What Is This Place.....THIAOOUBA???

[rodentmouse]

its the name of the planet where that french  guy was apprently abducted and taken to by  the spiritually advanced alien hermafrodites who live there.  
They  tell him about the nature of the cosmos, the past, present and future  of  Earth,  other alien civilisations,  jesus, morality etc....

i really enjoyed the book because it agreed with what id see as an evolved society,  but  im a bit skeptical about weather or not it actually happened, i like to beleive so though.
you should read the book  at  http://www.thiaoouba.com  and see for yourself.  
youll also  get to see  pictures of the groovy Dr Tom Chalko- if you get the chance read his book "the freedom of choice" too.
both books  are good  reads, even if they  challenge any held religious beleif.

[m0d0]

I remember seeing a documentary about this a while back. From what i remember it was a hoax.

I never really did anymore research about the story so i don't have a definateive answer. Let me know if you find out the truth?

Cheers,

Mo!

[GhostRider]

You know what, it sounds funky but I did get the free e-books and I will give them an honest chance and read the book before I pass further judgement. Did this theory of his (the frenchman,Dr Tom Chalko)come from some other source, did it originate elsewhere or did it entirely come from him?

So, in the spirit of openess, what did you find usefull about his message?

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I read the e-book. I think it is a very good read. I do not know if it is fact or fiction, but I don't think it really matters. It points out the flaws with our current society, those things which are truly dangerous to us morally. Of coarse there is no suggestions on how to really go about fixing these things. It is probably because of this lack of information on how that makes it seem more fiction. I mean, what is the point of an alien race coming here, picking up the guy, and then only point out the things that are wrong with our society, all of which any person that opens their eyes can clearly see. An example is money. They say that we must do any with our current economy system that promotes greed. But how? Many people cannot imagine life without money. So it does not seem like something that could just happen over night. Why don't they offer us ideas on how to change to a moneyless system?

The stories they give on Earth's past are definitely interesting. I cannot say that I believe or disbelieve them, but they are interesting.

Read the book. It is well worth it. Then you can decide for yourself. If you enjoy reading a good story then your time will not be wasted.

[Nagual]

Some more info on
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/health_/michel.htm
http://www.meanwell.com.au/html/thiaoouba.htm

"Q. What about toilets on Thiaoouba ?
A. On Thiaoouba they use a kind of device that looks similar to our toilet, but isn't. It simply disintegrates the waste as it comes out - into elementary particles I guess. No water, no paper, no smell, nothing. Michel was scared that this machine might disintegrate his private parts..."  []

[Nick]

Hi GhostRider,

As rodentmouse mentioned, the website would be a good place to start. Also, if you use our search engine, you can type in the word  thiaoouba and pull up some previous topics on this.

By the way, I've moved this out of Obe discussions into our Spiritual Development forum. If you disagree, please pm me and we'll work something out. []

Very best,

[bomohwkl]

"no suggestions on how to really go about fixing these things. It is probably because of this lack of information"

Besides of the money problem, the other solutions of other problems are given by several examples in the history or alien worlds.

There are reasons why solution to change the moneyless society is not given.
When everything is free people just don't appreciate its value. Look at the air we breathe, the water we drinks.
Another reason our whole system is so dependent on money. How do you feel that if you spend the 20 years accumulating money and then suddenly worthless? Human psychology is an important factor. If we couldn't solve other problems, we can hardly be able to solve the money problem.[B)]
There exists a small community on earth where they have abandoned the materialism society and living life evolving around the community.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I guess one could say that a blanket solution was given. That humans need to evolve spiritually. There is the problem. We as a whole have to want this and have to work for it. I honestly believe that the vast majority of people on Earth merely desire peace and to live their lives in peace. But the few will not allow this to happen. You cannot have peace as long as there are those that wish to disrupt it, no matter how few they may be. You also cannot force someone to evolve spiritually. So basicly we Earth is screwed. lol

quote:There exists a small community on earth where they have abandoned the materialism society and living life evolving around the community.

There have actually been many cultures on Earth that worked like this. Unfortunately they are usually destroyed by other more aggressive cultures that are based on material gain. What is this current community you speak of?

quote:When everything is free people just don't appreciate its value.

Nothing is free. A moneyless system does not change that. People would still have to work. The difference would be that people would be working for the betterment of humans, animals, the Earth as a whole and the community as opposed to the individual. People as a whole would not be sitting around doing nothing all day. That will not work in any society, even one without money.

quote:How do you feel that if you spend the 20 years accumulating money and then suddenly worthless?

That is why humans must evolve beyond the materialism. And really it would not matter if they would look at the whole picture, all that money can be lost in a few minutes by any number of methods. Why do most people accumulate money? Security. In a moneyless system there is no need to worry about buying food, shelter, or any other needs. Money would be worthless but security would be increased.

quote:If we couldn't solve other problems, we can hardly be able to solve the money problem.

