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CaCoDeMoN

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knucklebrain1970, if you are refering to dead as 'constrained; limited', then i agree with you. Living on this 3d reality, we are very much limited to a lot of things. It is here that life is dull (well, it's not really dull, but if you were to compare it with other realities, then it is the most......dead). But if you are refering to dead as 'what will happen to you after you die' then i disagree. When we die, we will become more free, and life then will be more interesting. The 'dead' here won't be the same 'dead' as when we die. (Sorry that it feels like what i'm saying to you is absolute. It is not. Remember to just absorb the things that you "Feel" intuitively is right.)
I'd like to see those other realities. After I started interesting in occult and meditation my life become extremely enjoyable. Maybe that "dead" feeling is caused by the way people think?
MEAT=MURDER.

LittleNinja

CaCoDeMoN
QuoteMaybe that "dead" feeling is caused by the way people think?

Yes, definitely.

The reason i said this life is dull as compared to the other 'realities' is because of the limitations of the things you can do here on this world.  When we die, we go to another place (reality/realm/dimension), and we become free; free of the rules that bound us here.  Also when we go to 4d, 5d, 6d, etc., we become freer and freer with each ascending levels.

It is my belief anyway.

I am not saying that this life is actually 'dead'.  I do love it here.  I love the sun, the ocean, the trees, playing in the rain, running around, the good times, the bad times.  They are all amazing and wonderful. I love it.

QuoteI'd like to see those other realities.

Well, there are many ways to see those realities. (Note: These are not the only way.)  One of them could be astral projection.  Another is meditation.  and maybe suicide.  I don't recommend suicide because what's the point of living here on this earth anyway.  You have chosen this life to live in, and now you are giving up? If you didn't want to live here in the first place, then why did you choose to "reincarnate"?  I mean, just relax and enjoy what comes your way in this life.  It's all meant for YOU.

Have a beautiful day everyone.

Love & Peace
w/ Littleninja

CaCoDeMoN

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The reason i said this life is dull as compared to the other 'realities' is because of the limitations of the things you can do here on this world. When we die, we go to another place (reality/realm/dimension), and we become free; free of the rules that bound us here. Also when we go to 4d, 5d, 6d, etc., we become freer and freer with each ascending levels.
And what can people do in those realities? Maybe with less limitations there is less things to do?

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I don't recommend suicide because what's the point of living here on this earth anyway. You have chosen this life to live in, and now you are giving up?
1. How do you know that I have chosen this life?
2. Yes, suicide should not be used this way, but I do not agree that people should not commit suicide at all. Sometimes it's the best choice.
MEAT=MURDER.

sweetbliss

LittleNinja, my English (or my expression :? ) is not always so good.

What I wanted to say is that is it actually the same: meditation is needed, but can be replaces by a life lead in awareness, as you describe it, the same it is with the awakening of Kundalini, a practice is generally needed indeed and a good spiritual master, but the awakening can be a very spontaneous happening and it is not necessary that it takes long. It is the same, that's what I meant.

About how long does it take too feel it... If someone practices in a meditation center, it is much easier that alone. Because the energy is reflected by our hearts, so it is like love sharing, when you are on your own, you cannot feel to much. Awareness is also the same: if I read a book, I can understand it better if I have the chance to find somebody interested in it, to discuss about it. It also has the advantage that in a center there are people who can show how to clean and awaken the chakras, so it's much easier to improve. This is the best advice I can give!
And, Kevin, meditate together with your wife, if while doing energy work for her makes you feel it better.

For me it took some time to clearly feel vibrations on a physical level, because I had some throat chakra problems, but I felt it very much on the psychic level (peaceful control upon myself, independence, increased conscience, much more energy and a SENSE OF MEANING of life, because this is the part I had always been missing the most, even as a child). I believe that you feel it at that level of your being your subtle attention is more focused on. For instance, if you meditate on the heart, directing Kundalini to this area, the sense of inner unity will gradually install, and this is what you may feel. A nice sensation of open heart can also appear, or something like a cool breeze in the heart, but important is the sense of unity, if this is what you ask for.
:wink:

Hey, good luck everybody!

