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Can magnetism describe all non physical force?

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rygoody

So I have this formula of thought where I identify something actual, immediate, 100% and then try to apply it to greater bigger things.

Now magnets, can this explain gravity? Can the functions of it explain all underlying workings of every non-physical force? Perhaps it's the underlying force behind even physical force?

Like currently quantum mechanics supposes the 'graviton' that gravity is a flow of particles. But for that to function, the particles must be flowing from one place, big bang? To another, center of each planet. But I wonder if these flowing of particles, the flowing isn't so much dictated by just the once accidental setup of the perpetual flow from the Big Bang. But rather, if they are still being guided by mere magnetism. That possibly, all things that are run under some magnet force, some pull from negative to positive, then the inherent recycling of that back through the magnet to positive again.

I want you guys to help me ponder this formula for thought. Apply it to some things and explain it if you would like.

When doing so, also keep in mind the human body produces magnetic fields by focused will http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoencephalography

MisterJingo

Hey rygoody,

i'm not sure that magnetism as we currently understand it can explain gravity, as magnatism has very specific effects on only specific local materials/particles. The graviton is also only one hypothesis of gravity, but with all things in QM, there is no such thing as an absolute particle due to wave-particle duality. We can find remnants of energy which suggest the big bang, but nothing is still flowing from the big bang itself. At the point of the big bang, no matter existed, and forces (and energies) as we know them now (including magnetism) either didn't exist or behaved differently than they do now.

Regarding Magnetoencephalography (MEG), this technology simply detects the magentic fields produced by electrical activity in the brain i.e. focused will is the result of the activity rather than the cause. All electrical activity causes a magentic field (electromagnetism). Findings produced by MEG are challenging our views of consciousness and are progressively explaining how consciousness (as we understand it) could arise from the brain alone.

rygoody

Quote from: MisterJingo on October 29, 2007, 08:49:11
Hey rygoody,

i'm not sure that magnetism as we currently understand it can explain gravity, as magnatism has very specific effects on only specific local materials/particles. The graviton is also only one hypothesis of gravity, but with all things in QM, there is no such thing as an absolute particle due to wave-particle duality. We can find remnants of energy which suggest the big bang, but nothing is still flowing from the big bang itself. At the point of the big bang, no matter existed, and forces (and energies) as we know them now (including magnetism) either didn't exist or behaved differently than they do now.

Regarding Magnetoencephalography (MEG), this technology simply detects the magentic fields produced by electrical activity in the brain i.e. focused will is the result of the activity rather than the cause. All electrical activity causes a magentic field (electromagnetism). Findings produced by MEG are challenging our views of consciousness and are progressively explaining how consciousness (as we understand it) could arise from the brain alone.

Well I think conciousness does arise from the brain alone. I mean matter may not seem like it can account for it all. But don't forget matter is composed of quantum particles which are infinite. Matter is only bounded until you go small enough, or rather, sensitive enough.

However, I wasn't reffering to magnetism so much in terms of magnets. Just the overall law of, positive attracts to negative.

Which I bring up because, the original notion of gravity that, mass sucked things towards it. I wasn't so sure about this.

But then the graviton, that gravity is a particle flow. That it's a causal force pushing the earth together. I didn't so much like this one either cause, I believe the universe is largely associative, or drawing to a point. That its not just the mere cause of accidental occurance.

So then I pondered, maybe all the gravitons are flowing to a magnetic pull? That the mass of the earth is just associative to its positive center? Then I wondered, where else could you apply a magnetic model. Because it does seem like everything could be unified under magnetic models and if your going to take manifestations of nature as any insight into the functionings of the greater cosmos. I think magnets are something not to be overlooked.

volcomstone

I sorta think the brain is akin to an antenna, like a radio our brain translates otherwise indecipherable waves (collective of human conscience) into a tangible ordered and interactive message.

  SOOoo basically we are floating through the air as a combined entity until our specific brain architecture and genes decipher's it into our own personal reality/personality/soul/.  (and when we sleep our individual soul goes back to the big ocean of souls, but our brain is just active enough to maintain our very basic self-identity, like the digital self from the matrix)

  when we die our soul is still pretty stable, because our physical self is still rather complete (unless it was a horrible accident...) and we are still grounded, until our body decays and our brain is completely dead. 

soooo good advice would be to figure out your dead as soon as possible, that way you can ensure you aren't lost.

Or, better still try and make some sort of permanent physical structure before you die, an artificial metaphysical antennae that helps ground you to earth


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greggkroodsma

Quote from: rygoody on October 27, 2007, 00:45:27
So I have this formula of thought where I identify something actual, immediate, 100% and then try to apply it to greater bigger things.

Now magnets, can this explain gravity? Can the functions of it explain all underlying workings of every non-physical force? Perhaps it's the underlying force behind even physical force?

Like currently quantum mechanics supposes the 'graviton' that gravity is a flow of particles. But for that to function, the particles must be flowing from one place, big bang? To another, center of each planet. But I wonder if these flowing of particles, the flowing isn't so much dictated by just the once accidental setup of the perpetual flow from the Big Bang. But rather, if they are still being guided by mere magnetism. That possibly, all things that are run under some magnet force, some pull from negative to positive, then the inherent recycling of that back through the magnet to positive again.

I want you guys to help me ponder this formula for thought. Apply it to some things and explain it if you would like.

When doing so, also keep in mind the human body produces magnetic fields by focused will http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoencephalography

The magnetism created by the body can be focused, but you have to understand what creates the magnetism.
The same force that creates the magnetism also negates it by decay; that is the reason a battery drains.
I believe we are particles of the sun and we are batteries.  Inside the earth is the outside of the sun.

QuoteNow magnets, can this explain gravity? Can the functions of it explain all underlying workings of every non-physical force? Perhaps it's the underlying force behind even physical force?

The graviton is thought to be a particle of the wave of gravity and the finding of a graviton is harder than finding a neutrino, but they think they have found both of them.  One might explain the other or all non-physical force. 
I believe that the existence of gravitons and neutrinos is the outer register of another type of existence.  Just like we can go no smaller in the elemental kingdom than H1, protium.
So, Protium, Gravitons, and Neutrinos are the outside register of an inner world and this world is all around us and can be affected by and have an effect upon this physical world because it is all connected by cause and effect.  Everything visible may not have a mirror image in another realm, but it may be the end result of the vibratory frequency stopping.  Coldness is not the absence of heat.  A statue is not cold because it has no heat, it is cold because it does not move. 
Gravity is the non-ability of a source to form opposing forces.  You cannot fly off of the earth because the earth does not have an opposite force to push you away. 
Magnetism is a force.
The earth and alll the planets and belts cannot have opposite forces because by the size of the sun, all of the revolving objects would be sucked into the sun; all of them until the forces equallized.  But that could be why everything is in this solar system because the forces are equal.

AmbientSound

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The forces are equal for now, until the sun becomes a Red Giant and we all get sucked into it- at least, if we don't find a way to attach very large rocket thrusters onto this planet and blast away before that happens! lol




...don't worry, we've still got a few million years. I would hope we were smart enough to figure out how to turn the earth into a mobile planet by then.