True. Money is probably the last one that needs to be changed as it would be the most dramatic. Changing the political scene in my opinion is the most important right now. But that would take a lot as well. Journalism would be easy if the people would demand better journalism. It would really not be that hard. With the internet we have so much information available to us we don't need the big corporations controlling the sensationalist news. If only people would stop using it and find more responsible sources it would have to change.


I really do not think the changes that are presented in the book are possible any time soon. I always wonder if the first planet they too him too was a glimpse of our possible future. Clearly it was done as a warning.

[bomohwkl]

What is this current community you speak of?

Yes!

Nothing is free.
Your physical body is. The air we breathe is at the moment. The ability of the atmosphre to generate rain is free.....

With the internet we have so much information available to us...

Only with people who has developed their own filter to find gems in the growing rubbish in internet.

[bomohwkl]

".....you cannot have peace as long as there are those that wish to disrupt it"

Surprisingly those who wish to disrupt the peace are usually those who gain SUPPORT from people. One of them is the political leaders. If people are intelligent enough rather than flowing the flock, a fanatic will never get support and would never have their power to cause significant disruption.

I think to change the system is to teach people to think .....

[bomohwkl]

There are several links within this site which is relevant in this discussion

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5433    Monetary system and Spirituality

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1031 Abduction to the Ninth Planet. Anyone?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1282&whichpage=1
the thiaoouba prophecy

[Avalon]

bomohwkl -

Actually,nothing is free. I'm not sure if this is what fallnangel is referring to or not, but we need water and we need air to sustain our physical bodies.  So, in essence, those physical things "own us".  Anything we think we own (whether we "purchased" those things or they are given to us, actually own us) and they come at a price to mankind if they are gone.  

The 3 things you believe are given to us "free" should be a symbiotic relationship, one in which the Earth gives us life and we return that gift of life with care of the Earth.  However, we humans are turning it into a parasitic relationship in which we continue to use the Earth's resources and pollute those very things in which we need to sustain us without giving back.

I would like to add that I completely agree with your take on society as "flowing flock".  The state of the world will not change until people start thinking for themselves.  No, I mean REALLY thinking about mankind as a whole.

[bomohwkl]

Avalon & fallnangel77

Or more precisely, I mean free of charge.For example,a gift is free of charge. The universe is designed such that if the gift is not appreciated, it will degrade.
The idea of "those physical things "own us"." most likely originates from the hidden fact that it has to be 'maintained' as if you have to 'pay' back. Am I right by what you mean by your idea of nothing is free?

[Avalon]

I cannot speak for fallnangel but it sounds like you got my point.

I don't think we will move past our materialistic society until we can think of our lives here on a much larger scale than what we do.

By the way, I'm no conservationist.  I have nice dreams of simplifing my own life though.  If I could spend less of my time on the things that I own (or that own me, hehe), I could spend more time on generating love and peace and my own spirituality. I find it very difficult to let somethings go though.  I have a comfortable life right now, busy but comfortable.

[bomohwkl]

Avalon,

I think the word HARMONY is the key. Living in harmony rather than living to 'pay' back'.

[Avalon]

bomohawkl  -

Yes!  Good word!  Wish I'd thought of it.  I agree completely!  Sounds like a pipe dream though, doesn't it?[]

[zaicer]

Just finished reading the book. Have to say that it was good. I dont actualy believe that this happened.
It was belivable but how do you explain that people no matter what race have the same organs and how do you explain the evidence that supports the evolution of Human spicies on EARTH. I dont believe and never believed that Human being came from space.

Another thing that I didnt belive was that Jesus was an alien. It was just to wierd to accept. I wont even go into detail about why I dont believe that.

BTW: I like ur ico GhostRider, good choice

[bomohwkl]

"the evidence that supports the evolution of Human spicies on EARTH"

Sometimes, I doubt the expert interpretation of DARWIN theory of evolution.
The evidence is as good as the ability of expert's conclusion.
The conclusion is limited by the expert's understanding of a specific subject. It is VERY IMPORTANT to know that our understanding and our interpretation are limited by what we know.

Let's say if the bacteria can evolve into human through billions of year, then who in nature will decompose the rubbish left? The whole eco-system will collapse. By still...observation shows otherwise.

[Meedan]

zaicer, I think you misunderstood what the book is saying. The book is saying that the theories of "Macro-Evolution" or "common ancestry" are not true (Common sense also tells us this). People have the same organs because that is how they were designed. Humans and Animals can - over time - use their intellect to modify the design specifically, for example to make it harder for predators to be able to spot you.

