machine that does telekinesis

[paker7]

paker7, our civilization sucks. Why should I care? I
expect our civ will be replaced by something better.

It's possible that after the armageddon our planet would be a big nuclear wasteland, uninhabitable and dead for many 100s of millions of years.

Then what's the point of remaining an ex-smoker?  

Ex-smoker ? Who ? Me ?  

Is this some kind of an english language only joke  

Im a sportsman so smoking cigarettes (and lowering my natural testosterone levels) would be something incredibly stupid in my case.  

[Ybom]

beavis,
I understand your desire to make a pk machine, since the process by which a human does anything after it's first few steps isn't very efficient. However, I think you'd personally be best coordinating this effort and designing the device yourself, since you seem to want this device to be here already, on some level.

As far as your post about becoming a SIAI proggy, I find that whole document kind of funny. To me it says; "We're looking for the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best, and because we can't find anyone like that very easily or at all, we're most happy with what we already have. However, if you'd like to donate your brain..."

[MysticNote]

. In nature there is species consciousness. Humans have lost this, and I believe it is essential for the survival of the planet. Why has it been lost? Because we no longer reflect upon the big picture and what is really necessary.

Exactly. One must delve into the pseudo-record of history to locate the wrong turn. The western mindset is where the imbalance lies. During the middle ages, in Europe, science became respected, amazing people with its awesome abilities to predict patterns. Predicting patterns had always been solely the domain of the universally obeyed church which held sway across most of Eurasia in some form. In those days, everyone was deeply touched by the influence and thought of metaphysical/cosmic truth. Science helped to fracture this unity at an integral point in history when people increasingly questioned the church's power anyway. Science predicted the tides, stars, seasons, weather and more and more things that the all encompassing church had claimed complete interpretational power of. Thus, people slowly began to put their faith in science to be able to answer the ultimate question, the most meaningful question, "Why am I here?" So, largely for this reason, Science became what it is today.

    The problem is that, over the process of time, inside the fog of specialization and fragmentation which is the side effect of empirical study, people gradually, incrementally forgot why their ancestors put their faith in science. It is very understandable. It's just like the side effects of manufactured drugs, a modern fruit of science. Valium or Zoloft may make you feel better but they're not very conducive to oral tradition or coherency. Weak parallel but effective nonetheless. We took the road of science to understand how to become one again, to answer our religious questions. Today, with the sudden (historically speaking) explosion of specialization, general literacy and information on other cultures with their own numerous views on the ultimate, people have become even more removed from the original unified wish to understand metaphysical truth.

    All I'm saying is that technology did not start this split, it was partially cultural and largely related to the church. There WAS a reason to look down the scientific avenue, but people sadly forgot why they were looking and now largely go on automatic. Einstein didn't forget, I quote: "I want to know God's Thoughts, the rest are details." You see, in the middle ages, the whole race focused on what one must today search out an obscure forum like this one to discuss and THIS is what fueled the rise of science/technology. At least some of us remember on some level. Count yourself lucky! As a matter of fact, I believe the USA was basically created by Freemasons so that they could freely move toward the divine in their own way.

    I sincerely hope that the 100 Monkey Theory is true! I feel just like you do and I see how people became somewhat innocently misled. Aristotle planted the seed and it sprouted during the middle ages. The mind became accentuated and the heart retreated, but it was almost an accident. Now, one must see that even Crowley was on to something when he said "The only way out is in." Isn't that a fitting prescription for a patient who has gone too far out of himself? All we can do now is try to help ourselves, thus helping everyone by being at our best so that we can actually help others.

    If you want some hope, though, seach for "photons entanglement" on yahoo and read about Quantum Entanglement! Science is beginning to draw itself back toward the center.  

[Ybom]

Well, it's been an amazing trip if looked at macroscopically, however it seems very slow if looked at from a minute by minute perspective.

I think the journey outwards was just a big adventure, and I think even if we do get very close to the absolute, something will shoot us back outwards just like that. There is much to explore yet.

