Regarding christianity....

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I must say that is very single minded from someone who claims to be part of a "Spiritual Religion."
Im sorry AryanKnight but I must disagree.
Coming from someone who has no religious ties, besides slight interest, I still understand the need for some people to have those beliefs.
They are not yours to judge.
For instance, you cannot judge one christian or catholic by what certain churches have done in the past.
A belief, even modified by organized religion, still has independant nature from that church to mold the beliefs to whatever structure fits the individual.
Are you going to tell me all Satanists have done good for the world?

People have come out of religion with good experiences. How many lives do you think have been saved by what many say is the love of christ? Ive heard over and over again, "I was close to commiting a crime/suicide/abusing myself but then I found jesus," or "I had been involved with a lot of criminal activity and even hurt people, but while I was in prison, I found myself, and Jesus. His love saved me, and now I can be redeemed through my present and future actions."

Its not what others see from that belief, its what you, as a single person, can get from it without the involvement of anyone else.

Its a personal thing, religion, and because certain black marks have marred the surface of certain beliefs, doesnt make them irrelevant, it makes them abused by people citing their beliefs and using religion as an excuse.

Everything has its up's and down's, and though I agree wholeheartedly that the world would be a better place without organized religion, I dont know that for a fact, and am probably wrong.

You talk about sacrifice when you obviously don't know what it really means.
Any religious or strongly spiritual person can tell you, it isnt about blood sacrifices or silly things that once have existed, it is about personal sacrifice. About what you give up to your god to be with that god, to know love, we must all be willing to sacrifice our hate or greed or personal possessions or so on.
Remember to, I am not religious, but I know what it means to be so, and to have a strong belief in something, as I think you may as well.

Also, the mayans at one time sacrificed people, but they were one of the most advanced civilizations around during that time, well beyond what we are in comparison to this age.
Dont allow certain judgements to cloud the truth, when the truth was never in what you read, but what your heart is in.

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[Aileron]

ugh....seriously, how can anyone buy into that?
Even if any of that info had an inkling of truth to it, the way and how people inform others is just as important as what they inform them of.

The person who authored those statements, obviously had no regard for history (Written history at least), or just didnt know any of it and wanted to pull this load of crap out of their behind, with perhaps a smattering of conspiracy lore.


If your going to listen to someone who tells this to you, you may as well relinquish all intelligent conversation from future social regard.

It really is not that difficult to see what is fecal and what isn't.

Sorry AK666, but this is my opinion. I really do apologize if it offends you and I dont often like to just castrate belief systems. But this is just silly sh*t!


btw, what does this have to do with satanism?

here is a little bit of contradiction.
If "your" satanism contains the ability to accept and appreciate the carnal as well as the spiritual beyond the concept of God, within the lamantations of the satanic body both literal and figuratively, why would it attempt to decimate other belief systems when those entail both the flesh and soul in concepts of human nature, growth, society/culture, and experiences both good and bad?
This creates a self-destructive button. Is that what is meant by this satanism? To break down all the other religions so that satanism is the only one left eventually leading to its own demise, its own break down?
Any system that does so, is a self-deleterious and deluded system.


I do want to apologize to you again AK666, for it does honestly seem that I have taken spoken opposition against you, but in reality what is meant by my posts are only insights to what I believe are your own flaws as well as my own. You seem intelligent enough, but you continue to use examples of incorrect ministries of history as well as at times slightly insult others in their opinion.
You contradict yourself, and completely disregard the volidaty of your information as though what you say is truth.

I at times make similar mistakes, and I attempt to read my faults outwardly so that others know them, as well as verify to myself what I can do to better those fractures in my system of thought.

I really am not trying to make you out to be the badguy, but read over your posts, how you talk to others and respond and the information you give.

[Aileron]

I read that post you put there, so strike these comments I just made:

"The person who authored those statements, obviously had no regard for history (Written history at least), or just didnt know any of it and wanted to pull this load of crap out of their behind, with perhaps a smattering of conspiracy lore.


