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« on: August 08, 2003, 05:40:40 »

Hello Goingslow,

Let us simplify things as much as possible. Performing magic is little different than performing some action in real life. The main difference is that you are usually acting with invisible forces , rather than those detectable by our 5 physical senses ...for most people. When you get advanced enough you can see/feel/touch etc these invisible forces.

The causes of what you are doing are acted upon on the mental and/or astral planes of existence (these are invisible for most people). The effects are realized on any one of these two planes and/or the physical plane as well.

As far as consequences go the saying "you reap what you sow" still very much applies. So the karmic consequences of your magical acts can be both positive or negative (as is the case with the consequence of actions you already perform on a daily basis).


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Are there consequences for doing "harmless" magic? I think you know what i'm getting at. I've always thought by getting into magic youre just getting yourself in potential trouble. Is this true?



It depends on what you mean by harmless magic. As for the second part, if you don't know what you are doing then that also implies you don't know what the result/consequences are going to be. So yes there is the potential for trouble here. Such a description fits in with the definition of a Sorcerer. This is typically a person with some magical ability but without the right understanding or control of what they are doing and so yes in some cases they could cause some problems for themselves and others. A true "magician" always knows EXACTLY what he's doing, the meaning of every single action he is doing and why he is performing the magical act and with a solid understanding of what it is that is going to come out of it.

Like any other skill you learn in life. Study it well to understand the basics of what it's about and how it works. Practice the underlying pre-requisite skills so you can master it faster and gain control in perfecting your skill.

Lastly, it should also be mentioned that "magic" isn't as simple as reading a few books, buying some paraphernalia (candles, swords, pentacles etc) and chanting a bunch of stuff in Latin or little rhymes in some book.

In order for magic to work, the primary skills that needs to be mastered are:
1) One Pointedness Concentration
2) Strong Will and Emotional Control
3) Right-Understanding
4) Right-Method/Action
5) Perseverance & Patience

Without these, you can spend years reading dozens of books, lighting lots of candles, making lots of wishes and saying many pretty verses with ZERO results. There are some people that due to past-life work have some natural ability, but these people are quite rare and often don't have enough control when they start out due to not enough practice in current life and not enough understanding of what it is they are doing, because the intellect of their previous lives they did magic in, was not transferred to their current bodies/brains.

Magic is an exact science. When you perform a magical act, you should already know what the result will be. If the result does not occur exactly as expected, then you either did it wrong, don't have enough power or not enough control. The basis of magic are not "magical" at all, everything has an exact explanation and everything is quite logical just like the laws of physics, chemistry etc, the science of magic also adheres to Universal Laws that are immutable and can thus never be changed. The wise say, Magic is the ULTIMATE science, because from it all other sciences can be explained and derived.

Best Wishes,
Adept of Light

PS. Purchasing books and only reading them can not do you any harm. Start by educating yourself. Then make a sensible decision as to whether this is something you still wish to pursue. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2003, 15:13:00 »

Hello Adept and Goingslow
  I think the main thing that you do when starting magic is promise to work upon yourself and your control for any magic to be effective. You have to know yourself and what you are doing at all times.
   I suggest books upon meditation to aid with the one-pointedness. I also suggest just some overviews of magic so you decide what you want to study. You should then go to the subjects that seem to fit your interests of the moment. The more you learn the more you will find yourself and way to improve your life and others lives.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2003, 17:29:55 »

The drawback of doing magick? I would suggest one major one, once you get too far in, there is no going back. Non-magick folk (sorry i like harry potter!) can dismiss things as rubbish or coincidence, but once you've performed so many spells, you can never do this. So make sure it is really what you want before you delve in too far.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2003, 07:54:39 »

There is one drawback that can be significant ... many people will not share your interest in magick and depending on your family, friends, and assoiciates at work you may find that you prefer to keep parts of your magical interests hidden. Of course this all depends on you but like I said this can be a significant drawback.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2003, 08:06:20 »

something only happens back when u use black magic. because when u use ti to  harm or anything else evel like than its automaticly black magic. but u cna do some of the same stuff and more with white magic, wich is  good. u shouldn't get a "draw back" from that.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2003, 12:19:38 »

There is no such thing as Harmless magic ALL magic is the manipulation of duality and thus creates Karma (good or bad) and the return effect. You can deflect it to a certain extent (triangular magic) but it comes up and bites ya (or licks ya) sometime.

enjoy yourselves but be prepared to reap what you Sow.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2003, 18:21:05 »

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There is no such thing as Harmless magic ALL magic is the manipulation of duality and thus creates Karma (good or bad) and the return effect. You can deflect it to a certain extent (triangular magic) but it comes up and bites ya (or licks ya) sometime.



What about magick done on yourself then? eg middle pillar.....
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2003, 18:53:50 »

Greetings,

At the final analysis everything is Magic, and every single cause has a corresponding effect, even a transient thought.

