the effort of posting their thoughts and feelings, and it is misread, either because for whatever reason they have not explained themselves clearly enough, or the person reading it has not understood the intention, then assumptions get made. Once these assumptions are made, it becomes very hard to get out of that mindset and into an acceptance that maybe the assumption made is not correct.I've been making the assumption that Spectral has been finger pointing because he's being overly defensive, whereas from his perspective he could simply be seeing the exact same behaviour from me that he's been accused of. From that viewpoint I've been perpetuating arguments the way I've accused him of doing. With that in mind, Spectral, I apologise for what I've said. I'll try now to take a step further away from the issues and try to look at them more objectively.DK, I don't want to see this forum closed down. Thing is, it's happened to other forums because of such degredations of discussions, and the subsequent spreading of personal rivalries to other forums.It's becoming a cancer in the AP site, and unless it can be treated, it will have to be cut out alltogether. The problems with this forum from the way I see it is in how people are reacting to the topics and discussions. Unless that's changed, moving those discussions to a new location won't solve the problem.Regards,James.P.S.Kiauma, I just read you're last post that you submitted while I was typing up mine. You have made an excellent and valid point.
quote:Originally posted by kiaumaYou said in the last 50 years and asked if you were wrong. I said 'yes' and justified it. Mind reading not requiredAll right Mick, Uncle! Uncle! looking more closely, I see you got me there - it was in the last 60 years.Please forgive my brazen oversight - at least I am assuming that is what you are talking about, you still imply that your meaning is perfectly obvious. Again you will have to forgive me Mick, for I am not omniscient and therefore am fallible. Is that what you meant?