What is the Physical?

[Xanth]

Well, it's not exactly ignorance... it's just his particular perspective on the subject.
You have yours, and he has his.  Both are equally valid, because they are (hopefully) derived from personal experience.

All you can do is explain your perspective to people.  They then will choose too believe it, disbelieve it, or put it aside for now and do neither until further evidence is brought forth.  Nobody is ignorant just because they disagree with you. 

[Summerlander]

No, trust me, if this guy wasn't being ignorant he pretty much ignored my advice to consider other perspectives.

On top of that he had the audacity to claim that the brain doesn't contain nerve cells!

[blis]

Xanth always telling us how he thinks all our experiences occur in the same place got me thinking.

So I've been meditating on whether we might not actually be "in" the physical. Kind of like if we're each in our own sort of astral holo-deck somewhere and whatever place we project our consciousness into is materialised around us. By default we would be tuned into the physical and our bodies here would basically be input/output devices.

The idea was a lot more in-depth than that but it doesnt really matter cause it fell apart in places. It has had one very cool effect on my waking life though.

When out and about in the physical try convincing yourself it's a projection. Just pretend. Look at things with the same sense of awe and wonder you would in the astral.

The physical is so seriously awesome! Just as much as the astral. The colours, the lines, the smells, the weather, light and shade, the solidity of it all. The way it seems so real!

I cant believe I ever thought life here was mundane. I'm basically thinking of it as a physical projection now.

[Xanth]

No, trust me, if this guy wasn't being ignorant he pretty much ignored my advice to consider other perspectives.

Are you giving equal credence to "his" perspective though?

I cant believe I ever thought life here was mundane. I'm basically thinking of it as a physical projection now.

Actually, that is how I see this reality.  It's nothing more than "just another reality frame".
Labeling them as "physical" and "non-physical" is completely wrong... because, if you've ever experienced what we call the "non-physical", you know it's *VERY* physically feeling. 

Physical and non-physical are simply terms of perspective.

[CFTraveler]

You may want to look up the term 'Bohmian I-Max'.  You may find it interesting, blis.

[blis]

Hadnt heard that term before. Reading up on it just now. Looks interesting.

[Summerlander]

Are you giving equal credence to "his" perspective though?

I guess so. It's still a possibility. But I would have my own interpretation of "his" perspective still. If indeed things are as he says, then to me they are more like Frank Kepple's Wider Reality. The way Kepple puts it agrees more with my way of thinking.

[Xanth]

I guess so. It's still a possibility. But I would have my own interpretation of "his" perspective still. If indeed things are as he says, then to me they are more like Frank Kepple's Wider Reality. The way Kepple puts it agrees more with my way of thinking.

Kind of sounds like you both might be talking about the same thing, just with different metaphors?

Just a thought. 

[Summerlander]

I like your thoughts, Xanth. I know what you mean. Sometimes I don't know why people clash when discussing this business. It doesn't really matter...what matters is the experience in the Phase and how it can be beneficial.

[dotster]

Something I think you guys might find intriguing if you haven't already heard of it is Young's experiment (aka the double-split experiment). I'll let this video explain, as my explanation would probably be very long winded 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

This is a short clip from the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know: Down the Rabbit Hole", which covers some very interesting topics and experiments dealing with quantum mechanics, consciousness, biology, spirituality etc. in an attempt to tie them all together. If you haven't seen it then I would highly recommend it.

Watch the video and if you want to know more then watch the whole movie or if you just have a quick question about what else they talk about then feel free to ask (I'm in no way an expert but I'm pretty good at sharing opinions ). I just need to stop myself now before I write you guys an entire paper on all of the interesting things they discuss (and believe me, I easily could write a whole book it's all so fascinating). The cool thing about the movie is they leave a lot of things open for speculation, they don't say: this is how it is and no other way. They say here is some awesome info, do with it what you will.

All the best.