If your going to listen to someone who tells this to you, you may as well relinquish all intelligent conversation from future social regard.

It really is not that difficult to see what is fecal and what isn't.

Sorry AK666, but this is my opinion. I really do apologize if it offends you and I dont often like to just castrate belief systems. But this is just silly sh*t!


btw, what does this have to do with satanism?

here is a little bit of contradiction.
If "your" satanism contains the ability to accept and appreciate the carnal as well as the spiritual beyond the concept of God, within the lamantations of the satanic body both literal and figuratively, why would it attempt to decimate other belief systems when those entail both the flesh and soul in concepts of human nature, growth, society/culture, and experiences both good and bad?
This creates a self-destructive button. Is that what is meant by this satanism? To break down all the other religions so that satanism is the only one left eventually leading to its own demise, its own break down?
Any system that does so, is a self-deleterious and deluded system."



I dont know what this means:

"but AK66!!!!111111 HOE DO J00 NOE TEH D3MONS AND S4TAN RNT1 REPT1LES??!!!!!!1111"


Oh, and just so you know, the sacrifices you spoke of are extremist radicals, zealots and fundamentalists who often are linked with terrorists and which have nothing to do with the judeao-christian beliefs beyond taking the basic and original system of belief and skewing it to their own designs. Read up on it a bit more before you deem it a sacrifical religion.

[Palehorse]

AK666:  It seems to me your biggest beef is not with God or Christ, but the myriad ways in which their followers have distorted and violated their teachings over the ages.  For all the sacrifice, there are the prophets firmly insisting on God's behalf that He desires mercy, not sacrifice.  Against every atrocity and abuse, stands Christ, in opposition, telling us to love our neighbor.  Ironically, by perpetuating this caricature of the Church, your ego-driven crusade is only serving to feed more power into the virulent religious structure you claim to so adamantly oppose.

What would Jesus do?

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[no_leaf_clover]

Here's a link to the Book of Thomas:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/contender.html

Maybe you can find the part about Jesus beating a boy to death. If you find it, it'll certainly be a more interesting passage from the Bible. If you can't, oh well. I know Jesus apparently used a lot of symbolism and metaphor, and certainly a lot of the things he said and did can be taken out of context to great effect, either upon interpreters of the Bible or even the ones that wrote it. I don't personally think he would literally and physical beat a boy to death over something so childish. Such a man wouldn't gain any sort of religious following in the first place (except maybe from sadists), but would probably be dealt with in a suiting fashion for the time he lived in.


I don't know the background of this, or what the joyofSatan site is (maybe somebody can fill me in?), but I saw this in one of the earlier posts:

quote:Source: Sumerian Mythology - Most of the ancient stories told in the bible come from Sumerian myths. Xianity merely changed the name of all the Sumerian gods to that of their God. This is all explained in The 12th Planet book.

I've read The 12th Planet and am a big fan of it as many of you probably already know, and I know this statement is false. I've read a lot of Sitchin's work and this is the first time I've even seen the name 'Xianity' before now. Sitchin is also Jewish, and follows Jewish faith (possibly seeing Nibiru as the Jewish 'messiah'), just as an interesting bit there, as his work appears to be used here in what I believe is a misguided fashion.

quote:Wicca: This is the saddest of ALL the new age cults. Wicca is a watered down form of Witchcraft. True witchcraft doesn't include this three-fold rule and karma sh**. Wicca does not tell you how to empower your mind to become masters of what you want to conceive. Once one's mind is powered there is NO NEED for spells, incantations, or tools. Wicca teaches people to be weak and the need for outside energy such as angels to help them do their bidding. Wicca is just as bad as Xianity when it comes to power. Angels feed of this kind of bull sh**.