[catmeow]

Telos, psychic things are not caused by electromagnetism. That machine does not qualify.

You sound sure of yourself. What makes you think that?

I've done telekinesis to paper, aluminum foil, plastic, etc. I have a big magnet (4 cubic inches). When I hold or move it near those things (as they were set up when I did tk), they didnt move. Also if it was electromagnetic, it should be a lot easier for science to measure, so science would already call it fact.

As I said repeatedly on one of the M-theory threads, psychic abilities such as telepathy, clairvoyanace, AP etc do not obsererve the square law in any shape manner or fashion.  Hence these particular psi effects can not possibly be based on electromagnetism, which very strictly observes a square law (ie effect reduces in proportion to the square of the distance involved).  PK may be different, I don't know, since I'm not aware of too much information about PK.

I don't discount the idea of building a physical psi device however, but I think it would be more complex than a simple electromagnetic device.  Some sort of quantum device perhaps.

Somewhere on another thread, someone posted this interesting link which looks like a good start:

http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126649

beavis, can you remind us where the link to your wmv file is of you demonstrating PK?  I've forgotten where I originally found it?  Others on this board  who havn't seen it might be interested! Thanks!  

catmeow

[beavis]

Ybom

beavis, I understand your desire to make a pk machine, since the process by which a human does anything after it's first few steps isn't very efficient. However, I think you'd personally be best coordinating this effort and designing the device yourself, since you seem to want this device to be here already, on some level.

Lets put it all on me, one person, to create the most advanced device ever created. Yeah, thats fair. I know little about hardware. I know physics equations only superficially. I work with computer software. I try to point others in the right direction, but I cant do it all for them. I have my own projects that take priority.

As far as your post about becoming a SIAI proggy, I find that whole document kind of funny. To me it says; "We're looking for the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best, and because we can't find anyone like that very easily or at all, we're most happy with what we already have. However, if you'd like to donate your brain..."

I didnt say they were perfect. But of all the websites I've seen, they're the only one that even mentions the idea of a "singularity", let alone to build one. An idea I've had for years before they started, and not caused by any movie etc.


I expect if I ever think I've got enough projects to impress SIAI they'll reject me, and I'll continue on my own, and maybe form my own similar group. Its obvious to me no place already exists for making what I want, so I would have to make it myself. Good! It will end my boredom with earth if it happens.



catmeow

As I said repeatedly on one of the M-theory threads, psychic abilities such as telepathy, clairvoyanace, AP etc do not obsererve the square law in any shape manner or fashion. Hence these particular psi effects can not possibly be based on electromagnetism, which very strictly observes a square law (ie effect reduces in proportion to the square of the distance involved). PK may be different, I don't know, since I'm not aware of too much information about PK.

I disagree for most events. PK does often obey distance^2. Many times, when I've been extremely able to do PK, I've noticed movement in my psi wheel or larger target object, approximately proportional to distance. Not distance^2, but I can only see so far. The point is, I get less control with more distance, nevermind the exponent. I'm not sure what the exponent is, or if it is an equation completely different from  distance^someConstant. Distance matters in some way, and more distance means less control.

beavis, can you remind us where the link to your wmv file is of you demonstrating PK? I've forgotten where I originally found it? Others on this board who havn't seen it might be interested! Thanks!

Since the update of these forums, I cant find it. If you want it PM me and I'll find a way to send. I might look into uploading it again.


Like the conversion from Newton's laws of physics to Einstein's, there will be approximations along the way, but each must get closer to the truth incrementally. Conditions may exist where distance^2 is insignificant, but for most things close to here, it is relevant.

[wolve]

hmmm a machine that can perform telekinesis, might as well try to make a machine that will be artificially intelligent.

like telos i too have done tk on paper tin foil and plastic and am still trying to learn more (can't levitate anything as of yet) but i have only assumptions as to how tk works those that can do tk can't teach tk because you allready have the abillity they can only guide you into awakening the abillity.

so if no one can teach you 100% how tk works how can we program a machine to do it for us?

allthough i must admit it would be a challange to invent one :)