Would I be able to not come back?

[Vanessa]

Since I've found out much about other dimensions and of things that isn't relevant in this World wouldn't my mission on Earth be almost done?
If so, if I killed myself would I keep my coinsiousness of this life and be able to not come back to Earth to relearn something?

[Szaxx]

That is one of humanities greatest questions.
At present, too many don't even think there's an afterlife. If it hit them in the face they'd totally ignore it and maybe turn mad.
It's too much for most to accept as GREED is their best possession and this may be used if it exists. Their fear of this is removed if they deny its existance.
Now you see the folly.
This is why our art gets little attention.
One day...

[LightBeam]

Since I've found out much about other dimensions and of things that isn't relevant in this World wouldn't my mission on Earth be almost done?
If so, if I killed myself would I keep my coinsiousness of this life and be able to not come back to Earth to relearn something?

Learning that there are other dimensions is a simple task. I doubt that was your mission and why have you entered this reality. Things are much more complicated than that. Forcing a permanent exit means that you cant deal with certain things, and this is why it is most likely that you will return to lean how to. Just my opinion.

[Vanessa]

LightBeam ofc I know that and I've learned alot more than just that but I can't write down Everything that would be a long list. But I mean to just have this knowledge shouldn't you in someway be able to choose your way and become an independent universal being. I mean the people who don't even realise this fact just seem to pass on to Another Life, that's not something I know but asume.

Btw if what I want in my heart is a permanent exit would'nt a part of my mission be to find Peace in this World and maybe get a bit of this Peace to exit by OBE at night to enjoy the other stuff at night?

WOW, seems hard to not kill yourself with intent if you want to pass by to get to the other dimensions cuz the goal is to deal with these "certain things".

[Szaxx]

There's a lot of sad entities on the other side. Some.are stuck in a loop. They re-live their mistake over and over. It's not worth taking a leap to the unknown until you have done the chores set out in life first.
Too many lost souls need retrieving because of this crime of passion.
They get stuck in some false belief and it then takes control of their existance.
Its not a nice thing to feel too. Being inside some entities thoughts to try and solve their dilemma so they can listen to the truth.
I did a retrieval this week.
Read the link. His position isn't the same as others. Try and understand, there's no way out till you've learned.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/one_on_one_retrieval-t43359.0.html;msg338184#msg338184

[Lionheart]

 Sammie, just when you think you know something, you find out you, that was just the tip of the iceberg.

What if your mission here was to become conscious of these other Dimensions so that one day when you passed away of natural cause, you could become some kind of Teacher or aide in the NPR itself.

By turning this physical life off for good, you may jump the gun on your true direction.

Just when I think I know what's going on there, I find out I really know nothing. But, I do feel inside that there is a "higher purpose" behind the people that can AP consciously aware. I believe we are being taught to be some kind of NPR teacher or aide.

There are many of the same personality traits found in people that are successful with this. Some I have noticed are a very high anxiety, many are loners, many are observers of Humanity. Almost all of them are aides of some kind, shape or form. They are people that want to help others, either by Healing, bringing Peace to the World, etc. They likely sleep lightly or have a sleep disorder of some kind. They are kind and gentle people for the most part. They are doers, not sayers.

I have noticed quite a few of these similarities while searching posts on the Astral Pulse and other AP forums. I haven't read in a book by any of the famous Authors about any similarities in the people that are successful with AP. They all say everyone can do this consciously aware and I don't believe that at all. I used to, but I have done my own testing with others and I see that's not the case. So many people are so deeply rooted in the Physical that they can't even begin to fathom that something lies beyond it. When or if they awaken in a Dream, it is immediately dismissed as just a Dream. The purpose totally alludes them.

[CFTraveler]

To tell you the truth, I don't think we incarnate here to become aware of 'there'.  We were there before and go there afterwards.  Yet there is anecdotal evidence that no matter what, people keep going back and forth between realities.  Some believe that the whole point is to fully experience 'here' and somehow bring it 'there'- others believe that we're supposed to experience 'there' from here and then bring it over 'there'.  I don't know what the answer is, but it seems to me to force an exit is a waste of time, since the negative emotions associated with judging 'here' as pointless are enough to cause one to need to come back to resolve them, if this is the case.
I think someone said that the best way to go through something is to go through it.
I'm just sayin'.