LittleNinja

CaCoDeMoN
QuoteAnd what can people do in those realities? Maybe with less limitations there is less things to do?

I don't think by having less limitations that we would end up having lesser things to do.  Why? Because when we are not constrained, we are able to explore more possibilities that this life cannot provide for us.  It will then be like a new journey all over again.  We will explore more about those realities and learn about all the uniqueness that they have to offer.  

I am not saying that this life in this reality is useless or anything.  Each of the realities, including this one, help shape our perception of the world to gain a fuller awareness of the greater workings.  We will gain more and more understanding about the universe that would then help ourselves (leading to helping others).

Quote1. How do you know that I have chosen this life?

I must admit that what i said were based on my beliefs of how the world work.  I know that we won't know for sure until that "final phase" of our lives.  But with my reasoning, i believe that we have chosen this life because if we did not, then all this talk about 'free will' from spirit guides, to angels, to other higher beings were all a lie.  

If we were to follow the idea of "our lives were forced to reincarnate", then life in general has no free will.  We will then have to follow someone else's scripted 'plan' that they have created for us. What, then, is freedom?  Freedom to exist?  If we were forced to follow someone's plan, then why not create us so that we have all the collective information we needed at the start of our existance?  Why must they go through all the trouble of sending us to one reality after the other; life after life?

But to answer your question of how do i know? I don't.

Sweetbliss
QuoteLittleNinja, my English (or my expression  ) is not always so good.

Your english is bad? My buttcheeks. :oops: :wink:

No, really, i think your English is very good.  I should be the one to say that i'm not good at it.  So far, i've manage to be able to put some of the ideas in my head into words, but not all of them. My thoughts are a jumble.  I think with me being an Aquarius might have something to do with this.:)

QuoteAbout how long does it take too feel it... If someone practices in a meditation center, it is much easier that alone. Because the energy is reflected by our hearts, so it is like love sharing, when you are on your own, you cannot feel to much. Awareness is also the same: if I read a book, I can understand it better if I have the chance to find somebody interested in it, to discuss about it. It also has the advantage that in a center there are people who can show how to clean and awaken the chakras, so it's much easier to improve. This is the best advice I can give!

Wow!!! thank you so much sweetbliss.  I have never thought of meditation that way.  But as much as i am intrigued by the idea of meditation, I don't know if i can meditate though.  Everytime i do it, i always ended up feeling sleepy.  The odd thing about this is that, I am somehow managed to relax my body instantly if i ever wanted to, but can't meditate.  :? LOL.  I'm very weird (funny clumsy weird)......or so my friends told me. :(

well, my love to everybody.

Love & Peace
w/ LittleNinja

Telos

Hey everyone. I just found an article over at a transhumanist website (kurzweilai.net) about reincarnation. It's bascially just a short dialogue between two scientists, followed by a forum discussion.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0609.html

Just some food for thought, if anyone's interested.

Tombo

Well I thought about these things myself quite a lot, I'll share some of my thoughts/experiences. They are independent so it may get abit messy :oops: (besides that my english isn't perfect..)

-I once had a dream when I was about 10 years old, I traveled very high up in the sky and suddenly all questions in my head were answered. It all made perfect sense, it all was perfectly fair. Everything is as it should be. Couldn't download the answers to my waking brain, though :cry:
I'll never forget that................

-Reincarnation: I picture a giant monster with different heads, every head is one consciousness. you are one head, I'm one head etc.. We forgot about the monster, now we believe we are all separate monsters, when you eat my food, I'm afraid I starve etc. of course this is all a huge illusion cause there is only one monster and it will never starve, it's heads will never get separated.
when one head turns around it sees the monster, it realizes that there is nothing to worry about(enlightenment) that it will always be united with the ones he loves and that it is completely pointless to get angry about an other head.
When one head dies, its consciousness will get sucked into the belly of the monster. There is a huge mother brain, which is aware of all heads at the same time, the "little" consciousness will merge with that all-embracing consciousness and all feelings of separation will vanish.

Or like a Zen master once said (Not word by word, though :roll: ): "Once you realize that every good dead you do to another, you actually do to yourself, and every harm you do to another creature, you actually do to yourself, then you'll become very friendly"


Now why could there be different heads?


