Does God Exist?

[HilaryTalrechi]

Hey Everybody,

I believe God exists. Even though I cannot necessarily show "scientific" proof.

What are your thoughts on this? What is your best argument for the existence of a higher being?

Thanks,
Hilary

[moondreamer]

My idea of God is "the all"...that which incorporates everything...infinity.  I call this God once I got past all of the "big man sitting on throne" stuff I was fed as a child

[Volgerle]

I believe God exists. Even though I cannot necessarily show "scientific" proof.

Define "God" for you, please.

What is your best argument for the existence of a higher being?

Taking this literally, I think a lot of "higher beings" exist. Many reports of the astral, mental and higher spiritual worlds hint to that. The common source, which for me is a giant consciousness computer (evolving form a raw form of consciousness to ever finer levels), can be called God if you like so. But I don't.
God is such a misused and worn-out term nowadays. And it is fully occupied by the Monotheist Western religions, so that many people seem to align it with what moondreamer described in his post.

[Naykid]

Taking this literally, I think a lot of "higher beings" exist. Many reports of the astral, mental and higher spiritual worlds hint to that. The common source, which for me is a giant consciousness computer (evolving form a raw form of consciousness to ever finer levels), can be called God if you like so. But I don't.
God is such a misused and worn-out term nowadays. And it is fully occupied by the Monotheist Western religions,

That's pretty much how I feel... 

[CFTraveler]

Everybody has interesting answers.

Hey Everybody,

I believe God exists. Even though I cannot necessarily show "scientific" proof.

What are your thoughts on this? What is your best argument for the existence of a higher being?

Thanks,
Hilary

Since I consider God to be Everything that Is, Was and Will be, and More, I believe the idea of scientific proof is oxymoronic.

Cheers.

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[testing]

which God are you talking about?

[Naykid]

I think it is all gods.  And I didn't mean I thought there was some giant computer in the sky, I was talking as a whole...like how CF describes it.

[ether]

their are two Gods i believe they are called mummy and dad
thats what the Spirit World tell me

good luck

love all

[Volgerle]

I think it is all gods.  And I didn't mean I thought there was some giant computer in the sky, I was talking as a whole...like how CF describes it.

that's also what I meant .. ALL THAT IS .. IS ... THE COMPUTER
it computes itself 
it is not "IN" the sky, it "IS" the sky ... and everything else, including us as incarnated beings on this biophysical dimension

[DeadSuperHero]

I kind of adopted the Hindu perspective, which seems to be shared in this thread somewhat.

Essentially, I feel that everything is an extension of a higher being. I think essentially everything in existence is meshed together in this way, from the sentient to the non-sentient to the nonliving. The Hindu perspective states that pretty much everything is Brahman, and we are the Atman. The relationship between the two is like us (the Atman) being a drop of water in the ocean (Brahman).

So...yes. I do sort of believe in a God. In fact, it's this belief system that lead me to Universalist Unitarianism.

[Naykid]

that's also what I meant .. ALL THAT IS .. IS ... THE COMPUTER
it computes itself 
it is not "IN" the sky, it "IS" the sky ... and everything else, including us as incarnated beings on this biophysical dimension

I was saying that I don't believe it's a computer, but an essence or energy that makes up everything.  But a giant computer is a great analogy. 

[View578]

Hey Everybody,

I believe God exists. Even though I cannot necessarily show "scientific" proof.

What are your thoughts on this? What is your best argument for the existence of a higher being?

Thanks,
Hilary

Can something be created by nothing? Chance explains the complexities of various sorts in the Universe? Who knows?

Paul

[kailaurius]

Can something be created by nothing?

No.

Chance explains the complexities of various sorts in the Universe?

No.

[DeadSuperHero]

Can something be created by nothing?

