The Neverending Thread (was SATAN DECEIVES YOU)

[Narrow Path]

Allanon is a name taken from a book written by Terry Brooks.

The Narrow Path is the name taken from the Word of God.

I choose to live in Truth and not in a fairy tale.

I am no better than anyone here. I am a sinner and struggle daily to do the Right thing. But one thing needs to me known here.

WE ARE AT WAR AND YOU DONT SEE IT!!!!

Fundamentalists from Islam run jets into our twin towers.

Athiests strive to remove all signs of God from the country. They take down the Ten Commandments and crosses that beared the names of the fallen from the terrorist attacks. Soon it will come to a point where America has no protection from God anymore because we dont defend his Word. Mark my words this is the end of days and it is time to realize that the prophecies of the Word are coming true. If it were not for the young, brave Christian men in the service that fight defending the Name of God, none of you here would even be allowed to worship your pagan gods.

You would ne on all fours with a prayer rug!!

Dont you see that Jesus is the answer? The time of God's wrath is near and Christians need to stand up for the Way, Truth, and the Light because if we dont the Islam fundies and athiests will be the next world power.

I do not say that I would approve of someoneforcing you to worship Jesus. Strong Christians such as myself might say that it is the only Way but there remains the CHOICE. That is the beuty of it.

Islam is not so forgiving and they want us dead.

Dark days are coming for this country if we do not unite as Brothers in Christ and fight injustice and false religons.

Just One question for you.

HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY GO WRONG UNITING WITH CHRIST AND HIS TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DO NOT LIE, STEAL, MURDER, COMMIT ADULTERY, ETC.

HOW IS THAT SO HARD TO ACCEPT?

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF AND SPREAD THE FACT OF THE RESSURECTION.

IT IS IN YOUR HEARTS TO HEAR THE CALL OF GOD AND I GUARANTEE YOU IF YOU PROFESS YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO CHRIST YOU WILL BE A CHANGED PERSON.

[Tab]

can Al be IP banned now?

[chill]

Hi Narrow Path !

I am not sure about this, but there are a lot of fundamentalist Christians in the USA. Maybe this is untrue.

My guess is that they are many countries who are not over-the-top with religion (you would consider them pretty lukewarm toward religion) and which are not at war with anybody.

Many people could argue, and I would have great difficulty to oppose their views, that religion has often been the pretext or motive for dissensions and wars and genocides. Don't you think ?

It's very dangerous to mix religion and politics together, as we all know.

I agree with what has been said somewhere in another thread :
there should a strict separation between religion and the Law.
And I shall add : between education and religion.

Do you think it's possible to be a « true » christian, and to marry a muslim (in a courtroom or at Las Vegas, sorry for the cliché, I am a Canadian) and for them to have Jewish friends, let's say ? And oh yeah they would have 2 children, and one would turn out to be a Indu buddhist and the other .. well would just be on an ever searching spiritual path and would wake up at 50 to find out that.. he's a christian after all. Can you picture this ? My story is not very good - since it seems to focus only on religions that.. well.. you get my point.

I tell you what. I felt from the beginning that you would enjoy René Girard. You will simply love what he has to say. He's a reknowned philosopher and anthropologist. And he's a Catholic. It's unfortunate that he's a Catholic, and even more unfortunate that he has no shame of saying so in the face of journalists, because it has become mmm... suspiscious to be a Christian, when you are an 'intellectual'. Regardless, there are many atheists who are supporting his theories. You'll just love this guy. He's also a literature lover, he has analysed Shakespeare, Doestoievski, Camus, etc. at lenght... And there's nothing esoterical about his work. A college philosphy teacher told me that he's teaching Girard's theories in his classes. At uni he's the focus of both philosophy and sociology classes. I would not push for some obscure guy here...
He's done his homeworks and he's brilliant. His work is totally relevant if you are a Christian - and will be still relevant if you aren't.

[chill]

Please James S,

You are a moderator. I ask you, I am kneeling in front of you, I press my forehead on your beloved hand, my Lord, my King, my Savior, my Prince, please do not allow your board's authorities to ban Allanon. Allanon is Allanon. As long as he's not spamming the board -filling it with so many threads that we are lost in them - why ban him ? I just don't see the reason. We all preach. Well you don't. Actually there are quite a few people, active members, who are not preaching anything at all here, and I think you are one of them, well good for you ! you're my hero.