Watered down form of Witchcraft? I thought they were the same thing. I also thought Wicca was primarily an Earth-based religion (as in Earth-'worshipping', or maybe celebrating is a better word). Sounds like what's happening here is a confusion of modern Wicca with the stereotyped witchcraft from a few hundred years ago; the kind that went with witches that rode around on broomsticks and were green with crooked noses, which is of course inspired from propoganda from the Catholic Church, etc. Wicca has certainly gained some interesting aspects for some individuals from all the Christian propoganda, but in essence it is an Earth-based religion similar to Druidism. The only difference I think in doctrine is that Druids in the classical sense don't worry about learning to Astral Project, etc., but to just let natural ability come naturally when it does, even if over many lifetimes.

The main problem I had with Satanism when I looked into its doctrine (supposing that this is related to Satanism, otherwise ignore this next bit!), is that it tends to be a very arrogant, uncaring, pessimistic, and even violent religion with no real ways to better find any sort of real happiness or love in life. This general doctrine can be easily obtained here so you can decide for yourself: http://www.churchofsatan.com/

quote:1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development," has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

I find this, from another part of doctrine, to be especially ironic:

quote:5. Herd Conformity—That's obvious from a Satanic stance. It's all right to conform to a person's wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

Coming from the "Church of Satan" this is interesting. I would think if someone didn't want to conform, but to discover things for themselves, the solution would not be to join another religion and accept someone else's ideas. I also find the term 'impersonal entity' very ironic here.

Compare this to the teachings of Jesus as they are traditionally taught. Whether or not Jesus himself taught them are no longer important as long as there is a positive message for us, and if Jesus did in fact teach the things he was said to, I think he would agree. Christianity does have its faults, and millions have died as a result of it over the centuries. I'm not Christian, and I wouldn't really recommend the religion, and the church still resonates on negative connotations with me. But the teachings of Jesus as a message of unconditional love for others, or to strive to reach that level of compassion, are beyond the church and its continuing fallacies. The best part is - you don't have to be Christian to try to take up the message of Jesus if you don't want to.

This is all in free will, and do what you will, but I think most people are more or less caring for others, and all are compassionate in the deepest sense. The tragic events set up by the few with little love or respect for life are usually responded to by hordes of those who care. It is very unfortunate our current state of affairs in the world, but I think there will be a 'happy ending' so to speak, one way or another, and not in the perverted way. []

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proof?


aryanknight...go to town man, have fun. Prove all you want. Prove that the world is round and that you have all the knowledge.

But what good does proof do you when you sit alone?

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LOL!!
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oh thank you. I was actually quite down, but then I read that and couldnt stop laughing. Thank you!



So, how old are you? Cause I dont know many 58 year olds who have told me to eat a lava hat.

ROFLOL!!
Really, thats the funniest thing Ive ever read.



(Sighs and wipes tears away)
You really have a heard time connecting the dots dont you?
Listen, Im gonna give you a little advice aryanchild.

first, dont tell people to eat a lava hat and to shut the hell up when you are trying to prove you have any viable information and should be taken seriously.

second, grow up.

[SpectralDragon]

I have met many satanists who are actually very respectable people, and who, despite what many people would think, are very open, forgiving, and acceptant of other people's rights and religion and beliefs. (These people no longer call themselves satanists last time I checked BTW, but thier practices are the same.) ArianKnight, this particular system of satanism, and you yourself, are giving these guys a bad name.

Most satanists are not "worshipers of satan" as they are "anti-christian." From your posts, you are one of these people. When you noticed that christianity was not correct for you, you decided to turn in the oposite direction to rebel. IOW you probably really don't care about the religion itself, you are simply rebelling. I look at your posts, for example, and one minute you say you support the bible and the next minute you say you don't. Just take a look at the micheal thread you tried to ruin.

Further, the true satanists, the ones who know what they are actually doing, know better than to f%&k with actuall demons. Some of them are very talanted magicians, just thier ways are different than most of the other practices. The only real reason they call themselves satanists is to show that they are not afraid to show that they believe in what they are doing. Some of the individuals I have seen online and met in real life don't go by the bible at all, as true satanism is not an offshoot of anti-christains. YOU spout more things from the bible than a dogmatic christain priest ever would. How can you call christains fake and evil when you are using thier own holy book as your basis for study?