[Volgerle]

You might be here because this is the hardest training ground you can imagine, so you can evolve as a consciousness here. Author W. Buhlman says that by far not everyone is so daring to come here. It's hard down here, very hard. The channelled entity Bashar says the same: that we are actually cherished and 'admired' here by those who did not (dare) come and who only are watching us. It is a reason to be happy because we are courageous souls!  

[Astralzombie]

Since I've found out much about other dimensions and of things that isn't relevant in this World wouldn't my mission on Earth be almost done?
If so, if I killed myself would I keep my coinsiousness of this life and be able to not come back to Earth to relearn something?

Many people believe, as do I, that our main purpose as consciousness is to learn how to love unconditionally. I know that sounds hokey like some new age hippy crap but it makes sense to me. The concept goes much deeper than that and I don't pretend to understand it all or much of it for that matter.

To truly love unconditionally means you don't have to forgive someone because you never held any contempt against them in the first place. It means not judging other people or wanting revenge or seeking justice. This doesn't mean that we should just let murderers and rapists roam free in society as we do need order civility to enjoy life as well.

Can you imagine how many lifetimes, human or otherwise, that it would take to learn that. It doesn't even seem possible to forgive a child murderer, much less love them.

To me, karma is playing your part in helping others learn the lessons that it takes to reach unconditional love. This means that you may lose your child to a murderer in this lifetime and in the next, you are the child murderer. I'm sorry to be using such an extreme example and I pray that no one is reading this that has had to deal with any issue like this.

In order to evolve, someone has to be the bad guy. That's just the way it is.

If my belief is anywhere close to being true than that means I still have many reincarnations to go because I would personally love to rip the heart out of a child murderer.

No good person wants to think that they are capable of doing horrible things in this lifetime or any other but if the some of the lessons that I have learned while OOB are true, than that's just the way it is.

Again, I apologize for my extreme examples and hope that no one reading this has had to suffer anything like I mentioned.

[Xanth]

Since I've found out much about other dimensions and of things that isn't relevant in this World wouldn't my mission on Earth be almost done?
If so, if I killed myself would I keep my consciousnesses of this life and be able to not come back to Earth to relearn something?

If you want my honest opinion?

Your question tells me that you still have a very long way to go and much to learn while physical.

[soarin12]

To me, karma is playing your part in helping others learn the lessons that it takes to reach unconditional love. This means that you may lose your child to a murderer in this lifetime and in the next, you are the child murderer. I'm sorry to be using such an extreme example and I pray that no one is reading this that has had to deal with any issue like this.

In order to evolve, someone has to be the bad guy. That's just the way it is.

I'm wondering.  Do you mean that a good hearted person in this life could literally 'sign up' to be a child murderer in their next life in order to do their part in helping someone to learn unconditional love?  It seems right to me that once a person has learned some empathy in this life and has rejected hate that they would never purposefully go backwards and commit a hateful act in the next life.  I agree that we're all here to learn unconditional love, but aren't there already tons of people here that play the 'bad guy' simply because they had bad lives here, hate rubbed off on them from others, and they made bad choices?  For people to deliberately choose to play that part when they KNOW it's wrong seems to take right vs. wrong to a whole new very disturbing level to me.

If I've understood your position correctly, I was wondering if you would mind sharing some OBEs that lead you to that conclusion.  If I didn't get it right, apologies!  At any rate I'm not trying to put down your beliefs, Astralzombie, so I hope I didn't offend you.  I'm just curious about this and would love to discuss.

[Astralzombie]

Of course you did not offend me and once again I did not make myself clear. Understand that this is how I have come to see it and I do not expect nor do I want to convert anyone into my way of thinking.

I'm wondering.  Do you mean that a good hearted person in this life could literally 'sign up' to be a child murderer in their next life in order to do their part in helping someone to learn unconditional love?  It seems right to me that once a person has learned some empathy in this life and has rejected hate that they would never purposefully go backwards and commit a hateful act in the next life.

From what I have experienced and seen while OOB, souls view physical life much different there, especially advanced souls. They know that death is just an illusion and that it takes many different experiences to evolve towards unconditional love.