-A couple of days ago a read a interesting dream diary of a guy that managed to lucid dream at will. (It is not even relevant if Dream diary is true or not.)

He has a couple of lucid dreams every night which are very clear and he has full control, meaning he can do what every he wants. Now, here comes the interesting part...........After a couple of months he started to get bored! He tried out all he could possibly think off.  He was like god in his dream worlds but it became boring quite fast:
So, He started to limit his powers in the dreams to make it interesting again. He deliberately gave away some of his lucidity and just let himself be carried away be the dreams. Which gave him new fun and experiences.
.............................................

Couldn't we (or our higherselfes) be similar to that guy? This thought makes me quite contemplatively. I mean, is it really that great to know everything and to have limitless power? If somebody would reach that state wouldn't he get bored sooner or later? I could very likely imagine that he would come up with a fun little game:
Put one part of himself into a world and limit his powers and memory's, make the rules that way, that this separated part will sooner or later return to himself again and retrieval "God-consciousness" once again.
No risks involved, I mean would could go wrong? Nothing! It sure would be quite a ride!  he would experience something he never could have imagined, limitations, fear.......The separated part would suffer, but hey, he would never be in real danger since he is indestructible and he will return to god-consciousness anyway.............
So the little part said: "yeah sure i do it! I can enjoy me limitless powers after that little adventure, so why not? Lets go, See ya later..........."


Hope you all like my little stories!  

Cheers Tom
" In order to arrive at a place you do not know you must go by a way you do not know "

-St John of the Cross

Frank

Telos:

Interesting link and a quality debate.

Yours,
Frank

CaCoDeMoN

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Couldn't we (or our higherselfes) be similar to that guy? This thought makes me quite contemplatively. I mean, is it really that great to know everything and to have limitless power? If somebody would reach that state wouldn't he get bored sooner or later? I could very likely imagine that he would come up with a fun little game:
Put one part of himself into a world and limit his powers and memory's, make the rules that way, that this separated part will sooner or later return to himself again and retrieval "God-consciousness" once again.
No risks involved, I mean would could go wrong? Nothing! It sure would be quite a ride! he would experience something he never could have imagined, limitations, fear.......The separated part would suffer, but hey, he would never be in real danger since he is indestructible and he will return to god-consciousness anyway.............
So the little part said: "yeah sure i do it! I can enjoy me limitless powers after that little adventure, so why not? Lets go, See ya later..........."

Hey! I've thought of exactly same thing. The life would be similar to a computer game then, without any higher meaning, with no right and wrong goals... This idea is fascinating...
MEAT=MURDER.

Seven

Tombo: Great post!

I know what you mean!  :D

beavis

knucklebrain1970 (first post)
QuoteNow my physical self does not want to reincarnate again.
I've had it with this planet, I don't want to come back. Sad to say that? Yes, but I'm serious.
Now if my "TRUE- SELF" wanted to come here to experience and I can't remember because I'm disconnected and probably never will be reconnected,

Your physical self cant reincarnate for obvious reasons, but some of its thought patterns transfer to the spirit all the time, so the 2, while mostly separate, are similar to copies of each other. My body agrees with you the most, but both my parts often agree. This is a screwed up planet. Example: I was recently made to fill out the same form 3 times and give them all to the same person. Each individual form asked for redundant info. How many times do they need my name on the same page!!!

QuoteDo you know how sickening it is to me to learn of everyone elses enlightenment's and astral travel and to want to experience it myself, but nothing works. I feel no energy, I can't relax.

When you get sick enough of the "natural" way, some drugs work very well. Try salvia divinorum, a legal drug in usa, and can be bought at http://www.shamanshop.net. 20x or more, smokable extract works best, but theres also a liquid form.