[Summerlander]

Ahh...the double-slit experiment. That's old. The electron can be both a particle and a wave. And then there's quantum entanglement and superposition which will serve as the basis from which a quantum computer will function. I can't wait to see this! Yes, reality on that level is weird. A particle can be at two different locations at the same time. In a quantum jump the electron can go from one orbit to the next without covering the distance between them (seemingly). All this weird 'behaviour' seems to be displayed in the Phase, as though our conscious awareness can travel extra-dimensionally and see/experience those hidden extentions of reality which can often be affected by the simple act of observing...hmmm...

In the end it's all real. Differently real but real nonetheless. The Phase may allow us to see the possibilities before they are manifest (and if they don't manifest locally, these ideas may collapse into alternate actualities - as in the many-worlds interpretation!) And this unborn reality concept, where things are not yet physical or actual, may be the limbo that many refer to as the "astral plane". It's the realm of ideas, of thoughts, of memories and anything the imagination can conceive...

This limbo may be where we, as a consciousness, do our sketching of possible worlds and events. Within such dimension which can transcend the space-time of our physical realm, we may access the personal and the collective. We are there all the time. When we are awake we are mostly unconscious to it but, once we enter the Phase, we become our unconscious that resides there. This may be why we are apparently able to speak to the unconscious representations of those we visit in Mode 2 OOBEs (Astral Projection) and the conscious version of the visited is unaware of this. Well, sometimes they become aware if they are daydreaming, meditating or even dreaming. I say this as a strong possibility because of what happened when I visited stoneZoMbIe during my Astral Viewers days. His brain waves may have oscillated in accordance to my focused frequency in the Phase as he said to his girlfriend during my experience that he felt funny and as though he should remember something or someone. In my experience, what I suspect was his unconscious was telling me that he wished to remember my visit...

I suspect the Phase can turn telepathic and probably in a few millions of years of brain evolution, as we near our physical entelechy, we may be able to use telepathy as a conventional form of communication during our waking state. Our mouths will be a surplus.

Sorry for rambling here but I'm just thinking out loud as I reflect on my experiences in the Phase state.

[dotster]

A particle can be at two different locations at the same time.

An entangled particle can be in multiple locations at the same time. Scientists theorize that they can be around 3,000 places simultaneously. I personally suspect that 3,000 should be a little closer to infinity though hehe.

In a quantum jump the electron can go from one orbit to the next without covering the distance between them (seemingly). All this weird 'behaviour' seems to be displayed in the Phase, as though our conscious awareness can travel extra-dimensionally and see/experience those hidden extentions of reality which can often be affected by the simple act of observing.

In the end it's all real. Differently real but real nonetheless. The Phase may allow us to see the possibilities before they are manifest (and if they don't manifest locally, these ideas may collapse into alternate actualities - as in the many-worlds interpretation!) And this unborn reality concept, where things are not yet physical or actual, may be the limbo that many refer to as the "astral plane". It's the realm of ideas, of thoughts, of memories and anything the imagination can conceive...

This limbo may be where we, as a consciousness, do our sketching of possible worlds and events. Within such dimension which can transcend the space-time of our physical realm, we may access the personal and the collective. We are there all the time. When we are awake we are mostly unconscious to it but, once we enter the Phase, we become our unconscious that resides there. This may be why we are apparently able to speak to the unconscious representations of those we visit in Mode 2 OOBEs (Astral Projection) and the conscious version of the visited is unaware of this. Well, sometimes they become aware if they are daydreaming, meditating or even dreaming.

These ideas are very very similar to the thoughts I have when speculating the concept of phasing!

I suspect the Phase can turn telepathic and probably in a few millions of years of brain evolution, as we near our physical entelechy, we may be able to use telepathy as a conventional form of communication during our waking state. Our mouths will be a surplus.

There was an interesting theory brought up by one of the gentlemen in the film I mentioned above concerning telepathy. His thoughts on the phenomenon were that IF the big bang started the universe then everything in the universe was created together (entangled) and therefore he believes that telepathic phenomenon could be a product of entanglement. Fun to think about

[Summerlander]

Telepathy as a form of entanglement from the Big Bang...that could explain it. You just gave me more food for thought. Thanks. So, in a way, we have access to the whole universe within us. It would make it holographic, wouldn't it? Every single bit represents the whole.

[dotster]

Every single bit represents the whole.

That's what I like to think