I know that it seems counter to a soul/spirit/consciousness (I'm gonna go with soul just because it is the shortest to spell, call me lazy) that is evolving into a being of love to become a murderer in their next reincarnation. They do not see this as going backwards, they see this as an act of love.

I will use a couple of cheesy examples.

Imagine if you will, a bunch of good souls hanging around and then they get the word that they need someone to reincarnate as a serial killer. Of course no advanced soul would want to do such a thing but say one steps up to the plate to spare the other good souls from having to be the one.

In a scenario such as this, they are making a huge sacrifice to spare the others from having to do such horrible things. Their higher self is making the agreement so that others are spared having to do so. Can you imagine how hard it would be for a very kind and loving soul to agree to such a life?

Naturally, once they have reincarnated, they have no knowledge that it is their destiny to destroy the lives of many people and grow up to be the piece of crap that goes on to do such horrible things.

I agree that we're all here to learn unconditional love, but aren't there already tons of people here that play the 'bad guy' simply because they had bad lives here, hate rubbed off on them from others, and they made bad choices?

However, there are so many wildcards at work with free will being the biggest of them all, that they may not turn into that person and instead lead a completely opposite life. But as we all already know, there will always be someone that is willing to harm others. Some of these "bad" guys may have originally "signed up" to cure cancer or become the next MLK but because of their free will and the free will of others, their plans may change drastically.

For people to deliberately choose to play that part when they KNOW it's wrong seems to take right vs. wrong to a whole new very disturbing level to me.

What we call right and wrong, good and evil, are subjective terms. Incarnate souls have a completely different perspective on such things.

I also did not mean to make it sound as if losing your child will help you to immediately learn how to love unconditionally and it certainly isn't a necessary experience to have in order to evolve. It is just one of many lessons or experiences that a person will have to learn or endure in one lifetime. However, after many lifetimes, these experiences add up for the higher self to see things differently and become less judgmental.

As I said in my previous post, I do not pretend to understand how all this works. It's impossible to understand this all from a physical perspective.

I have had several OOBE that have shaped my beliefs but I had one in particular that shook me up badly. I was shown how I was a slave trader and owner in a past life. I was a rapist in another. I really do not like to admit such things because even though the "I" that I am to day did not do these things, I still feel some guilt because of that.

Since I do still feel the weight of these previous lives that I saw, you have to understand how real the experience felt when it was shown to me. It was an OOBE that played out like "A Christmas Carol", where I was shown the ghosts of a few of my past lives.

I know some people are reluctant to accept that their OOBE are true but I am not one of them. I have seen too much that to not believe is crazier than to believe.

I hope that I answered your questions and please reject anything that I have said as being true if it does not sit well with you. You must rely on what you have personally seen in your own experiences.

[soarin12]

Thanks so much, AZ, for taking the time to explain all of that.  My own experiences have never gone as far as to show me 'behind the scenes' of morality.  I do know some people that hold that belief that good and evil are subjective and it has always bothered me that they don't seem to have a well formed conscience.  Anything goes, and they do not take responsibility for their actions.  Ah well, I guess people hold that belief  for different reasons.  You do and you obviously have a working conscience.  Interesting stuff!  I try to keep an open mind.

[Astralzombie]

Thanks so much, AZ, for taking the time to explain all of that.  My own experiences have never gone as far as to show me 'behind the scenes' of morality.  I do know some people that hold that belief that good and evil are subjective and it has always bothered me that they don't seem to have a well formed conscience.  Anything goes, and they do not take responsibility for their actions.  Ah well, I guess people hold that belief  for different reasons.  You do and you obviously have a working conscience.  Interesting stuff!  I try to keep an open mind.

I had to specifically "ask" for that particular experience and got more than  I bargained for.

Unfortunately, to know what "evil" is, we don't have to look any further than man.

IMO, we will not evolve into unconditional loving souls while in a physical state. We are "here" to have the experiences and then later with the combined knowledge of all of our past lives, we will come to this understanding while we are in a NP state or not. I'm sure you probably have a name for those who do not.