Another point I would like to make, I have seen some very good points brought up that you simply fail to respond to. Afraid of answering them?

You seem to be a very angry individual, does your practice promote this? I say this because of comments like this:

quote:And please, do not try and get on the bad side of me or the clergy.

This suggests to me that you will take some form of action if you or your higher ups get ticked at someone. Very constructive way of learning? Not in my experience it's not. Here is another example:

quote:That was a really, really random post. Has nothing to do with the topic firstly and secondly bears no accuracy to myself whatsoever.
I not only have proof,
But I also have Ideas about you shutting the hell up and eating a lava hat.

What do you gain by simply throwing sh@@ in the fan? All you do is make the room stink like the fluff bunnie "there is no evil" dogma.

Speaking of new age and dogma, I noticed this little tidbit: you seem to wish to disprove christianity, new age, ect. Basically everything but the so called "religion" you guys practice. This shows me that
1) you are not acceptant of other ideals, even when proven wrong.
2) these ideals are likely structured around dogmatic priciples that cannot easily be proven. (My My how christian of you guys)
3) Basically, this format of religion is taken from the christian format of teaching the masses.
4) despite dislike of new age, new age ideals are played out in this religion such as there is no true evil. (with the possible exception of christianity, which you format your religion's structure and hiearchy on and call it different names.)
5) there is no room for self growth despite obvious ability of human kind to be able to grow on thier own. Take almost any individual who has done great deeds in life. There is no evidince that any supernatural being played a part in what they did. Thus everything has to be done through demons by demons and for demons. Replace demons with god and you basically have christain dogma in the last sentence.

ArianKnight, your wish to be a rebel is blinding you from seeing that you are making the same mistakes you made in christainity. Everyone else here seems to see that except yourself. Perhaps one day you will calm your inner wish to rebel against the so called "god" in christain dogma and find out for yourself what the universe, the afterlife, the paranormal, and even god is like in it's REAL form, which can only be done WITHOUT going to a religion of any kind and experiencing these things first hand for yourself.

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[SpectralDragon]

Arianknight (since you seem to wish to play the childish game of caring about the spelling then why not just for laughs? If you are going to argue for or against a religion then people who notice this weakness will come in and try and tear you apart because they see an opening. That's how arguments between different kinds of religions work, butal and unforgiving, just find any on the web and you will see what I am talking about. Please note that I don't do this to make fun of you but simply to show you something that I have observed.)

quote: I did not rebel against christianity as you would like to think.

TITLE OF THE TOPIC HERE: REGARDING CHRISTIANITY. []Case closed.
more:

quote:Legally challenging the tyranny of xianity and working with every legal means possible to bring an end to this nefarious religion

You are rebelling against christianity, you made a topic about the "evils" of it, you made many accusations that it is evil, and furthermore you childishly mock it.

So you turned to islam, then you turned to satanism? So now your rebelling against both instead of just one. Makes no real difference to my argument here.

You say you tried finding god on your own? I don't believe it for a second, and if you did you turned to dogmatic sources.
(BTW: dogma: faith in a religion and it's doctrines to the point where a person will simply say something that goes against the religion is wrong because the doctrines, leaders, and books in the religion say it's wrong. Such people will spout out the doctrines in argument. )

quote:Dogma=A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.

You claim yourself that we do not acknowledge the concept of good and evil, but that the JOS is nothing but dogma.
Does this make sense to you? it doesn't to me. For dogma we would firstly have to acknowledge good and evil as a whole; on the behalf of the whole ministry as a body, then we would have to, in the same way, define what this good and evil is, and what to do as good deeds and evil deeds, no questions asked.

yeah...making a lot of sense here. I now make a doctrine that good and evil does not exist, all my followers henceforth must follow this doctrine. Capish? That is dogma, the above simply makes no sense.

quote:
I do not want to "save" anyone. That as such is characteristic of christianity, and not at all in rhythm with the Jos and satanism as whole. The same can be said about converting people. What is appropriate, is, making sure that as many people who would feel a connection with satanism would have the opportunity to come across it. I have tried to do this, myself, by providing the weblink to the jos ministries (sounds dismal I know), but all this seemed to acheive was people ignoring it and then making sweeping comments about satanism and the jos, or people using qoutes from the site for defamation. You, spectral dragon, seem to be quite assertive that the Jos is ridden with dogmatic bullsh!t.

