wow. whats it going to be next.

[Trancer1]

isn't it amazing how this universe operates? 

for the longest time in my mind i knew about Stars, Galaxies. mind boggelling talk of light years, black holes... estimates on the number of galaxies. my man Albert Einstein. things like that. thats it. anything else i knew to be crazy talk. period.  :-)somehow i became more open minded and became to except more possibilities. probably because i found it interesting. very intersting. then things continued to get more interesting.  the Big Bang theory, dimensions of space and time, doplar shifts, string theory, talk of a cuspping universe, infinities, etc, etc. the powers of the mind. the unconscious mind.  manifesting with the mind. law of attraction, quantum mechanics, AP'ing, OBE, etc etc. magick, energy, chi energy etc. etc etc etc.

i never talk about this openly among st people. most people i come across in life don't even know (or care for that matter) that a God exists.

wow. whats it going to be next.

[Catatonic]

lucky them they have us to think about these thingz...
i , personally, find these subjects rather interesting . questions that bothered people for centuries and stuff are still available in our dayz.. why not trying to give an opinion? 
sadly, though, we are all equal when facing death... so i think that's the time when we will know for sure the truth.. all of us

[Trancer1]

yep. that's right buddy.

[Sharpe]

Manifesting with the mind? AP? Magick? What the hell?
Everything you said untill talking about the human mind is right.
The human mind is just a gosh darn tool for evolution.

[Awakened_Mind]

Terrence Mckenna

-AM

[Sharpe]

Terence Kemp McKenna (November 16, 1946 – April 3, 2000) was a writer, philosopher, and ethnobotanist. He is noted for his many speculations on the use of psychedelic, plant-based hallucinogens, and subjects ranging from shamanism, the development of human consciousness, and the novelty theory. -Wikipedia

I don't get it.

[greggkroodsma]

Manifesting with the mind? AP? Magick? What the hell?
Everything you said untill talking about the human mind is right.
The human mind is just a gosh darn tool for evolution.

I believe the human mind is the total of all evolution.  In other words, the human mind cannot evolve any further with flesh.  It has done all it can do with the flesh. 

[Sharpe]

Maybe you're right, maybe you're not.
But, it still is operating on the same programs, from the previous forms of life.
So it's not over yet.

[SnakeDoctor]

sharpe, how can you say that when we use only half of our brains? scientist can't even imagine what the other half of our brain is able to do.

[Stookie]

That's a myth. We use all of our brain. Check this out:

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

I see evolution going towards technology. Just because we imagine technology to be totally man-made, who's to say that it's not a part of evolution. We are making computers out of living cells now. And we're not too far from connecting a brain to a computer. It would be cool to control machines our brains, or have a computer boost brain power. If telepathy ever becomes the norm, I believe it will be (at first) because of machines.

[Catatonic]

I see evolution going towards technology. Just because we imagine technology to be totally man-made, who's to say that it's not a part of evolution. We are making computers out of living cells now. And we're not too far from connecting a brain to a computer. It would be cool to control machines our brains, or have a computer boost brain power. If telepathy ever becomes the norm, I believe it will be (at first) because of machines.

This sounds like a book that i've read by John Saul named "Shadow". A school principal used to get in touch with the most smart kids around and then he would take their brains out connecting them to a computer, so the kid was the computer and such.
I've find it quite interesting.
Even though, talking bout reality now, this seems to be close...brain computers are still far away, no matter what we say, i think.

[Awakened_Mind]

Our brains have not changed physical form or make-up for at least 50 thousand years. It seems that the last 5000 has been a surge in cultural and linguistic ability. Sending men to the moon with no bioligical difference. Somethings evolving beyond the physical make-up of the brain. Somethings happening here. I'd agree we aren't at maximum capactiy but I wouldn't be so quick to state what percentage we are currently at.

-AM

[Catatonic]

then again... how can we discover this percentage we are currently at?

and why would we care, anyway? it's just a number, after all...

[Mez]

actually I think there have been some biological changes to the human body and brain over the past few thousand years... although my knowledge on this is minimal but I read the pituitary gland has shrunk? and that the percentage of lactose intolerant people used to be much higher but due to the continued consumption of milk and dairy products there has been a genetic mutation?? dont qoute on me that but I do find it interesting if its true..

