Mushroom drug produces mystical experience

[Enoch]

Online and direct to your house not good enough?

[EqualThoughts]

lol no visa

[gdo]

I have been away for awhile. Sorry.  Have been busy.

Psychodelic drugs are a way of fooling the mind by way of biochemistry into a 'spiritual' (phenomenalogic)
perception. 

It is a shadow of what is possible and only on one level.  It is a trick. 

It is a dead end.  You end up right were you were but with an altered and probably misrepresented concept of other forms of conciousness.

Eating a bowl of oatmeal can be more spiritually unfolding with the proper attitude and it is actually good for you.

[Enoch]

The choice of drug makes a huge differance here. If its natural (from or of this earth) or man made.
Literally some drugs do through off you assemblage point and thus give you a taste of what can come. But i do agree it must be done "naturally" to have future affect. Drugs are only a window.
The shaman used them in the past to give humans an idea of what altered conciousness and dreaming is all about. But in the end there were many addicts as a product of. Drugs to the shaman were considered to be allies.

[Rodentmouse7]

GRRRR!!

this annoys me,
open minded people whov been taking mushrooms since the 60's have been saying this same thing for years but are regarded as "whacked out crackpots",
now because someone wears a labcoat and fills out graphs and questionaires about there findings, all of a sudden mushrooms and psyclobin are a subject of interest...
big deal boffins, this is not new news.

its YOU who'v only just found out about how amazing this substance is, if channeled in the right way.
shamans have used them for thousands of years but all the time they've been 'primitive' people..

oh yeah mushrooms are an amazing experience
and will definatly be a thing you'll never forget.. IMO having a sitter (someone sober to look after you) is NOT  good idea, because its harder to truly meditate and go inside the deepest parts of your own spirit and being if someone is there watching and asking you "hows it going"?? "can you feel it yet??" etc...
so IMO, do them alone, meditate with a buddha statue, and make the surroundings warm (orangey red colours)
dont fear weather your suddenly gonna jump out the window or whatnot, put it this way, would you do that kind of thing now?... if the answer is no then your pretty safe, mushrooms DO NOT make you lose your understanding of reason unless your already pretty inbalanced to begin with.

[gdo]

See my above post.   

Drugs are a misdirection of a good intention.

There are no shortcuts.  Plastic surgery does not make you younger it only make you APPEAR younger, for a while. 

But that is ok.  Just letting you know.   Decide for yourselves. 

[Novice]

I don't think I've ever replied to a drug thread before, but I'll go ahead an post this one time.

A lot of people swear by drugs (illegal, legal or both). And a lot of people swear you should stay away from them. A few hover in the 'in-between' stage of the two.

Personally, I have never used any type of drug and have never had any desire to do so. Actually I should take that back. I occasionally will have a glass of wine with dinner -- but this occurs maybe 5 times a year.

I am a firm believer that drugs distort the bodies natural ability to do these things. I believe that they are merely a short-cut and as such the results speak for themselves, that being poor imitations of what they attempt to duplicate.  I believe that everything revolves around consciousness and anything that distorts consciousness -- such as hallucinogens, cannot reveal any type of spiritual truth. At most, they may show the person that 'something' metaphysical is possible. But to me, if you know you are taking an hallucinogen, how can you be sure that what you experience is a reflection of what is possible and not simply some sub-conscious illusion? Of course, anyone succeeding at AP with a lot of 'baggage' (fear, doubts, beliefs, etc) will also have experiences that correspond to those thoughts and feelings. So in that respect I guess drugs do provide one possible view of the non-visible planes.

But to me, the goal is to experience these things with the smallest amount of preconceived ideas as possible. Only then will you be able to gain a glimpse of what truly exists. In other words, to see things without any bias from the experiencer. And the only way to reach that level, is to control the mind, both thoughts and feelings, not hand over control to a drug.

Again, these are only my thoughts and opinions based on my own experiences.

[psychonaut]

I could say everyone should do mushrooms. But I really don't know if that's true. The simple thing to say would be...if you haven't done it...you don't know.

[Nay]

I don't understand why people enjoy NOT being in control of their body and senses when under the influence of shrooms.  I guess I'm a control freak.