If you ban Allanon, then you shall ban me as well.

** and she gently wets James's hand with her tears ***

xxxxx

[chill]

JAMES_S

So you know, the PM in your inbox was sent by me BEFORE Allanon's latest blurt.

ALLANON

I reread your post again. Let me ask you this : are you attending the same church as George W. Bush ?

OK I have the feeling that I will by lynched.

*she runs away full spead*

*looks back*

« Yeah those books from RENÉ GIRARD. Start with THINGS HIDDEN... »

[Robert Bruce]

G'day Folks!

First, I thank you one and all for the philosophical way this thread is progressing. At least, no one has been killed yet.  May it continue.

I am now way out of my depth here, simply because this is not my field. However, a dear friend (an expert in this field, the beautiful "Beth" has agreed to enter this debate and will be posting shortly. Consider yourself honored; and hold onto your hats...

We may be better off starting a new thread, and moving this topic there, as the coming discussion will be amazing and lengthy to say the least. It may even be wise to start a new major topic to deal with this and related subjects, eg, one called 'Religion'.

Hold your breath
And prepare for Beth.


Take care, Robert.

[James S]

Greetings to thee O Chill,

Dearest lady mine, thine heartfelt plea doth rent mine soul. Thou hast come to me on bended knee with thine selfless and humble petitions, that thou mayest save this scoundrel Allanon from mine wrath.

Though I say to thee oh lady fair, forasmuch as my sword is sharp, and mine arm strong, the ultimate power to vanquish doth lay with Adrian the Almighty, for I am but a humble servent of his will.

An it please thee, as long as this over-zealous wrech for which thine gentle tears are shed doth use what brains the Lord God has seen fit to impart upon him, continue to speaketh words not in parrot fashion from some ancient texts, and relent upon his seemingly obsessive desire that we shalt all become converts to his ways, as has been his want in times past, then with assurance I say to thee he will be spared, and so dear lady thou shalt not have to fear for thine own position within this community.

Now spare thy tears kind woman, for thou doest rust my armour.

Kindest Regards,
Sir James.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

Que nous proferes-tu la, l'anglois ?! Et sur mes terres, morbleu ?!
Retires toi d'ici et rejoins la pietaille, manant, avant qu'il ne me chante de t'occir ! Peu me chaut tes jeremiades et lamentations, c'est a moi qu'il appartient de decider qui prend le chemin du pilori ! Quand a toi, le moine, fais ton office,?@J?fentends encore trop de maures chanter leurs insanites et s'esbaudir dans les rues de notre bonne ville quand bien meme ils ne daignent point d'embrasser la sainte croix ! Au bucher ! A l'echafaud ! Qu'on les saigne tous tel de la vile fenaison ! Point de pardon ! Dieu guide notre epee vengeresse !

[|)]

Sorry, i couldn't resist to go back to the middle-age...after all wasn't it the golden age of the christianity ?! hahahahahaha [}:)]

[Mustardseed]

Thanks Robert for at least having the courage, (and energy) to persue the subject at hand and also for admitting, that, your claims were based on hearsay[]. So you see we surprise you, there were some people who did not have a problem with arguing these things with a "Phd in religion" we are not all fearful Christian ignoramousses who are afraid of a choppy little "fight".I am in no doubt that with the network you surely must have ,you have now mustered up the most convincing and knowledgable person, you can think of, to reinforce your "belief",the view you BELIEVE to be the truth. ha. All in good sport, I very much look forward to talking to Beth, and to hear what she has to say. However I will probably sit on the side lines, while these giants crash[]It sounds like Allanon vs Beth is like King Kong meets Godzilla , and I look forward to it. and who knows maybe while these giants clash I can get some work done. I moved back on my boat after 3 months of money making on land and hope to start cruising soon. Lots to be done , going diving tomorrow too.
Regards Mustardseed

[Spirit_k9]

partly in response to Chills post (on a previous page, my goodness!) and partly responding to all the calls for proof and what-not....