To anyone who is desparate to have an OBE:

If you're more desparate, be very careful, and get "amanita" mushrooms, also legal in usa. They FORCED me to have some OBEs. Beware the time loops. During the more physical parts of it, I'd physically experience the same 15 seconds so many times I lost count, each time a little different, until I could diverge the events enough to break the loop. At the end of each loop, I was jerked out of my body and put back in it 15 seconds earlier, or so it appeared. But there was also a large part that was more fun and in my control. You'll either get a small "trip" with amanita or a really big one. It depends if you drink enough of the boiled product (tastes horrible) to have an OBE, so dont take half a dose and think it will work.

knucklebrain1970

I use a pain medication once in a while for my back when it gets real bad. It's like ibuprofen supposedly and it's called ultram. I take one of those 4 hours before sleep and the body asleep, mind awake thing is very easily obtainable as well as the vibrational state and sleep paralysis. Lets face the facts here folks. Some folks like me, simply can not relax easily. I had about 4 days of vibrations last week, every night. No drugs. The ringing of the ears was very loud and I could ring it in and induce vibrations immediately as well as make my body go numb (asleep) within 10 minutes of lying down. This past few days, I can't relax. No particular reason at all. Perhaps the trance state will get easier. But for some folks, high strung like me, the only way I'm going to get a real obe is with drugs like vicodin and the ultrams. I'm not a druggie. I take like 4 ultrams a month for my back, just when the pain is agonizing. I'm working with NEW and trying to feel energy. For me it's a slow, slow, slow process. I have constant fear and anxiety and I don't find life on this planet easy as all. I am constantly in fear. I am a wreck in automobiles. I get panic attacks in the car constantly, for no apparent reason. I'm deathly afraid of getting in a fatal accident and being without my daughter who is 8 years old.
I have caused her great emotional pain by splitting up with her mother. I'm am riddled with guilt 24/7 and there is nothing in this lifetime that is going to make it go away. I see what I've done to her. I've made her myself. Though I try to instill good values in her and not get angry about anything and tell her to love everybody and have trust in humans, no matter what. You have to have trust, else, what is left? This doesn't have to mean opening up to the point of being walked upon. I guess what I'm saying is that I do all the things my dad didn't do to me. I am a mess psychologically because of 18 years of hard core physical violence (parents fighting) and always being on edge and wondering "what's gonna happen today?"
It sucks. I've seen every shrink there is. I've done every emotional fix-it thing you can think of. It's there and it ain't going away. This is my battle with life that I guess I chose for myself to deal with. It is not easy constantly being on edge. Klonazepam is the only thing on this planet that helps. I don't take a lot of it. About 1/2 of a .5mg pill per day. I will not take Prozac or any of that crap. I'm also glad that my daughter didn't see the violence I saw. So no matter how bad she is, she's better off than me. So sorry for rambling, but my point is that to relax, some of us need drugs. I hope the meditation will help me, but until then, if there is any hope of having an OBE, it's going to be with the aid of drugs. I was reading about the saliva plant (probably misspelled?)
I am afraid to take it. I hear it's like acid and I did acid (LSD) 2x in my life and it wasn't a pleasant experience by any means. I've also heard that that the affect from that plant only lasts like 5 minutes, is that true?

Kevin
BUDDHAHOOD - THE END OF SUFFERING

LittleNinja

Hey Telos, thanks for the link.  It was fantastic.

Tombo, that was a great post.  And I love your stories. :D

Nostic

Quote from: Tombo
He has a couple of lucid dreams every night which are very clear and he has full control, meaning he can do what every he wants. Now, here comes the interesting part...........After a couple of months he started to get bored! He tried out all he could possibly think off.  He was like god in his dream worlds but it became boring quite fast:
So, He started to limit his powers in the dreams to make it interesting again. He deliberately gave away some of his lucidity and just let himself be carried away be the dreams. Which gave him new fun and experiences.
.............................................

Couldn't we (or our higherselfes) be similar to that guy? This thought makes me quite contemplatively. I mean, is it really that great to know everything and to have limitless power? If somebody would reach that state wouldn't he get bored sooner or later? I could very likely imagine that he would come up with a fun little game:
Put one part of himself into a world and limit his powers and memory's, make the rules that way, that this separated part will sooner or later return to himself again and retrieval "God-consciousness" once again.
No risks involved, I mean would could go wrong? Nothing! It sure would be quite a ride!  he would experience something he never could have imagined, limitations, fear.......The separated part would suffer, but hey, he would never be in real danger since he is indestructible and he will return to god-consciousness anyway.............
So the little part said: "yeah sure i do it! I can enjoy me limitless powers after that little adventure, so why not? Lets go, See ya later..........."