Whats with the micheal topic then? You are spouting your dogma that Micheal is evil and that everyone should turn to satan. How is that NOT trying to convert?

quote:I think you will find that this is majorly due to the fact that we respect and uphold free choice, free thinking, the different opinions of others and people's rights to their own opinions, and so even if somebody wanted to beleive that jesus and satan were brothers, or that jesus was a role model for satanists and black magicians, so be it!

More dogma I am seeing, also, how come you ALSO say this:

quote:

quote:Legally challenging the tyranny of xianity and working with every legal means possible to bring an end to this nefarious religion

quote:I would also like to add spectral dragon, on "experiencing these things for yourself" that,
one hour of meditations and spiritual work a day would be like taking a sickie. Not only do we talk to beings, we summon them to visible appearance. Not only do we astral project; we also work on telekenisis, cyrokenisis, biokenisis, pyrokenisis, hydrokynises, etc, telepathy, magick, spell work and virtually every other psychic feat in existance. For us to be able to summon a demon into visible appearance; it would take a great deal of bio-eletricity as the demon needs to use your energy, and thus it takes alot of work to be able to acheive this. We work at acheiving god head; through such as, but not limited to the kundalini.

That's all well and good, but that's not YOU trying to find YOUR OWN way of finding god, you are, once again, doing it through a religion, which truthfully holds you back in the end. You don't need a organized religion to do this.

We DO NOT think that humans can not advance on our own. We DO NOT think every has to be by and for demons.
Primarily alot of our informaton comes from satan/lucifer/ptah/enki/melek taus and the demons/gods themselves.
We have obtained alot of information on the universe and other matters from gods/demons. The gods/demons have helped us with many things, we have had wonderful experiences and adventures with them.
Furthermore, how insane would it be if everybody listening to the ramblings of high preistess maxine without doing such research and searching for themselves? I have not known one satanist who has not done this. Maxine provides in her articles scholary references to what she says and also provides a reading list on the JOS both bibliographical and recommended. However, only this would be a starting point as what better way to research and find information for yourself then track down your own sources and material?

Ahh, good, this is starting to sound like what some of the better satanists I have met would say.

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quote:

"arYanknight666.
arYanknight666.
arYanknight666.
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what the hell?


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"Now that that's out of the way - 0, I am curious as to where you got the impression I was 58 years of age?"

my mistake, I took your total posts for age a while back.



quote:

"Perhaps you should look a little harder at the post where I told you to eat a lava hat, and you will realise why I said it in the first place."

no. sorry guy, but there is no good reason to act like a child and tell this to someone and think people will take it for a substantial bit of information. Whether you meant it as a literal or figurative insult, it is still a childish insult. I dont care whether you wore a hat that symbolized lava which symbolized the wisdom of flowing heat while you were being initiated into your JOS cult or whatever.
Can you imagine trying to offend someone by saying that?
I can imagine telling a joke with it, thats about it. I have read some of your other posts before I began posting, and I really must say you do have the posts of an angry child at times. For instance you had balatantly told someone that their idea of helping people over the forums was like an RPG and laughed at them. You talk to me of wit and intelligence and these are the kinds of comments you make? Then when someone points out your own contridiction such as the "curse" you used also being in RPG's, you felt it necessary to point out that curses dont exist in RPG games and that it was like telling someone how to run or something of that nature. It made no sense.


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"And just for the record, I sorely regret ever coming here, or at least behaving here in the way I have. Not only have I worked up a bad reputation for myself, but I have also ruined the reputation of the Joy Of Satan and, potentially,satanism as a whole, for almost everybody on these forums. I have been very assertive in what I have said, but if only you could understand why."