I'm just summarising here, I probably haven't explained very well, it would probably take a whole new topic on macro-evolution to explain fully. I recommend reading "The Freedom of Choice" - from the same site - to understand more on evolution. www.thefreedomofchoice.com

quote from The Freedom of Choice:
"Simply because the evolution occurs in intellect. Physical and physiological changes occur only when someone consciously LEARNS something. You have to admit, that learning is a process of intellect rather than of the flesh."

[GhostRider]

Zaicer... thanks for the compliment.

Now, I want to read that book again, both of the free books again that I recieved from the Thiaoouba site.  Now while I don't completely agree with them, I don't completely disagree with them either and I would have to say that I may be unqualified to really sit a critique the two works I read.  But I'll give it my infantry best... here goes the first of many congratulatory and critical remarks...

#1.)- Jesus being an alien is as possible as the other 'bunk' being fed to us by "propaganda-central".  I don't know if I believe it, but Darwin keeps looking more and more unnatractive.  I do believe that an "evolutionary" world exists on this planet.  I do believe that species evolve to survive and adapt to changes in their ecosystem.  And I believe we're no different.  But then, why haven't they found a missing link yet?  Is it because we only got the answer to our question "partially right"?  I'm just as inclined to believe that Jesus was an alien as I am to believe we came from apes...

#2.)- Philisophically, it's a strong piece of work.  Yes, it points out the painfully obvious.  But it's probably only painfully obvious to us, and people like us.  If it were painfully obvious to the world, yes, it would change, maybe only slightly, but it WOULD change.
 
I'll read some more and comment further at a later date.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:#1.)- Jesus being an alien is as possible as the other 'bunk' being fed to us by "propaganda-central". I don't know if I believe it, but Darwin keeps looking more and more unnatractive. I do believe that an "evolutionary" world exists on this planet. I do believe that species evolve to survive and adapt to changes in their ecosystem. And I believe we're no different. But then, why haven't they found a missing link yet? Is it because we only got the answer to our question "partially right"? I'm just as inclined to believe that Jesus was an alien as I am to believe we came from apes...

If you believe the book then technically humans are aliens, as it states our ancestors are from another planet so we are not native to Earth. Which would also explain why we cannot find a missing link, because it would be on another planet which is now uninhabitable.
My memory is a little fuzzy on this part so correct me if I am wrong. In the book I believe it says that Jesus was human, but he had a Thiaooubian "soul". He was Thiaooubian but died as one and reincarnated as an Earthling.

The misconception with the theory of evolution is that people seem to think that Humans are the highest form and everything is to evolve to humans. This is just not correct. Things evolve to adapt and change to be most effiecent for them in their invironment. Bacteria will probably always be bacteria like. They have a system that works best for them. But they will change and they do. Just look at the new diseases that we see pop up every now and then such as new flu strains and SARS.

quote: What is this current community you speak of?

Yes!

Umm what?? It was not a yes or no question! lol

quote:With the internet we have so much information available to us...

Only with people who has developed their own filter to find gems in the growing rubbish in internet.

But it is there. People just have to look.

quote:Nothing is free.
Your physical body is. The air we breathe is at the moment. The ability of the atmosphre to generate rain is free.....

I am not talking about money. Everything comes from some where. My physical body comes from the labors of my parents. [] Then the food they ate, the air they breathed, etc. Now it still is costing me, as I still must eat and breathe, etc. The air is not free. The plants must make the air. They had to work. I breathe the air and make carbon dioxide for the planets. We both do our part. Everything we use and need comes from somewhere and is not free. It is all part of the system which has developed.

[zaicer]

quote:Originally posted by Meedan

zaicer, I think you misunderstood what the book is saying. The book is saying that the theories of "Macro-Evolution" or "common ancestry" are not true (Common sense also tells us this). People have the same organs because that is how they were designed. Humans and Animals can - over time - use their intellect to modify the design specifically, for example to make it harder for predators to be able to spot you.

quote from The Freedom of Choice:
"Simply because the evolution occurs in intellect. Physical and physiological changes occur only when someone consciously LEARNS something. You have to admit, that learning is a process of intellect rather than of the flesh."

In the book there is nothing saying that Human beings were engenired. It says that they came from diferent planets.
The evolution theory is good and it does hold together. The small bacteria joind together, started to live in colonies and slowly developed into worms or something like that, then they evolved step by step. Not all bacteria evolved, only a small group. Fast faward, we have the ape-like animals who later evolved into humans. They were forced to evolv into more inteligent beings becouse their envorionment coused them to do so. Maybe you know but just in case I will remind you that the human species that we are today came out of the desert in Africa where they were forced to think to survive. I read "The freedom of choice" I agree with the idea of mental grouth prociding physical grouth. That is why the people evolved biger brains, becouse they used them. That is also why ant-eaters are what they are. They learned to eat ants and so they elolved in that direction.