[Awakened_Mind]

Well I mean more in terms of the development of the frontal lobe which is responsible for higher abilities such as problem solving. I'm a Psychology student at uni and I haven't yet heard anything about the pituitary gland shriking. Niether for the milk, the theory sounds plausible but I haven't heard anything on that either. Where did you read it?

I was talking more about mental development. I'd say telepathy is around the corner as well. The future to me isn't just clearer t.v pictures and more space on you iPod. It's teeming with new mental abilities on a collective scale.

-AM

[Catatonic]

awakened_mind, do you want to say that the new age kinda stuff is the next step?  things as nlp, i'm sure u've heard of it and know how it works

[Sharpe]

NLP isn't new age, it's nothing spiritual.
At least that's how I view "new-age".
Fifty thousand years of undocumented history doesn't say anything of the brain changing, probably.
I don't need to explain or prove anything.
If evolution has made it to the finish and the crowd is waiting for the afterparty, then this is the lamest afterparty I have ever been in.
The race is still going and the same principle will never stop, biologicly it never stops.
If a race has begun, it doesn't mean it has to end, if I take the metaphor correctly here.
No purpose means that there probably will be no end, or that's just the way to look at it, a sneak peak in a theory, unproven.
Like I said, it isn't over yet.

[Awakened_Mind]

Catatonic, NLP as in Natural Language Processing?

No purpose? Yes it's just 18 billion years of coincidence since the big bang. What is it with materialists? The notion that the universe appeared suddenly out of nowhere for no particular reason,is the most absurd notion ever invented. Yet materialists go 'well give us that one free card and we can explain everything else'. How can you struggle with the idea of astral projection when you believe in that?

The further you look back into time, the simpler things become. Big bang occurs and we have a high level of energy so much so that electrons aren't even able to keep in orbit. Then things cool and hydrogen atoms begin to form with the birth of stars, which allow for the creation of carbon elements and so on. Jump forward a few billion years the ocean teeming with life that has evolved from simple protein chains over millions of years. Life comes out of the ocean eventually humans evolve. Jump forward a few million years. Humans declare a nation in Egypt. The first forms of writing, boom in culture and languages and technology. Jump forward a few thousand years. We put a man on the moon. Jump forward a few decades. We have computers in commone households, we have taken our existence into our own hands with the development of drugs prolonging life. You need only look at the stock exchange to see how busy the world has become. Can you see how things are happening faster and faster?

First and foremost, IMO, nature displays such incredible systems of organised complexity say in a coral reef, how the entire environment is self sufficient that to deny it a consciousness is merely a 'reluctance of the reductionist mind'. What has happened over time is nature creates complex systems and uses them as a platform to create further complex systems. Whats important to realise is that everytime things take a sudden leap in evolution, each succession in consciousness if you will, happen in shorter and shorter time frames. This is not a theory - this is a matter of fact. All around the planet before global communication, archaeologists find traces of the first fires around the same time, likewise with the bow and arrow. Based on the current model, an asymptotic curve of evolution, the planet will undergo half of it's evolution in the last hour and 35 minutes of it's existence. I found that hard to swallow the first time I understood it.

It's not going to end in the sense that everything goes black and there's nothing at all. It's IMO going to ascend dimensions though, and we are part of that process. We are going to experience that jump, at some stage whether it be 2012 or 2100.

I've written a lot so I'll let you reply then I'll tidy some stuff up.

-AM

[Sharpe]

That is absurd.
I'm sorry to tell this awakend_mind, but I believe what you just said is ridiculous.
Us materialists aren't saying that it was based on luck.
The thing is, we just don't know, and we don't explain everything.
A lot of things are easy to put together if you look at it materialisticly, because it's black and white, just the way I like it.
But the idea of "why" it is here, the actual "reason", as we know there can be only 1 truth and only 1 reason for all of this.
We just don't know, and we (at least I) don't give any opinions on that question.
But we do know some things, the whole 1st part you explained is logic, it's black and white we "know" it happend so there are no "why's" to that, it's just there.

I find it absolutely preposterous that some believe the primitive beliefs of the Maya are actually true.
It is true that technology is going pretty fast, but it's the same as finding the formula behind a math problem, the moment when the pieces fall together, and that's probably what's happening right now.
We discovered electrotechnology so everything is making use of it.
THIS, is explainable, technology is not to be taken as seriously as it has something to do with the universe, because it doesn't.
We JUST find out stuff, it's nothing special.

