Is there more than one physical universe?

[zareste]

To straighten one thing out:  There's only one universe. The term can't be used to describe multiples.

The Sirians and other races describe these 'dimensions' as wavelengths or vibrations or spectrums.  It has to do with the way atoms can function the same as light. There aren't any actual planes or dimensions - just areas of the atomic spectrum.

You can have multiple objects occupying the same space without affecting each other, as long as the objects' particles are on different frequencies. This is because the particles exist on certain wavelengths/frequencies, and these particles cannot contact particles above or below their frequency.  For example, x-ray light passes through your skin because it's a higher frequency than your skin particles - the wavelengths are too different to hit each other.  Radio waves also pass through your skin because its energy is too low-frequency.  Anything above x-rays or below radio waves will also pass through you, because you only affect a certain range of particles.  It's actually more likely for a particle to go through you than hit you.

This applies between objects.  If you accelerate an object's particles to the x-ray wavelength, it would go through your skin and contact your bone.  Accelerate it a little further, and it goes through your bone, only causing a bit of friction against it (some particles will hit the bone).  Accelerate it further, and it goes through you without you noticing at all.  It might as well not be there.  It's in 'another dimension'.

This is what happens when you exit your body and go through a wall.  You adjust your frequency so very few of your particles hit that wall (though you still feel some friction from a few particle collisions).  Some people can't get through the wall because they haven't altered (or 'phased') their frequency correctly.  We all know the other fun things phasing can do.  If you phase far enough, the wall starts to become invisible because your atoms no longer react to photons in its range.  You eventually find yourself in a place where that wall might as well not exist.

Our own bodies use this principal to function; we have phantom organs you'll never see on a standard anatomy chart - they overlap the normal organs and are nearly intangible.  You can only feel them by touching a phantom organ against another phantom organ. (I can tell how to do this if anyone wants)  This is a very nifty way to save space, though it causes problems when your energy fluctuates.  If a phantom organ's frequency shifts, it causes friction against your normal organs, causing headaches and other sickness.  These sicknesses are especially annoying when all the 'doctors' around you are atheists and christians who believe these organs aren't there.

[iNNERvOYAGER]

Our own bodies use this principal to function; we have phantom organs you'll never see on a standard anatomy chart - they overlap the normal organs and are nearly intangible.  You can only feel them by touching a phantom organ against another phantom organ. (I can tell how to do this if anyone wants) 

Zareste, that's pretty cool, thanks.

For years I followed the convention that only the location between the eyes needs attention.

After reading more about energy body, chakras, etc, for the first time I'm noticing, sensing, these locations.

When feeling a pulse in the chest, I thought , nothing unusual, I feel my heart beating. Now, if I shift the attention through the body, I distinctly feel the pulse at the locations that correspond to chakras.

It seems strange to me because, where ever I move the attention, I feel the pulsing at that location, and not in the chest where the heart beat is.

Also when you mention friction or interference, occasionally I feel pressure in the forehead during meditation, and if I simply shift the attention up into the center of the head, the pressure is removed. Or if I begin at the base chakra and shift attention one by one back up, the pressure is relieved.

I'm interested in your theory about phantom organs if you feel like elaborating, as it relates to our multi-frequency, multi-dimensional existence.

[Leo Volont]

the universe is expanding in all directions at an ever-increasing rate, so that all things physical will eventually be travelling at the speed of light. scientists are still trying to figure out where the gravity is coming from that causes us to increase speed as we pull away from the center of our known universe. that's how the ideas of black matter come into being.

maybe the black matter has something to do with what is beyond us. it's definitely an interesting topic.

No.  The fastest expansion was right after the Big Bang.  its been slowing down steadily after that, just as we would expect. 

the Intuition was that the Universe would exentually stop its expansion and then contract back upon itself so as to produce another stupendous Big Bang and start the process over again.  You see, this would solve the problem of Creation as we could simply exert the existence of a reoccurring cycle.

but Science needed 'proof' that is enough mass to suppose the Universe could exert enough central gravitational force to hold back a slow but never ending drift outward.  With the discovery of the Quark Particle and an estimate of its quantity, now they have more than enough Mass to figure in for the Universes Contraction.

But if we believe, as you, that the Universe is ever expanding, then we need to wonder where the Big Bang came from.  yes, some pocket of gravity somewhere.  But it is easier to suppose, as the Ancient Brahmins had, that the Universe expands and contracts to where it explodes again outward only to expand and contract and explode again and agaion and again.   

[iNNERvOYAGER]

But if we believe, as you, that the Universe is ever expanding, then we need to wonder where the Big Bang came from.  yes, some pocket of gravity somewhere.  But it is easier to suppose, as the Ancient Brahmins had, that the Universe expands and contracts to where it explodes again outward only to expand and contract and explode again and agaion and again.   