Also I think that the high-self has something to do with evolution, it is not soly left to us, and what we think.


But still I dont think that human beings came from space. They might have gone there in the distant past, and then their civilization was lost (Atlantis) but we are not from out there.

I agree with the general concepts of the "Thiaoouba Prophecy" but I dont think it real happened. I guess that I belong to the first group of readers

[Meedan]

quote:Originally posted by zaicer



In the book there is nothing saying that Human beings were engenired. It says that they came from diferent planets.
The evolution theory is good and it does hold together. The small bacteria joind together, started to live in colonies and slowly developed into worms or something like that, then they evolved step by step. Not all bacteria evolved, only a small group. Fast faward, we have the ape-like animals who later evolved into humans.

I am saying that macro-evolution does not happen on ANY planet. The book does suggest that macro-evolution is not true - on any planet. As far as I can remember, it was a whole different 'force' that the great spirit used to created humans. The Thiaooubians also explain that their intellects can create animals, human bodies etc in very short periods of time, they don't try to use bacteria and wait until they become humans.

[GhostRider]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:#1.)- Jesus being an alien is as possible as the other 'bunk' being fed to us by "propaganda-central". I don't know if I believe it, but Darwin keeps looking more and more unnatractive. I do believe that an "evolutionary" world exists on this planet. I do believe that species evolve to survive and adapt to changes in their ecosystem. And I believe we're no different. But then, why haven't they found a missing link yet? Is it because we only got the answer to our question "partially right"? I'm just as inclined to believe that Jesus was an alien as I am to believe we came from apes...

quote:
If you believe the book then technically humans are aliens, as it states our ancestors are from another planet so we are not native to Earth. Which would also explain why we cannot find a missing link, because it would be on another planet which is now uninhabitable.
My memory is a little fuzzy on this part so correct me if I am wrong. In the book I believe it says that Jesus was human, but he had a Thiaooubian "soul". He was Thiaooubian but died as one and reincarnated as an Earthling.

The misconception with the theory of evolution is that people seem to think that Humans are the highest form and everything is to evolve to humans. This is just not correct. Things evolve to adapt and change to be most effiecent for them in their invironment. Bacteria will probably always be bacteria like. They have a system that works best for them. But they will change and they do. Just look at the new diseases that we see pop up every now and then such as new flu strains and SARS.

I didn't say that Humans were the highest form of evolution and I don't think it's wise to generalize on a group of people responding to you when there could just as easily be 100,000 different variations on the same viewpoint as there was respondants.  Now that being said, if you know that things evolve to adapt and change to be the most effecient form of life that they can possibly be within the environment they exist in... what's to stop an organism, sentient or otherwise from evolving the means to leave it's environment when it needs to or chooses to?  What's to say we DIDN"T come from the stars?  I don't know where we came from, but I do know this, I know enough to be able to confidentally say I DON"T know where we came from and neither do you.  Untill we find some great evidence that proves one way or another what the origins of the human species are it's foolhardy to rule out any reasonably thought-out theorem either.

quote:Nothing is free.
Your physical body is. The air we breathe is at the moment. The ability of the atmosphre to generate rain is free.....

I am not talking about money. Everything comes from some where. My physical body comes from the labors of my parents. [] Then the food they ate, the air they breathed, etc. Now it still is costing me, as I still must eat and breathe, etc. The air is not free. The plants must make the air. They had to work. I breathe the air and make carbon dioxide for the planets. We both do our part. Everything we use and need comes from somewhere and is not free. It is all part of the system which has developed.

On this it seems that we agree.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:I didn't say that Humans were the highest form of evolution and I don't think it's wise to generalize on a group of people responding to you when there could just as easily be 100,000 different variations on the same viewpoint as there was respondants. Now that being said, if you know that things evolve to adapt and change to be the most effecient form of life that they can possibly be within the environment they exist in... what's to stop an organism, sentient or otherwise from evolving the means to leave it's environment when it needs to or chooses to? What's to say we DIDN"T come from the stars? I don't know where we came from, but I do know this, I know enough to be able to confidentally say I DON"T know where we came from and neither do you. Untill we find some great evidence that proves one way or another what the origins of the human species are it's foolhardy to rule out any reasonably thought-out theorem either.

I did not mean to sound like everyone thinks that humans are the goal of evolution. I was just making the statement for those that do think that. We are very much in agreement. I do not know where we came from, nor do I try to come off like I do. I am merely stating what the theory of evolution is to avoid confusion. I have given up trying to figure out where we came from a long time ago. I does not matter really, though it would be nice to know. Take the facts at hand and form the best conclusion and accept it as a theory until it can be proven true. Not much else one can do and certainly no point in worrying about it.