Magic in its highest and truest sense as Adept of Light and Nita have said is both knowing yourself and knowing the effect the cause of your Magic will manifest. This is where a true white Magician is aligned with Universal laws and the resulting Magic is white Magic.

Most Magic as read about in books including witchcraft is sorcery and grey Magic at best due to a lack of complete understanding and alignment with universal laws. An excellent example of a book which teaches true, white Magic is Franz Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics. This isn't to say that sorcery or grey Magic will necessarily have negative effects. Every single person creates their own reality, usually at a sub-conscious level. However, more and more people are taking charge of their own realities by using creative visualisation which can be extremely effective, and, after all, almost all sorcery and witchcraft is nothing more than creative visualisation with energy, focus and intent, usually provided by spells or rituals, the powers of the imagination being the key. Creative visualisation provides the energy, focus and intent in other ways, often by means of emotion which is very powerful and unconditional love, and also by frequent repetition. So Magic, conscious or sub-conscious is available to anyone. Of course, there are abilities such as single pointed concentration and advanced power of will which can add considerable potency to any form of Magic.

At the final analysis, everyone should know, whether it is white Magic, grey Magic, sorcery, witchcraft or creative visualisation, that good causes will manifest good effects and bad causes will manifest bad effects which will be karmically negative. These are immutable universal laws. A good way to proceed when wishing to manifest anything is to leave it to the universe to determine how the object of your wishes will manifest. That way you are only specifying your desire, and not how it will be manifested. The wrong thing to do is to try to influence someone with Magic for your own selfish purposes, in which case negative karmic consequences are inevitable. Examples might be wishing for someone to lose their job or spouse so you can have them for yourself, or wishing anyone any sort of misfortune of which there are numerous possibilities. Specify your wish without it including any individual, and let the universe provide.

With best regards,

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2003, 01:31:22 »

I have used magick several times and I do KNOW IT WORKS. You must be very careful how you use it or it will come back on you.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2003, 08:02:06 »

Greetings Chill,

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Originally posted by chill

quote:
Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings,

At the final analysis everything is Magic, and every single cause has a corresponding effect, even a transient thought.

Magic in its highest and truest sense as Adept of Light and Nita have said is both knowing yourself and knowing the effect the cause of your Magic will manifest. This is where a true white Magician is aligned with Universal laws and the resulting Magic is white Magic.



blablabla.. I am sorry but that's my usual reaction when I read your posts, Adrian [Wink] You speak in New Age jargon.




Thre is nothing new age about Universal laws or anything else I discuss, on the contrary, these things are completely ageless. Just because it might not agree with your concepts of Magic does not make it "new age" [Smiley]

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Are you sure that goal visualization is just another word for 'magic' ? I think that visualization is also, if not largely aimed at overcoming mental blocks. No magic there, just psychology. If we can't picture it, we can't believe that what-we-wish-for can happen, we won't allow it to happen, or we won't do what needs to be done in order for 'it' to happen. Just the fact that we don't believe that something can happen can be felt by others. Etc.



Imagination, of which creative visualsation is a part along with the other higher senses is one of the most powerful energies in the Universe. Indeed, the entire Universe is a creation in the infinite mind of The All. In the higher worlds, everything is created by the imagination including visualisation, and there is only one law for all spheres of reality. When something is repeatedly imagined or visualised, the energies are created in the higher worlds and whatever is being imagined is created in the higher worlds, just as they are by the people who are there. According to the laws of correspondence, "As above, so below", these manifestations created in the higher worlds have to in turn manifest into physical reality, that is the way Magic fundamentally works. Of course High Magic involves other factors as well.

Rhymes and movements, i.e. spells and rituals alone have no effect on the Universe whatsoever in isolation, The All did not create the Universe to respond to these things. When casting a spell or performing a ritual, focus, concentration, visualization are called into action. The energy thus evoked is the power that drives the mental images into action and manifestation first in the higher spheres and then in the physical world in accordance with the law of correspondence. The same applies of candle Magic and the like, the desired result is imagined as if it has already manifested, and the candle provides the focus.

With best regards,

Adrian.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2003, 11:26:37 »

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What about magick done on yourself then? eg middle pillar.....



Inguma,

As you probably know from some of my posts a while back, I personaly do not advocate the use of the middle pillar as it only really serves to strengthen your "Guardian de Seuil".

As to evolutory magic performed on oneself; This form of magic directly effects ones internal duality and much less the surrounding duality but the laws of karma etc still apply only they usually manifest very quickly, sometimes immediately!! Evolutory Magic like this helps to unload ones karma but it can be quite a bumpy ride and you will experience a rough few weeks or more but it's for a good cause.

I suggest you look at my post on taking the LBRP to the next level for an indication of how to perform basic evolutory magic, it is a good start and will help you much more than the Middle Pillar. Also this pentagram method goes A WHOLE LOT FURTHER than I have yet posted.