Faith is a very strange beast indeed. Faith can lift your spirit at the same time it can drag you down a wrong path an leave you in a ditch later on.  I think there's a reason some use the phrase 'blind' faith, not so much becuase you have faith without seeing proof, but faith iself removes the desire to see further.  No, I'm not knocking it, I have a certain level of faith in many things myself, but we're talking religion here.

Some have faith that Jesus was messiah, some have faith in written history. Both are important, yet in this context both are meaningless unless each person makes the effort to see, seek the truth for themselves. Those that toss the tools provided to FIND the truth aside; I would not label as having an abundance of faith, rather I'd say they have an abundance of fear, or an abundance of stupidity.

Either way, if you do not search for yourself you will remain ignorant, regardless of the level of faith you posess.

A man walking through the desert looking for truth stumbles upon a book half buried in the sand. Written long ago, the book reveals all explanations within as the ultimate truth. The man sits, reads the book cover to cover and decides this is good enough. He sits with his book, happy and faithfull for all time.....covered with and petrified by tons of sand that once was his road to truth.

[exothen]

Hmmm...interesting.

Robert throws out a challenge he cannot defend and then retreats to allow an "expert" to take the reigns.  No one else here is an expert, but perhaps I, too, should go and find myself one to do my thinking and debating for me.  Then I wouldn't have to do any research or studying and bother to learn anything new...

I find it quite contradictory that there are those in here who keep putting down the Bible, and that without giving any rational explanation, and instead argue to experience - that the Bible is only one path leading to further spiritual truths, etc.  Yet, when they see Narrow Path's posts, they fail to recognize that he came to this realization of the truth through a very "New Age" type of spiritual experience.  Has no one in here noticed this drastic change in Allanon's beliefs?  Has no one questioned why or how he has developed such strong convictions, and that on his own through a spiritual experience?

Most importantly, would anyone here want to know if they were wrong in their beliefs?

[Narrow Path]

Being as most here dont believe in One Path only it is safe to assume that the risk of following Christ would not be too great.

What would be the harm in following Christ if you believe we are all going to make it one way or the other. What would it hurt to say that he is a "Way"?

If you are wrong than it wouldnt matter anyways according to your belief system because all paths lead to God.

Why the risk?

[LA FORET MAUVE]

how could it be possible that there is only just ONE path to God ??!!!
Come on people ! Go out, a little, watch the world ! It is so big and wonderful ! How could it be so narrow !!!! We are submerged by the infinity ...how could it matter to you that someone is not acting like you do to feel God ?! Be tolerant. Jesus was. Did jesus came claiming everywhere that he was the ONLY way ?

[Shippo_The_Gothic_Fox]

I am a Christain and in all my beliefs, i see nithing wrong with OBE's and Astral Projection, it is just the viewing of you God-Given mind in a small little "projected" world. Its the same as a Virtual Reality Video Games.

[Shippo_The_Gothic_Fox]

Oh, And That Was VERY Low And VERY Cruel ShadowWatcher!

[Narrow Path]

quote:Did jesus came claiming everywhere that he was the ONLY way ?

John 14
6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Mark 16

15   And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16   He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17   And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18   They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19   So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20   And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

oh my God ! Jesus said that !!!![:O]

Now, i have totally lost any trust in this name. I had at last a little respect for Jesus, remembering my feelings when i was a child...but now it is gone. Thanks Allanon.

By the way, Allanon, why did you lied to us, using another identity ?
It's not honest, you know...

[DjM]

Allanon/Narrow Path:

Every night that you sleep, your astral body and ego/I leave your body!  In fact, the astral body is mentioned explicitly in the Lord's Prayer.  It is hoped that we develop our lower members.  You are telling people the opposite of what they are supposed to be doing!  [}:)]

Can we get an exorcism over here (i.e. in World Religions) for our friend, Allan.  Thank you!  Don't worry, pal- we got you covered.[]

[Narrow Path]

quote:Every night that you sleep, your astral body and ego/I leave your body! In fact, the astral body is mentioned explicitly in the Lord's Prayer. It is hoped that we develop our lower members. You are telling people the opposite of what they are supposed to be doing!

Can we get an exorcism over here (i.e. in World Religions) for our friend, Allan. Thank you! Don't worry, pal- we got you covered.