Hope you all like my little stories!  

Cheers Tom

Well, I think that's how it is in reality. That's the game of life... the endless cycle of death and rebirth. The thing is... there comes a point in your evolution where you get tired of the cycle itself. Having super-powers is a nice little fantasy, but surely you'd eventually get used to them and become bored. Consequently, attaining super-powers is not the highest goal of spirituality. The highest goal is to transcend the cycle; to transcend the duality of death and birth, pleasure and pain, rise and fall, power and weakness... boredom and excitement. The highest goal is to reach a point where boredom or monotony isn't even a part of your consciousness, except as perhaps abstract concepts. The guy who wrote the dream diary was primarily interested in having incredible experiences. If that is your focus, you will remain in the endless cycle. Because it is inevitable that you will, at some point, have those incredible experiences (even if it's only when you die). And when you do have them, what's going to happen? You will say, well that was nice, but what's next? This is what suffering is- never being satisfied with what you have now. As you gain more experience, you become increasingly conscious of the cycle, and soon want to no longer be a part of it. Understand, it's not about what you have or don't have. Because no matter how much you do have, it will never be enough. The master has reached the point where there is perpetually enough, no matter what his outer circumstances may look like. This is the highest goal- to be perfectly happy with the NOW, and the now, and the now, and the now. When that happens, time loses its meaning (and time is the reason that it's even possible for you to get bored).

We have incarnated in order to know who we are. By first experiencing who we are not, in this world, we gain a level of understanding that was imposable in our pre-birth state. As we gained more and more experience and understanding however, we also became attached to the cycle of reincarnation. I'm sure it was fun for awhile, but the more you realize that you've now become a prisoner of the cycle, the more you will try to find a way out. The next step in our evolution is then to transcend the cycle... to go beyond our limited dualistic nature.

You

Quote from: beavisIf you're more desparate, be very careful, and get "amanita" mushrooms, also legal in usa. They FORCED me to have some OBEs. Beware the time loops. During the more physical parts of it, I'd physically experience the same 15 seconds so many times I lost count, each time a little different, until I could diverge the events enough to break the loop. At the end of each loop, I was jerked out of my body and put back in it 15 seconds earlier, or so it appeared. But there was also a large part that was more fun and in my control. You'll either get a small "trip" with amanita or a really big one. It depends if you drink enough of the boiled product (tastes horrible) to have an OBE, so dont take half a dose and think it will work.
Do you happen to be a reader of Stuie Wild?

Drugs are stupid, you can't even be sure what you're seeing is real and not some hallucination, with all the self-induced delusions we already have to deal with with wanting OBEs so much, adding mushrooms to the mix would be foolish.

LittleNinja

Nostic
QuoteThe guy who wrote the dream diary was primarily interested in having incredible experiences. If that is your focus, you will remain in the endless cycle. Because it is inevitable that you will, at some point, have those incredible experiences (even if it's only when you die). And when you do have them, what's going to happen? You will say, well that was nice, but what's next?

:P Hey, this is a little bit of a sidetrack from the topic but it is humorous nontheless. This was taken from a wonderful message group that I was in on yahoo.  The group somehow got deleted some times later without anyone knowing why. :cry:  

Anyway, at that time, the people on the group were discussing about the purpose of astral projection and all those stuff.  Then one person (a smart and wonderful guy who i really respect) wrote this.  I titled it, "Things to do in astral."

He wrote:

"Hmmm... I can go any place at all! Amazing. Let's try holding the universe
in my field of view. Ohhh wow. This is beautiful."
"Okay bored of that. Now lets try going to different time periods. Ohh hey
the future is pretty nice. Not too shabby. Woah! People can do that!? I
wonder if I can do that stuff too. Sure I can what am I thinking."

"Okay that was nice. Now lets try the outer realms of space time. Shaz!!
That was a ride! Hmm. Been through space... been through time... been
outside space-time... now what?"