By my understanding, it is in fact possible when one looks into Virtual Particles in Quantum Mechanics, which borrow energy from potential energy that is going to happen. Wikipedia has an interesting summary that goes into details. Granted, it doesn't solve the whole question of "Well, what caused that to happen?", and probably never will. No matter how many breakthroughs or thought experiments progress, we will never be entirely sure either way, from an academic standpoint. When it comes to Creation (or just plain old Happening), I think it's really just an issue of personal belief. Is it fascinating? Oh yes. But I think too many people spend too much time wringing each other's necks about something that can't really be experienced or observed.

[ether]

Can something be created by nothing?

for something to be called something (refering to nothing) has to be something!
everything is the same
as the saying goes what is below is as above
meaning all the same
so in my opinion yes

good luck

love all

[View578]

By my understanding, it is in fact possible when one looks into Virtual Particles in Quantum Mechanics, which borrow energy from potential energy that is going to happen. Wikipedia has an interesting summary that goes into details. Granted, it doesn't solve the whole question of "Well, what caused that to happen?", and probably never will. No matter how many breakthroughs or thought experiments progress, we will never be entirely sure either way, from an academic standpoint. When it comes to Creation (or just plain old Happening), I think it's really just an issue of personal belief. Is it fascinating? Oh yes. But I think too many people spend too much time wringing each other's necks about something that can't really be experienced or observed.

Are you telling me that from an academic standpoint, the future creates portions of the present?

Aside from that, if it does, that part of the present, created from part of the future, was created HOW? By chance, or deliberate somehow?

See, evolution for instance can be taken into consideration, but whether it was intentional or "automatic", (or through chance) is the breaking question. Automatic movement of material forming into extremely complex occurrences - though NO "supernatural" cause seems possible, if you take something such as infinite possibility into consideration...but is the VERY IDEA of infinite possibility nothing more than the human mind trying to make sense of something that doesn't seem to make sense?

This is the kind of stuff that can make certain people bang their heads against a wall, lol.

[View578]

for something to be called something (refering to nothing) has to be something!
everything is the same
as the saying goes what is below is as above
meaning all the same
so in my opinion yes

good luck

love all

I did not refer to nothing as something. The earth is "something". The human body is "something". The sun is "something". First of all, can we all agree that these things exist? lol. If so, ...NOTHING created something? How, if so? Chance? Processes from which nowhere and nothing continued, astoundingly precise and complex? Those are the big questions.

[kailaurius]

Processes from which nowhere and nothing continued, astoundingly precise and complex?

Exactly!  All is perfect, regardless of the infinite number of various human perspectives.  There is no such thing as random chaos or accidents.  Everything occurs as it is intended.  Universe maintains a continuous balance at all times.  There is absolutely no exception to this.

Nothing is ever created.  Nothing is ever destroyed.  There is no such thing as "nothing" or empty space.  All exists simultaneously at once.  All is Energy.  Anything and everything we experience is energy that is formed and reformed.  There is no such thing as a "past" or a "future".  Those are also nothing more than human concepts.  Again, All exists simultaneously at once.

[View578]

Exactly!  All is perfect, regardless of the infinite number of various human perspectives.  There is no such thing as random chaos or accidents.  Everything occurs as it is intended.  Universe maintains a continuous balance at all times.  There is absolutely no exception to this.

Nothing is ever created.  Nothing is ever destroyed.  There is no such thing as "nothing" or empty space.  All exists simultaneously at once.  All is Energy.  Anything and everything we experience is energy that is formed and reformed.  There is no such thing as a "past" or a "future".  Those are also nothing more than human concepts.  Again, All exists simultaneously at once.

Wow, so all that exists, exists. There is no such thing as "out", of all, because blank space ("nothing", so to put it), exists alongside all as well, because black space is something (black space), making it PART of all.

So if the true illusion is that there is no such thing as nothing, let's look at the VARIOUS ASPECTS of all.

Blank space, amongst things, is obviously of contrast to other "somethings". Do the differences result from deliberate or non-deliberate occurrences?