Once again it should be noted that Astral Projection can be a God given blessing.

However....

Most here in this discussion have NO allegiance to Christ and thus NO protection from the deceptions of the evil one. You live your life as if your choices do not bear any sort of consequences and think that when you die you are not held responsible for the fruits of your labors here on earth.

This is the deception and the utter disregard of the judgement that the serpent uses to blind you.

Astral Project all you want. Just make sure you are squared away with Christ first and in like mind with the Perfect Will of God.

Christians are no better than anyone else. They just look ahead and realize that they have a chance to avoid the judgement and live with Christ for Good.

[Robert Bruce]

G'day Folks!

To answer Mustardseed's earlier comments:

First and foremost, please do not think that this topic and the ones that will surely follow are designed to attack the bible or any religious beliefs. They are not.  

As I have said a few times here, this turn of events is in response to the attacks of christian fundamentalists on everyone who does not believe exactly as they do. But the field of debate took an interesting turn and has spread to the point where we need more reliable sources of information than hearsay or quick web searches can provide.

The whole idea of what is to come is to show the truth, not to argue bible text. Beth is not coming here to argue with anyone.  She is coming here to teach and share and debate the truth about religious history. In particular, she will be covering the period from 300 bce to 300 ce, but she will also cover from middle ages to modern times.

The reason I asked Beth to participate in this area is because it is such a complex topic and no one here, including myself, has the knowlege to deal with the origins and history of the bible. A great deal of the history of the bible is clouded. If you give her a chance, Beth will remove many of those clouds. And of course, given Beth's academic level, you can expect accurate referencing. We are honored to have Beth's participation.

Please do not think that Beth will come stomping in here matching bible quote for bible quote. This would be circular, unproductive and thus will never happen.  But if you want intelligent, accurate and informative discussion on the history of these matters, then Beth is your girl.

The matters that will be discussed here under the new master forum topic of religion are wide and deep and absolutely fascinating. I look forward to all of this unfolding with great interest.


Take care, Robert.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

Just One question for you.

HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY GO WRONG UNITING WITH CHRIST AND HIS TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DO NOT LIE, STEAL, MURDER, COMMIT ADULTERY, ETC.

HOW IS THAT SO HARD TO ACCEPT?

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF AND SPREAD THE FACT OF THE RESSURECTION.

IT IS IN YOUR HEARTS TO HEAR THE CALL OF GOD AND I GUARANTEE YOU IF YOU PROFESS YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO CHRIST YOU WILL BE A CHANGED PERSON.

Allanon/Narrow Path/What's Next,

The 10 commandements were written for the Jews.  Moses was an initiate.  His vision was a "first set of truths" toward greater truths to come.  More specifically, these 10 commandments are baby steps toward a greater understanding that we are not able to comprehend in our current state.  The human race had just developed intellect and the ego was running wild, as the training wheels had come off (i.e. Angels were no longer doing it for us; we now have to do it ourselves).  [^]

Christ took 42 bits from the Sacred Writings and combined them into the Lord's Prayer.  The Lord's Prayer mentions the 4 lower bodies (physical; etheric; astral; and ego/I) along with the 3 higher bodies.  You are speaking against what the Lord spoke for!  [B)]

ALL religions have a place.  They were all intended.  Your call to arms is inappropriate.  The greatest force in the world is a mind focussed on peace- not war!  []

Until you understand human evoltion, you will most likely be living in fear, which leads to hate.  Hate will produce stupidity in future incarnations.  FYI: Jesus mentions rebirth in the Bible, but informs his disciples that the time is inappropriate for its divulgence.  Surely, you are aware that Jesus taught a different lesson to his disciples than he taught to the masses?  I would guess that someone with your devotion, would be interested in the more esoteric teachings (i.e. hidden).  However, devotion and mere sentiments are NOT the tools for teaching.  It is sinful to present the Word incorrectly!  [}:)]

[Narrow Path]

Robert..

I am curious on just one question if you dont mind.

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?

That is all. Just a one or two word title would be perfect. Just who do YOU think He is? In your heart.

Who is Jesus Christ?