But what's even more ridiculous is that there is an actual "date" for these events, where do people come up with this stuff?

I can believe many conspiracy theories about the Bush family, because it could be true, the illuminati, could be true, freemasons, could be very true.
But, believing some theories of primitive human beings having info of how the universe is put together is just nonsense.

I saw a video on the 2012 phenomena, and he said the world would stop rotating in 2003, he said that in 2006 we would meet alien lifeforms, nothing happend.

[Catatonic]

awakened_mind  NLP as in Neuro Linguistic Programming.

[Awakened_Mind]

Sharpe, I never mentioned anything about the Maya.

The reason they are given credibility is because of their astronomical understanding. The timed the rotation of the planet around the sun over thousands of years with changes in the earth's axis. So precise it is at maximum only 30 seconds out. Not only the earth itself but the whole solar system around the central star of the galaxy, and the summer and winter solstices. This is without the use of the telescope. Primitive human beings DID know a long time before we do how the universe was operating. The question is how they knew.

Well if you like things black and white thats fine, but you have to consider the possibility that the truth might be colourful, and in a more bizarre shape than you're ready to handle.

Mathematics? There's a guy called Ralph Abraham (mathematician) who in conjunction with Terence Mckenna (botanist/psychedelic expert) and Rupert Sheldrake (controversial biologist) proposed a theory of how information is released into the species when a certain threshold is reached. This is to keep consciousness from being overwhelmed I'm assuming. It's accelerated. Thats a theory of course not a reality, a model to try and help explain whats going on.

Materialism in my view, is true from one level of perspective. I am trying to see things from the highest possible level of perspective. In that view, materialism seems somehow operationally necessary for the species to navigate itself through the lower systems of thought. To lead us to quantum physics. Look at the structure of the atom in materialism. This is not true anymore, there is a certain fuzziness about even the most mundane parts of our reality. So it's foundations are being attacked and IMO, it's only a matter of time. If not with quantum principles already here.

"Technology has nothing to do with the universe." Thats like saying "A change in physiology has nothing to do with the body."

-AM

[Awakened_Mind]

As for Neuro Linguistic Programming, I think these are the beginnings of what we need collectively, a common language. Meaning and language are two different things. If you hear someone speaking say Hebrew for example, you can hear the language but you can't see the meaning. It is interesting that all our metaphors for language are visual metaphors "I see what you mean", "He spoke clearly". We already associate a high-level of informational input with our visual sense. Probably because we consider this sense to be the most authentic. At the moment language has built in dualsims which will need to be discarded if we are to move toward a unified future. I'd say that audible language will be a poor medium through which to discuss emerging concepts. Simply because it will lack the capacity required to discuss certain topics without ambiguity. This is where telepathy comes in. Telepathy is not to be regarded as "reading peoples minds", it's more seeing what people mean. Computers and virtual reality may play a role here as well.

In short I think that NLP will be a part of the overall picture that we are evolving toward but not IMO the ultimate answer.

-AM

[Sharpe]

"Technology has nothing to do with the universe." Thats like saying "A change in physiology has nothing to do with the body."
This metaphor isn't correct.
Anyways, the maya's could just calculate how the sun would turn, are you saying we can't do that right now?
Maybe they progressed fast on the astronomical part but it still remains that they didn't knew anything about the biological knowledge we have now.
So to say that they know about the future is ridiculous, if they did, we wouldve long passed that knowledge because we have better astronomical equipment.

And I just can not believe somethings can be other than black and white.
Didn't you remember when there were gifts under the christmastree?
I always asked, how, why, can this be possible?
There's a santaclause?

But ofc, there was a simple explaination, and this has occured to me millions of times.
In the end it's all simple and crystal clear.
If it isn't, that's when you have a problem.

[Awakened_Mind]

What are you on about?

-AM

[Sharpe]

If everything isn't clear and simple, there are simply no patterns and the universe is too chaotic.
Ofcourse, this would mean there would be no life at all, because there are no patterns, no program, nothing that hasn't got a pattern.
But this would also lead to matter being able to move free to anywhere without a purpose.
Without a purpose would lead to not needing matter or space or time at all.
There would be nothing.
That's why everything has to have a pattern and it has to be simple and clear.