Meant or not, absolutely complex and precise occurrences take place. Are these the result of something "supernatural", at least to us, or it is all the result of PHYSICAL occurrences that Science has yet to explain?

[kailaurius]

Wow, so all that exists, exists. There is no such thing as "out", of all, because blank space ("nothing", so to put it), exists alongside all as well, because black space is something (black space), making it PART of all.

Yes.  Every thought, emotion, imagination, event, and every potential out of the infinite number of potentials already exists at this very moment.

There can be no "out" of All that Is because there is nothing else but the All.  There can be no outside of anything no more than air can be outside of itself.  Everything that we perceive to be outside of us or separate from us is just that, a perception.  It is an illusion.  We are truly One, no matter how cliche or esoteric that may sound to some.

Energy in it's native state is true reality.  It's not until there is a conscious observation that energy is formed into what is being observed.  The object or event being formed is then no longer true reality, but is rather nothing more than a prop that is used as experience for the observer who formed it.

When an artist moulds clay into a pot or statue would you say that the clay did not exist until the pot was formed? 

Blank space, amongst things, is obviously of contrast to other "somethings". Do the differences result from deliberate or non-deliberate occurrences?

The differences result from various perceptions, whether deliberate or not, based upon beliefs.  Objects, being of "matter", or events, which all are nothing more than energy, returns to it's native state when it is no longer being observed.

Meant or not, absolutely complex and precise occurrences take place. Are these the result of something "supernatural", at least to us, or it is all the result of PHYSICAL occurrences that Science has yet to explain?

Yes, absolutely, but the complexities and the mechanics of an end result are irrelevant.  The word "supernatural" is to imply something greater than something else.  There is nothing throughout all Universe that is lesser or greater than anything else.  "Supernatural" is again a human concept, or at the very least a concept that was conceived by humans on this planet.  There's nothing supernatural about any occurrences.  It's all completely natural no matter how magical and extravagant it may appear to the observer and regardless of whether it can be explained by science or not.  The Newtonian laws of physics are limited to the physical reality we currently experience and will never be able to explain anything beyond our physical reality.  Non conventional scientists have of course already realised that they have to think outside of the Newtonian way of thinking to get a better grasp of the higher vibratory realms to which the Newtonian laws of physics do not apply.

[ether]

I did not refer to nothing as something. The earth is "something". The human body is "something". The sun is "something". First of all, can we all agree that these things exist? lol. If so, ...NOTHING created something? How, if so? Chance? Processes from which nowhere and nothing continued, astoundingly precise and complex? Those are the big questions.

you get the idea of it from Kail
however i was assuming you were talking about in this time frame and more importantely this solar system!

  There is no such thing as a "past" or a "future". 

ive had this conversation for along time now with those above (Spirit World) and yes they do know as they do know everything is this time frame that we (people) need to learn, however they teach me how to know.
and i have to disagree with that one some could argue that im wrong but ill leave it at that

good luck

love all

[Alex-Anderson]

Life has a hierarchical order to it and perhaps that's part of our desire for a belief system in a god and for religions, and also for everything else such as organisations, governments, societies etc.

So if life and the universe follow a hierarchical order then maybe there could be a god or be it a formless collection of some sort of energy at the top.

But then again perhaps the hierarchical order is only inherent to our human makeup and doesn't necessarily mean everything outside of our world environment has to be waterfall model either (meaning there doesn't have to be some sort of CEO of the cosmos).  It could surely also work as a matrix where we report to our left, right, top and bottom meaning perhaps we are collectively all god like in some ways, and not something external to our control.

I don't know difficult to answer and I'm not religious nor have experienced anything different during my out of body travels to make me think otherwise.

[personalreality]

irrelevant.

[astraladdict]

Do gods exist? sure they do, just not the "god" humans worship.

[ether]

Do gods exist? sure they do, just not the "god" humans worship.

you got anymore info on that?

good luck

love all