"Okay performed a few healings in this state. Pretty useful, very
refreshing. Family liked it. Energized my aetheril body and opened all my
chakras, raised my kundalini and merged it with devine shakti... now what!?"

"Ok. I merged my astral sight with my third eye and my energy body has
become very lose. I can percieve astral signals within my body and see some
astral landscapes if I try hard enough. I can read cards before their delt
and heal people easily. Im a reiki master. Now what!?"

"Ohh... higher learning... I see... so the whole world works like that? Gee
who would have thought! So lets try changing the world around me... hey its
not so hard. Well I can make plants grow instantly, transport objects,
bilocate and read minds. Now what?"

"So all those previous skills were pointless? I see. The whole point of
graduating the human experience is what? Huh? Love? That doesnt make sense.
I've felt love before. Wha? I havent? Show me love."

"My eyes unclouded, I am.
Love is all there is."

*converts body to pure light and is one with all realms of existance*

Playfully,
-Grant



My love to everyone. :)

Love & Peace
w/ LittleNinja

Nostic

Quote from: LittleNinjaNostic
QuoteThe guy who wrote the dream diary was primarily interested in having incredible experiences. If that is your focus, you will remain in the endless cycle. Because it is inevitable that you will, at some point, have those incredible experiences (even if it's only when you die). And when you do have them, what's going to happen? You will say, well that was nice, but what's next?

:P Hey, this is a little bit of a sidetrack from the topic but it is humorous nontheless. This was taken from a wonderful message group that I was in on yahoo.  The group somehow got deleted some times later without anyone knowing why. :cry:  

Anyway, at that time, the people on the group were discussing about the purpose of astral projection and all those stuff.  Then one person (a smart and wonderful guy who i really respect) wrote this.  I titled it, "Things to do in astral."

He wrote:

"Hmmm... I can go any place at all! Amazing. Let's try holding the universe
in my field of view. Ohhh wow. This is beautiful."
"Okay bored of that. Now lets try going to different time periods. Ohh hey
the future is pretty nice. Not too shabby. Woah! People can do that!? I
wonder if I can do that stuff too. Sure I can what am I thinking."

"Okay that was nice. Now lets try the outer realms of space time. Shaz!!
That was a ride! Hmm. Been through space... been through time... been
outside space-time... now what?"

"Okay performed a few healings in this state. Pretty useful, very
refreshing. Family liked it. Energized my aetheril body and opened all my
chakras, raised my kundalini and merged it with devine shakti... now what!?"

"Ok. I merged my astral sight with my third eye and my energy body has
become very lose. I can percieve astral signals within my body and see some
astral landscapes if I try hard enough. I can read cards before their delt
and heal people easily. Im a reiki master. Now what!?"

"Ohh... higher learning... I see... so the whole world works like that? Gee
who would have thought! So lets try changing the world around me... hey its
not so hard. Well I can make plants grow instantly, transport objects,
bilocate and read minds. Now what?"

"So all those previous skills were pointless? I see. The whole point of
graduating the human experience is what? Huh? Love? That doesnt make sense.
I've felt love before. Wha? I havent? Show me love."

"My eyes unclouded, I am.
Love is all there is."

*converts body to pure light and is one with all realms of existance*

Playfully,
-Grant



My love to everyone. :)

Love & Peace
w/ LittleNinja

LOL, you were just waiting for the perfect time to pull that little story out of your hat, weren't you? Cute, real cute.  :)

Tombo

QuoteWell, I think that's how it is in reality. That's the game of life... the endless cycle of death and rebirth. The thing is... there comes a point in your evolution where you get tired of the cycle itself. Having super-powers is a nice little fantasy, but surely you'd eventually get used to them and become bored. Consequently, attaining super-powers is not the highest goal of spirituality. The highest goal is to transcend the cycle; to transcend the duality of death and birth, pleasure and pain, rise and fall, power and weakness... boredom and excitement. The highest goal is to reach a point where boredom or monotony isn't even a part of your consciousness, except as perhaps abstract concepts. The guy who wrote the dream diary was primarily interested in having incredible experiences. If that is your focus, you will remain in the endless cycle. Because it is inevitable that you will, at some point, have those incredible experiences (even if it's only when you die). And when you do have them, what's going to happen? You will say, well that was nice, but what's next? This is what suffering is- never being satisfied with what you have now. As you gain more experience, you become increasingly conscious of the cycle, and soon want to no longer be a part of it. Understand, it's not about what you have or don't have. Because no matter how much you do have, it will never be enough. The master has reached the point where there is perpetually enough, no matter what his outer circumstances may look like. This is the highest goal- to be perfectly happy with the NOW, and the now, and the now, and the now. When that happens, time loses its meaning (and time is the reason that it's even possible for you to get bored).