You shouldnt regret anything though it is quite mature to realize that your behavior here has been anything but.
You underestimate people here aryanknight, you truly do.

People here can think on their own and if someone brings in what you might believe to be a bad reputation of their belief, your wrong, because everyone here actually researches into these things. It is the research and the information gained that tells us whether or not a belief system is made up of faulty tinker toys(Metaphor), or could actually be a substantial form of faith in anyway you want to define it.

You may have been assertive only half the time, when people actually begin presenting real information that challenges your beliefs. But then you also tend to overstate what could have been said simply, and dont think people dont understand certain things you go through, that really is an insult.
There are people here who are completely stable people, very understanding, yet have had reasons in their life(whether you meant it that way or not)to turn a red eye to the whole world.

You are using your secretive reasons for your belief as an excuse.

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"while on the topic I am curious to know what exactly you were stereotyping me as:
the reclusive darkness hugging goth? the "chat rooms only make me feel more isolated" character? or the swollen forheaded workaholic?"

why do you think I saw you as any stereotype? Because I called you childish for telling me to wear a lava hat?
I hold no stereotype and in a place like these forums, its difficult to anyway. I would hope you can understand why.

Im sure your going to just come up with another load of BS to feed us all in hopes of....what? All you have to do to make amends is to simply apologize for your behavior(not for your belief though) and begin having decent and genuine conversations with people here.

Of course you'll probably be happy to hear, that if you reply with one more outburst with no real need to do so, Im going to just ignore you all together. Im tired of this game, and dont need it.

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[Aileron]

(wipes hands)

Im threw with you man. You dont get it.

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[SpectralDragon]

I'm pretty much done too, it's pretty obvious you simply don't want to realize your own misgivings, good day Aryan.

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[MJ-12]

You post an anti-Christian post on a Christian section of this messageboard, and somehow think that you're the one being attacked? As you sow, so shall you reap [8D]

Your claims against Christianity are based on a literal interpretation of the Bible. They fail when placed against a metaphorical or mystical interpretation.  

You claim that Satan offers you more than the creepy caricature that most people think of when hearing about Satanists, but you don't seem to want to accept that Christianity can offer more than simplistic Bible-thumping rhetoric.

It's no surprise that what you don't allow for others, others don't allow for you.

[aninfinity1717]

Since no one replied to my previous topics, I thought I should drop by to see if I am still being ignored. Although I'm a new member, being a new member doesn't matter anymore in such a populated message board. lol, okay kidding. but yea, this is what's up.

My real name, my signature, is only a fake name. And my English might not be proficient. But I do try my best.

I believe that the reptilians+sirians+their slaved greys staged everything. Through holographic technologies, they could make everything seem very realistic. One can say that they are working close with the media and politics through shapeshifting elites who interbreeds or arrange marriages with other shapeshifting hybirds (should it be that they are themselves full reptilians with holographic disguise). Besides, the hyrbids themselves are more controllable than the other people with lesser than 50% reptilian dna.
This is true. Prince Williams, George Bush Jr. and Sn. and Clinton were putting off the Devil signal (with their left?? hand).

The Bohemian Grove and other fraternities such as the Brotherhood of Death (a.k.a. Skull and Bones) are higher up on the control system. If you noticed, important descisions in the US' history had been made in lakeside talks (Bohemian, etc). Reporters are not allowed to report the club talks in Bohemian. And, the world wars were actually funded - something you can't find in history books.

The purpose of rite initiations (or the higher initiations), I think, is to create a reptilian host, a person who can be possessed by a reptilian at any moment.

How this message swayed this far, I don't know. Now let's dig deeper into this subject.