[Rodentmouse7]

I don't understand why people enjoy NOT being in control of their body and senses when under the influence of shrooms.  I guess I'm a control freak.

have you ever done them?
your not in control of your senses when your white water rafting, bungee jumping or parachuting.

a mushroom trip is similar, you ride something extraordinary.
sacrificing a few hours of 'sensory control' is worth this kind of experience

theres a BIG BIG difference between the word "drug" and "entheogen", cocain/extasy/heroin are drugs, they destroy you. Mushrooms are something 'sacred' (without being to conry) and are a million miles away from the image of a collapsed junkie in the back of an alley.

[Nay]

Yes, I did them when I was about eighteen.  My friend dropped them off and said, here ya go, have at it you two.  He failed to mention they take almost an hour to kick in and you should only eat ONE. 

You can pretty it up all you want but it still messes with your senses and you have to struggle while on them to "maintain"  I just happen to have a very strong constitution and I barely maintained... My friend on the other hand freaked out when she saw a woman in the next car smoking a cigg.  She thought she was on fire!    Ok.. that part was funny, laughed my arse off for twenty minutes because she was such a nerd..   I still say, keep it real.  It makes me uncomfortable for people to come on here and advocate..

[gdo]

There is no Shortcut for 'work'.  There is only what YOU must do to really SEE. 

There is no cheating.  Not really.  There is really the work YOU individually must do to accomplish what your goals are.  Each of you are different so each of you different work to do.

Drugs are a distraction and appease the personal ego.

[Enoch]

In this case i say its up to the individual. Castaneda had some very good experiances with drugs (that took a lot of work) to produce correctly. I broke so much ground in lucid dreaming after his books. after reading the teachings of Don Juan i learned more than i ever wanted to know about drugs. And the book proved to me that they were getting a jump start from what they did not a false hallucination. These by the way were not ever man made drugs. Peyote,gymsum weed being the two main ones.
I have not for some time done anything but cigarettes and beer but i do remember and there is a good guide in the use of salvia and other drugs. I think most that speak of them negativly just follow the doctrines set down by the government to scare us.

[psionicmind]

SHROOMS ARE THE excrement!!!! lol <---- if you get that internet high five to you! lol they serious are amazing

[Nay]

*yawn*

We don't advocate drug use.  I suppose it takes a bad trip or seeing a friend die to make people see, they are not the way to go. 

[Astir]

NEW YORK - People who took an illegal drug made from mushrooms reported profound mystical experiences that led to behavior changes lasting for weeks — all part of an experiment that recalls the psychedelic '60s.

The first and last time I took a common variety of mushrooms in a tea I had what most would consider mystical experiences. And quite a lengthy period of changed behavior that I can only describe as a normality I've never once in my life experienced...

But I am not supposed to be and to feel this normal, that is the main issue. I am supposed to be as my feelings naturally dictate. Chaotic...full of emotion. Likely insane.

It was as if the drug swallowed eccentricities that I believed as immutable as DNA...

You have to understand yourself, first, before anything in this world can help you.

I would not recommend mushrooms...and they're hard on the liver anyway.

[Enoch]

DNA is immutable.....lol 

[Astir]

DNA is immutable.....lol 

Are you telling us you can make alterations to yours?

[Enoch]

Its no differant to awaken dna than it is to awaken parts of the brain that do not work. I wont argue this because no one is going to change there mind. But yes you can do both by knowing yourself. The only thing keeping us from doing most anything is a belief that we cannot. What we are told and what is are two differant things. Just as you cannot cast spells or leave your physical body....Well yes you can. 

[Astir]

Ah. I see what you mean now. Earlier though, I was basically searching my brain for an example to help me explain.

It is just one of the things I like to think is concrete. Whenever it is that  (scientifically) someone identifies that a human being can change the actual structure of their DNA, I'll be a believer...as well I should mention, highly impressed. With certain things I just need a bit of proof.

[Enoch]

Do you think a dreamer completing there energy body is not subtly changeing there dna also? On the opposite negative side of the spectrum. And this is stricktly my opinion. Smoking leaves a dna trace and thus people that have smoked are more likely to have kids that smoke.

[psychonaut]

the spice extends life. the spice expands consciousness. the spice is vital to space travel.

yes i know- from dune. though, the first time I ate this entheogen was in the great sand dunes national monument.


plus..they're lyrics to a trance song named ambient galaxy by astral projection. you should check it out if you like an ocean full of sound waves in your head.

[Astral Projection]

psychonaut, you are everywhere

[psychonaut]

If I am everywhere, I am nowhere. That is so as to say...I am now here.   

[CFTraveler]

awaken dna

How do you awaken dna?  And how would it change?