We have incarnated in order to know who we are. By first experiencing who we are not, in this world, we gain a level of understanding that was imposable in our pre-birth state. As we gained more and more experience and understanding however, we also became attached to the cycle of reincarnation. I'm sure it was fun for awhile, but the more you realize that you've now become a prisoner of the cycle, the more you will try to find a way out. The next step in our evolution is then to transcend the cycle... to go beyond our limited dualistic nature.

Wise words. But wherefrom do you know, why we incarnate?
I mean, it is a nice concept to believe that we incarnate to know who we are, but after all it is a believe, isn't it?
" In order to arrive at a place you do not know you must go by a way you do not know "

-St John of the Cross

Nostic

Yes, you are correct. It is a belief.

LittleNinja

Quote from: NosticLOL, you were just waiting for the perfect time to pull that little story out of your hat, weren't you? Cute, real cute.  :)

Yeah.  I've had that thing for so long, and didn't know when I was able to post it..............until now. :P  :oops:


Happy days to everyone.

Love & Peace
w/ LittleNinja

Tombo

Quote from: NosticYes, you are correct. It is a belief.

Now, I'm confused! :?  Did you edit that reply?  I could swear your reply changed since the last time I read it, but it doesn't say "edited" therefore I'm confused........... What happened?
" In order to arrive at a place you do not know you must go by a way you do not know "

-St John of the Cross

skydust

Quote from: knucklebrain1970Ok, Reincarnation. Supposedly, I chose to be here. Right? Well since I'm so disconnected with my true self, and no matter what method I try I can't connect, I find it hard to believe that there are 2 of me;
1. My physical Self
2. My spiritual Self

no. you are not separated from your higher self. you just forgot who you are.

knucklebrain1970

Quote from: skydust
Quote from: knucklebrain1970Ok, Reincarnation. Supposedly, I chose to be here. Right? Well since I'm so disconnected with my true self, and no matter what method I try I can't connect, I find it hard to believe that there are 2 of me;
1. My physical Self
2. My spiritual Self

no. you are not separated from your higher self. you just forgot who you are.

Alright, how do I jog my memory in this SICK little game of life?
Any ideas? Anybody? :shock:

Kevin
BUDDHAHOOD - THE END OF SUFFERING

Nostic

Quote from: Tombo
Quote from: NosticYes, you are correct. It is a belief.

Now, I'm confused! :?  Did you edit that reply?  I could swear your reply changed since the last time I read it, but it doesn't say "edited" therefore I'm confused........... What happened?

I edited it because I didn't want to be defensive. I was saying yes it is a belief, BUT... I thought to myself though, why do I have to go on? There is nothing wrong with it being a belief. Beliefs are all we have. Until you attain Christ or Cosmic Consciousness, what else is there but belief?  :wink:

scarecrow

Kevin,

It's a slow process. I am in the same boat as you. I desperately want to connect with my higher self but seeing as this is probably the most important journey I am going to embark on in this life I am taking it one step at a time and am doing plenty of prep work. This includes trying to resolve my anger issues i.e. anger at the world in general as this in itself is an attachment to the world and is doing nothing but impeding my progress. Also I am trying to overcome my impatience to "achieve" something as we shouldn't forget that the journey is as important as the destination if not more so.

I am no further along the road than you but I would suggest that you try to enjoy your periods of meditation and stop trying so hard to get somewhere. Also do whatever you have to do to try and resolve some of the anger you bear for "this SICK little game of life"  :lol: . If you can do this it will free you to move on in your spiritual journey, I am sure. In time (and we should accept that it may be a while) I'm sure we will both reap the rewards and find our higher selves.  :)