Yes , this is the idea I've been most comfortable with, cycles of creation and desolution, to include desolution and creation cycles of entire creation systems.

Some interesting current theories based on attempts to measure relative speeds between galaxies
Interesting because data from observations is still being interpretated and the theories are still morphing.

Kinda like, one day coffe is bad for you, and the next day, coffee is good for you. 

one of the google results from "universe expanding faster"
From http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/accelerating.html
"The notion of the expanding universe is related to a mathematical quantity Einstein devised called the "cosmological constant." He eventually discarded it, deciding it was a mistake. If the universe is accelerating, however, it means that Einstein's cosmological constant was correct."

[Tayesin]

From Zareste,

To straighten one thing out:  There's only one universe. The term can't be used to describe multiples.

I agree with your semantics relating to the use of the word 'Universe' and what it denotes. But for the sake of a simple conversation here, and not to confuse people, we continue to express the concept of this Universe being the one we currently 'occupy'. So once again we humans think we knew it all when we created such a word for the name.

No Leaf,
I saw from my direct experience of the Multiverse that each 'universe' is created from the touching of other bubbleverses. The touch releases enough energy for a 'big bang' and so we can see that the creative process is alive and well in the bigger pictures. I actually liken it to how we humans conceive a baby, in a way. So, I am wondering if each 'universe' is a being in it's own right so that what christians call god is really only the god-being-awareness of this universe we are in and that we are a part of.

[no_leaf_clover]

Wow, June 2003.  Tayesin, I saw where you addressed me in your post but didn't see any of my posts along the recent ones, then saw the one in Voyager's quote.  I could point to that and give you another great example of the universal expanding and creating process, on a much smaller physical (personal) level.  My own view of the entire "universe" (I agree with the semantic issue and simply mean "everything manifest anywhere") is a now giant fractal.  Who knows where it begins or ends, going either bigger or smaller?  There are probably even different scales of life all embedded.

Quantum physics having to be determind by probabilities comes to mind, as an asymmetry in these tiny worlds that conscious life may explain.  Even the time scale of electron oscillations around the atom, are to our second as our second is to the age of the rest of the entire universe as we currently estimate it.


Check out this Mandelbrot fractal, particularly the first and last renderings.  Zooming in, you notice different moving forms, until you ultimately come back to a tiny manifestation of the whole original design again, except this time surrounded by all the forms from the bigger fractal.  (The repetition of the over-all form happens more than once, it's just that the last one strikes me as particularly beautiful.)



I like to think of the smaller fractals as having themselves magnificently and divinely robed by what surrounds them on all the different size scales.

[AmbientSound]

I love fractals.

[Alan McDougall]

Yes there are countless alternate universes out there, making up all existence. During a profound near death experience, I found myself accelerating almost to the point of infinity, some sort of a force field prevented me from going faster if one can use this term.

What I saw was a sort of Russian doll like reality, greater universes contained within ever greater universes. and the same for smaller universes

On exiting our universe it became an almost infinite plane with at first no horizon and then a huge sphere geeting smaller and smaller until our universe became just a minute dark speck in the vast white light that is the breath of God

Alan

[Tayesin]

Hi No Leaf.. didn't know you were still here, lol

Yes the fractal is an interesting thing, but so far we create them with computers. Much of what we see in the world around us seems to indicate fractal geometry, with the exception that when dissecting the leaf from a plant showing fractals in its design, we do not see the self-replicating geometry at smaller and smaller resolutions. So I am not sure what to make of that as yet. It's interesting though, and the images are beautiful.

Alan Wrote:

What I saw was a sort of Russian doll like reality, greater universes contained within ever greater universes. and the same for smaller universes

On exiting our universe it became an almost infinite plane with at first no horizon and then a huge sphere geeting smaller and smaller until our universe became just a minute dark speck in the vast white light that is the breath of God

Well said Alan. I had similar experiences outside this universe where there were gazillions more universes, and the further 'up' into higher awareness layers I went the smaller the whole appeared to me, until all the universes appeared like sea-foam. After this things got a little harder to perceive clearly, but I did understand that it all continues much like the Russian Doll description you offered, so that at each layer you exit one skin to find yourself within an other, and so it continued, like boxes within ever-larger boxes.

[Alan McDougall]

Zarest

To straighten one thing out:  There's only one universe. The term can't be used to describe multiples.

Now how can you make a statement like that as if it were a fact?. You limit yourself to your finite mind , just like we all do.

If you mean the term universe is just a name we give for our particular universe OK. What about cosmos or the all  abrasive word  "existence"  Does this word limit us to just our universe or does it implicate a greater reality out there

Like Tayesin I know, I do not speculate there are countless other universes out there in "existence", some coming into being in one blindingly brief moment and others existing for almost eternity Physics backs this up

Alan