Christ was a real person, but his name was not Jesus. That is a demon's name. Saying "Amen is though you are saying "Allah -- the Moon God, for some reason I forgot. Below the moon is actual full bred reptilians, who are seperated from the Reptilians under Earth. Their plan is to resurface earth through seeding humans and controlling them. Methods of control extends to media, ELF, (electro low frequency) actual abductions, Montauk, fake channeling (the year 2012 is near, and they need to take care of everything before we gain enlightenment from all the awareness the Source is giving to us now), and many more. Their most powerful method is controll of the mass through a human figure, manipulating the other people's emotions. They use occult numbers such as 9 and 13 to affect our reality tremendously, just because, they don't have the mind-reality abilities that we humans possess.

Humans are very mixed. The reptilians accidently reversed the polarity of the sea-world Earth, resulting in terrain lands. Their planet caused this - Venus. They began the colonization by moving the enigmatic moon here. It is a hollow object, with many reptilians inside. Don't forget, they have very long lives.

For some reason, the indesirables (humanoids) were droped on Earth. They were the Atlanteans, religious leaders, scientists, and honorable citizens. They became very fearful when the reptilians created Dinosaurs for their own sustaince. however, it got in the way of the Atlanteans, resulting in a war. lazer beams were shot, killing only most of the dinosaurs (surprise). The reptilians resurfaced, only regaining control of human consciousness with the Sumerians civilization(hence their sculpture of a reptilian "women" and her baby). They had to kidnip and breed with the kings, and then the sons and daughters of the future world, drink human blood to sustain the human form. (Pigs were created to contain Human blood, after the Boar. Therefore, Pigs is considered, to the Hebrews, impure to eat_

How did humans come about, really? The Hatona Council (a.ka. the 9 - symbolizing a close cycle) conciliated with Reptilian colonist reptilians and the other humaniod aliens who dropped their indesirables. They agreed to create a new species: HUmans, creatures' whose DNA are fused by the 12 species and the 13th, the reptilians. "Let us make humans in OUR IMAGE" (something like that I forget, sorry). The reptilians agreed under one condition, that humans be made with reptilian base. Hence, the reptilian brain stem, etc. hence, we go through three stages as a baby - amphibian (when earth was all water) - reptilian (reptilian base) - then humanoid.

The purpose for this was to help souls with victimization issues learn. Earth attracted these souls, us. We have to overcome victimization. When we do, the whole reality paragym changes. Have you ever wanted something very badly that it comes to you the next second? The sirians allied with the reptilians, sharing free technologies and creating conflicts, because they wanted the souls to develope. Seeing past the fake New Age channeling satellites (which hook up to the specific channelers and creat databases to keep track),
benevolent beings would never interfere with our development unless they have an agenda. They would, however, "intrefere" by means of helping us through victimization, to a very small extent, and that has included the creation of Christianity (I think the lyraens did it). However, Christianity became tainted by the churches and the powers behind the churches (hyrbids, shapeshifters, mindcontrolled people, mislead and bargained people). Bibles were consistently translated and re-modified, while the peasants were by law prohibited to read any copies! Most couldn't read anyways. What a perfect time.


The Great Flood, by the way was, was caused by a civilization who kept beaming the ground (where the Reptilians lurked), after discovering the reptilians' plan to take over through the newly reptilian-compatible humans.

The reptilians, however, want us in their control, forever. This mark, the chip they will introduced to us through another Crisis-Problem-Reaction will do just that. They are afraid that without us, they will die out of neg. emotional hunger.

The Crisis-Problem-Reaction is for instance, the WTC. Globalists planned all this, yet they are in positions such as President, leaders, etc. The Crisis-Problem-Reaction is for instance, the Roman Empire. Do you get where I'm going?

By the way, they [reptilians] do worship astral entities. That is because, they do exist. Worshipping astral entities is their way of changing OUR reality. Quit being victimz people. When one wakes up, another wakes up, and then another. Believe it or not, our Hive mind is our collective consciousness and God-mind (above oversouls and the oversoul families). There is still hope, before America and China, the final Superpowers be replaced by the NWO. (ask your oversouls people, if this is a possible future, and then report back)

lol.. that was long. I hope I was understandable.