Thank You.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Robert Bruce

First and foremost, please do not think that this topic and the ones that will surely follow are designed to attack the bible or any religious beliefs. They are not.  
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This, of course can only be true.  The astral body (with the ego/I) of EVERY human being separates from the etheric and physical bodies when we sleep.  The Lord's prayer mentions these bodies specifically!

quote:

As I have said a few times here, this turn of events is in response to the attacks of christian fundamentalists on everyone who does not believe exactly as they do. But the field of debate took an interesting turn and has spread to the point where we need more reliable sources of information than hearsay or quick web searches can provide.
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The most reliable source is validation via one's own experience(s).  This is what spiritual development is all about.  It would be incorrect to  expect that if one presents a matter logically, others will accept it.  Unfortunately, people's preferences will decide for them.  People's minds are like cement- all mixed up and permanently set!

quote:

The whole idea of what is to come is to show the truth, not to argue bible text. Beth is not coming here to argue with anyone.  She is coming here to teach and share and debate the truth about religious history. In particular, she will be covering the period from 300 bce to 300 ce, but she will also cover from middle ages to modern times.
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The way the Mystery Schools have always taught the truth is via validation.  This required that the students progress (by degrees) on a path of spiritual development.  One cannot show the truth to one any more than one can teach morality...else we'd all be moral.

The periods that you listed are not appropriate!  In order to understand evolution and religions, one must start from the beginning (i.e. The Saturn period) and move through each phase.  Anything less than this would be incomplete and incorrect.

quote:[

The reason I asked Beth to participate in this area is because it is such a complex topic and no one here, including myself, has the knowlege to deal with the origins and history of the bible. A great deal of the history of the bible is clouded. If you give her a chance, Beth will remove many of those clouds. And of course, given Beth's academic level, you can expect accurate referencing. We are honored to have Beth's participation.
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Knowledge is insufficient.  We must seek to acquire WISDOM, as the acquisition of wisdom leads to morality, which the human race would surely crumble without.  Academic institutions do not teach wisdom; the school of life teaches wisdom- that's why we're here.

It is true, we must approach everything with an open mind.  However, it is also true that Theology is insufficient.  

Presenting trivial questions/answers simply trivializes the subject.  As you know, spiritual matters are not to be trivialized.

quote:

Please do not think that Beth will come stomping in here matching bible quote for bible quote. This would be circular, unproductive and thus will never happen.  But if you want intelligent, accurate and informative discussion on the history of these matters, then Beth is your girl.

Without the occult keys, this spiritual book simply cannot be understood.  Most (i.e. certainly not all) of the people who come to the Astral Pulse do not approach spiritual matters seriously enough to warrant understanding.  Herein lies the root of the problem.  Question and answer periods should only be used to sporn amazement and wonder, which are the keys to learning.  If one is simply looking for a "quick fix" and/or simple answers to simple questions, real learning will not take place.

We are now in a stage of development within our evolution which requires that these matters be presented to the intellect and the spiritual organs.  Unfortunately, people normally choose not to think.  When they do, they apply a materialistic mode of thought toward spiritual matters, which can only lead to more misunderstanding.

This site should be viewed as an appetizer for real learning and not a substitute.  However, people are getting used to the "throw out a question; give me an answer; now I know what you know" mode, which is quite deceiving.  If a senior in high school informs a 7th grader what they learned for the day, it does not make the 7th grader a high school student.

One must also have the occult keys that explain history correctly.  It is not sufficient to present history in a classical sense.  There are countless instances of history being intentionally mis-marked to throw off the materialist.  The occult students learn where these instances exist and how to correct them to understand properly.

[Narrow Path]

quote:Without the occult keys, this spiritual book simply cannot be understood. Most (i.e. certainly not all) of the people who come to the Astral Pulse do not approach spiritual matters seriously enough to warrant understanding. Herein lies the root of the problem. Question and answer periods should only be used to sporn amazement and wonder, which are the keys to learning. If one is simply looking for a "quick fix" and/or simple answers to simple questions, real learning will not take place.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path


I am curious on just one question if you dont mind.

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?

That is all. Just a one or two word title would be perfect. Just who do YOU think He is? In your heart.

Who is Jesus Christ?

Thank You.

Well, that is just my opinion, i hope to not hurt too much people but i think that Allanon's image was relevant: Jesus is a product.