[Vanessa]

Well Im thankful for your answers but I didn't explain as much as I should've Im quite young and it's kind of hard to get you realise what I exactly mean to say. Though I like to read how you percieve stuff from other perspectives.

[CFTraveler]

IMO, we will not evolve into unconditional loving souls while in a physical state. We are "here" to have the experiences and then later with the combined knowledge of all of our past lives, we will come to this understanding while we are in a NP state or not.

I am starting to come to that belief/thought process too.  Unfortunately.

[Lionheart]

I am starting to come to that belief/thought process too.  Unfortunately.

So ,why are some of us waking up to this in the Physical, while others aren't? The people that are learning to AP consciously aware are a very minute part of the populace.

Are we getting a "jump start" on the others? Do we, for some reason need to see this now, possibly because we missed something in our last transition?

As I have already seen, there is a purpose for everything that happens. I believe and have been shown that we are being trained to be the new Guards/Teachers per say, in the changing of the Guards.

We see how every generation here changes. With that change comes new technology and teachings. There must be a changing of the Guard there as well. It would have to keep up on the status quo as well.

We see today, very evident, that we can't teach people like we did 100 years ago, for that fact, even 20 years ago. Things constantly change here, they must there as well. Consciousness evolves and the Guards/Teachers would have to evolve with it.

This obviously is just my opinion. But I have been told this many times as well. This is one of things I am allowed to say, so I didn't break any rules on this one.  

Just to add one last thing to this. On a Facebook group, there was a girl named Destynee that came up with a plan to help others learn to AP by matching them up with teachers/mentors that could. She stated the importance of "serious people" only.
5 of the Moderators, including myself agreed to be teachers. Not one of those students panned out. We gave them a bit of work to do and they fled. This occurred with all the other 5 Teacher/students on that group as well. They all left for one reason or the other, my student because of Health concerns, a couple of them just wanted a "pen pal". But, not one of them panned out, even though each of them stated their willingness to learn.

[Astralzombie]

So ,why are some of us waking up to this in the Physical, while others aren't? The people that are learning to AP consciously aware are a very minute part of the populace.

Are we getting a "jump start" on the others? Do we, for some reason need to see this now, possibly because we missed something in our last transition?

As I have already seen, there is a purpose for everything that happens. I believe and have been shown that we are being trained to be the new Guards/Teachers per say, in the changing of the Guards.

We see how every generation here changes. With that change comes new technology and teachings. There must be a changing of the Guard there as well. It would have to keep up on the status quo as well.

We see today, very evident, that we can't teach people like we did 100 years ago, for that fact, even 20 years ago. Things constantly change here, they must there as well. Consciousness evolves and the Guards/Teachers would have to evolve with it.

This obviously is just my opinion. But I have been told this many times as well. This is one of things I am allowed to say, so I didn't break any rules on this one.  

Just to add one last thing to this. On a Facebook group, there was a girl named Destynee that came up with a plan to help others learn to AP by matching them up with teachers/mentors that could. She stated the importance of "serious people" only.
5 of the Moderators, including myself agreed to be teachers. Not one of those students panned out. We gave them a bit of work to do and they fled. This occurred with all the other 5 Teacher/students on that group as well. They all left for one reason or the other, my student because of Health concerns, a couple of them just wanted a "pen pal". But, not one of them panned out, even though each of them stated their willingness to learn.

To know is one thing, to do is another, and to do with no judgment and no concern for self is another as well.

I am not at a level where I am able to practice what I know is right.
However, to become aware is the first step and even then, the waking up process can take years.

[CFTraveler]

So ,why are some of us waking up to this in the Physical, while others aren't?

I think many more are than we think- it's just that many don't speak about it, or go back to their regular focus in life.
That doesn't mean that nothing took place in their evolution, I do think that it always moves forward- I just think that the system we have now allows for so much variety that the progress is not linear, and it's not geared towards linear progress.
I do realize eventually our galaxy will go kaput and then maybe the schools that are available may be so different to allow us to get to that 'sweet spot', but then it won't be 'this' system, it'll be something else.