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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2003, 00:33:41 »

Thanks for the advice people.

I wasnt really planning on buying a book then following the spells.  I just have avoided all books on this topic when at the bookstore just because a lot of it seems foolish.  I mean the dabbling and the little "magic spell kits".  Some of the books seem to encourage kids or anyone to pick up the easy to learn magic spells and just go out and do them.  Thats why I wanted some honest information on why a person shouldnt do it.

I also think its important to work on yourself.  I think a lot of people who go to learn magic do it in the hopes they wont have to work on themselves.  That it is a quick fix solution.  

chill,

 
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I think that if you dig enough, 99% of the true motives behind magic practices (in my humble opinion) are egotistical in nature. As a matter of fact, I think that the very interest in researching the subject of magic, and the desire to practice magic are suspiscious.


what do you mean by suspicious?  do you mean the person's intent is suspicious?  I think you might be right about this.  Im not sure if you meant it shows ego though or some type of bad intent.  

I think some of it isnt really ego, but the desire to see effects out there of all this stuff.  If I could see a cause and effect thing firsthand and even control some of it. (on that plane not here) I think it would enhance my life.  I feel like Im always trying to remember what else is out there and really look for evidence its there.  This is mostly to maintain my view on the world and the everyday crap we all have to do.  It just makes it easier etc.  If you could see a cause and effect it seems it would change your perspective on everything.

I know people say everything has an effect, but to actually see it would be pretty amazing.  I know it wouldnt be dramatic like suddenly im a foot tall or something.

What would be the best book to get which talks about the philosphy behind magic and some of the rules?  Id rather get that first than a book that has spells etc.

would it be
Modern Magic mentioned in the "Great books" thread?  Im thinking Bardon's work isnt a great place to start to learn about theory?

I forgot what else I was gonna say..

kinda tired.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2003, 11:01:12 »

there are no drawbacks,
1 if you have even consider doing magic,
that is because you can and were chosen to do so.

then you cannot have kids.
that is the rule.

I could even explain on more then 3 pages of the capacity of this topic.
2 if you are pulling back, there is some part of you missing
here, and some part is left there.
for instance, can you picture the hare in your left hand?
please answer.
then I will tell you the consequence.

the drawback of magic experiments
is comming as hendikeped child or an ape-like child,
or such monstrosity you havent even seened.
I know of 4 separate cases out of 4 cases I have ever encountered.
from their parents, all of the fears of ending magic
was inbuilded in the astral into the children as humans.
they are all abortuses of their parents investigation.

every act is a mark, repeating itself.
at least once.
(in the east, they "believe" thrice!)
that is the most basic law of Energy.
what goes around comes around.
there are no drawbacks,
or there are no beautiful children in your family.
please answer the hare question.

thanks.
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2003, 22:43:23 »

I must say
I was chosen to do magic
and I have a child
beautiful, athletic, intelligent and sweet
a brilliant mathematician at 11 !!!!
she smiles all the time
she knows mother knows Magic

All the same
Magic is dangerous
I must leave the transformative magic behind
(my last try: divorce!)

I must choose instead the easy magic:
a healthy child
a beautiful garden
a large crop of tomatoes
a man who won't leave my bed

Parents who do magic
must be happy with the little things
and leave the dangerous work
to the lonely men
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2003, 17:11:16 »

and how about a Tishue-daydreaming?
that (w)ill do for a schizoid(dreamers).
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2003, 17:16:07 »

Tish is doing magic?
when the hares fly.
and the chicken drive the egg-submarine.
Tish cannot even picture the hare in her left hand.
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2003, 23:32:00 »

My left hand has no hair. But,
I can see the hair on my left arm
when I close my eyes.
What is the consequence?

Have you challenged me?
You make this matador smile.

At the bullfight
the bull always loses

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2003, 13:22:34 »

hare is a rabbit, if you cannot even read Tish.
or you are again practising the bovine excrement?(scusemoi)
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2003, 17:43:23 »

excusemoi, did you actually mean to suggest I was holding a rabbit in my left hand?   I just thought you couldn't spell hair!
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2003, 23:12:41 »

Tsh, you are very amusing for a regular person.
You should be working as an Escort.
waving to your future customers with your hair in your left hand.
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2003, 23:05:45 »

I am seriously considering buying a few of the books mentioned on this forum.  Before possibly starting on this road I would appreciate if anyone could tell me the reasons some might chose not to do so.  

By doing magic do you pretty much decide to make a deal with karma where you take responsibility and say "I know most of this stuff will come back at me, but Im willing to do it"?  Or is it just like anything else where if you stay away from the "dark" aspects of it its just like any other metaphysical pursuit?

Are there consequences for doing "harmless" magic?  I think you know what i'm getting at.  I've always thought by getting into magic youre just getting yourself in potential trouble.  Is this true?

Thanks
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