[Sixx]

I have often wondered why I woke up,
probably stems from my child hood when going to an Anglican church was the norm, I also went to a catholic primary school,
but seeing a man nailed to a cross, and thinking,  well these people love this man, and this is how they remember him.
that woke me up I think, well the start of me asking questions.
But for many it is what has been passed down from generation to generation so its just normal.

Robert Munroe thought  consciousness got addicted to the human experience , and in that addiction and cycle of life/death,
consciousness forgot who it was, thus returned time and time again.

My view on all this is, If your spiritually awake when you passover, you will have choices,
maybe to come back again here and teach,
or maybe as Lionheart said  you can help and aid on the NPR.
My goal for this life is too learn as much as I can,and be the person/spirit that I really am,
I don't even care if I have another  AP again in this life,
I've experienced it so I know it,
i have the  choice.

[beavis]

One of the most important things I've learned about metaphysics is to act based on what you understand instead of letting others run your life. You are ready to leave our tiny corner of the universe when you look at the facts, consider your options, and choose to. You don't need permission or to apologize to anyone. Just do what you think should be done.

Leaving Earth early does not necessarily involve death of the body, but I don't know what happens to it if you leave the body and don't come back. Maybe its what happened to me as some of my soul pieces are spread out there somewhere. There have been a few times when, at least it appeared to me at the time, I was out of the body and did not ever plan to come back but while I was out there I decided to because of some kind of unbalance it would have caused or things I wanted to build on Earth in my research or whatever I still wanted to do. So I chose not to, but I think I could have. Its often painful to exist here on Earth, but I think the reason I can't leave just any time I want to, except for those few rare times the choice comes up, is that I don't really want to until I finish a few specific things. I expect after that my consciousness would spread out across large distances and not pay much attention to my body anymore, and I don't know what would happen to the body, and I dont much care since at that time I wouldnt have much more use for it but sometimes I might want to still use it. I guess I'm almost ready because I cant bring myself to choose it yet.

[Jessica_Lynn]

I kind of find this topic a little unnerving for the multiple reasons.

-Who dictates what true enlightenment is?
-Do you have to experience 100% enlightenment to finish your work on earth?
-Does this mean that monk type individuals are the only ones who won't come back for more lessons?
-If you learned the lesson last time but due to cultural reasons or the fact that you grew up in a redneck hick town and are poorly educated and due ot those reasons have no concept of any such lessons cause you to start your learning all over again? (I ask this because I don't believe we take memories from life to life AT ALL).

-I ask these questions because I don't think everyday people who are stuck in the westernised trap of greed and consumerism and think of nothing outside of themselves realise any of this.

-There's a number of conflicting ideas I believe in, I do think we have to learn certain lessons, but I don't think they're that serious. If we have been given free will, and we are good people with good morlas, isn't that enough?

The Dalai Lama could have been Hitler in a past life, and their parents, environment, education and culture could have been the only deciding factors. (And perhaps karma)

UNNERVING. Lol.

[Xanth]

Worry less, Love more. 

[Lionheart]

-If you learned the lesson last time but due to cultural reasons or the fact that you grew up in a redneck hick town and are poorly educated and due ot those reasons have no concept of any such lessons cause you to start your learning all over again? (I ask this because I don't believe we take memories from life to life AT ALL).

Why would you think a poorly educated Redneck "hick" wouldn't learn anything?

We learn from experiencing. That's the reason we CHOSE to view life through these physical bodies.

Whether you are a poorly educated Redneck or a wealthy Aristocrat, they are both experiences. 

[Jessica_Lynn]

Why would you think a poorly educated Redneck "hick" wouldn't learn anything?

We learn from experiencing. That's the reason we CHOSE to view life through these physical bodies.

Whether you are a poorly educated Redneck or a wealthy Aristocrat, they are both experiences. 

I may have worded that wrong. I'm saying that if you lived a handful of lives and learned several important lessons, then started a new life in an incredibly hateful and unevolved society and due to your upbringing and your environment you ended up not unlearning such lessons but committing crimes or doing things that would render you unlearned of said lessons. Due to such circumstances there are people who don't have any chance at all, fed the wrong food so have undernourished bodies and brains, taught hate from their parents etc etc .... they have no concept of lesson learning and karma and perhaps wouldn't learn anything at all due to said reasons

I hope I'm making sense haha