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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2005, 18:01:19 »

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... You didn't get it. If you would rather enter it with a keyboard, a spirit would try to do it the same way. If it already would need to mess with magnetic feilds or electrical pulses, wouldn't it try to deal with it using a keyboard for an interface rather than trying in vain to monkey around with the surface of a disk or a serial port?

It wold not be easier. Using a keyboard requires a running computer and thousands or even milions times more energy. For serial port a specific program would be needed, text can't be entered without it, it could be done with a program like minicom, but requires hudreds times bigger energy that direct manipulation of disk, and extremely precise timing.
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Now non physical entities are ENERGY and all energy is part of the Electro Magnetic Radiation Spectrum

I am sorry, but I can certainly say that this is BS. Energy is not neccesarily electro magnetic radiation. There are many other kinds of energy, like kinetic energy(energy of moving objects and heat, sound waves), electricity, potential energy contained in atoms and of course energy contained in molecules. There's absolutely no proof that spirits are just energy, and of course there's no proof that spirits are elecromagnetic radiation. The "energy" that you talk about is just a concept, I am sure that some kind of spiritual "energy" exists, but until scientific research will be conducted we don't know what it really is.
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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2005, 00:20:57 »

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It wold not be easier. Using a keyboard requires a running computer and thousands or even milions times more energy. For serial port a specific program would be needed, text can't be entered without it, it could be done with a program like minicom, but requires hudreds times bigger energy that direct manipulation of disk, and extremely precise timing.


... The computer would be turned on already.

It would be much easier than trying to magnetically manipulate the surface of a disk. You'd be required to know the system that the computer uses to store characters and where to store them without messing up the boot sector of the drive, or the work would be wasted. This method doesn't even allow you to check to see if you are getting results, as the computer would be off or the drive not spinning. If you wanted to check, you'd still have to get access to the keyboard to pull up the file.
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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2005, 00:20:57 »

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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2005, 04:00:44 »

There are 5 fundamental forces of the Universe:
1.strong nuclear -glue within atoms to hold them together
2.weak nuclear -allows radioactive decay and the  release of energy
3.electro magnetic energy - sound light heat electrical and magnetic
4.gravity -pull on onjects as they get closer together
as a warping of space between objects
5.dark energy - a repulsive force .. the more space between two objects the greater the force to continue the push to repel them from each other

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Energy is not neccesarily electro magnetic radiation. There are many other kinds of energy, like kinetic energy(energy of moving objects and heat, sound waves), electricity, potential energy contained in atoms and of course energy contained in molecules. .


All sound, heat ,light ,electrical and magnetic activity is part of the EMR spectrum.This is a fundamental concept that is taught as part of the elementary or primary Science curriculum globally .

Here are a few links for your enlightenment :
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/emspectrum.html
http://www.electro-optical.com/bb_rad/emspect.htm
http://unihedron.com/projects/spectrum/


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There's absolutely no proof that spirits are just energy, and of course there's no proof that spirits are elecromagnetic radiation. The "energy" that you talk about is just a concept, I am sure that some kind of spiritual "energy" exists, but until scientific research will be conducted we don't know what it really is.


What humans see is light . What they hear is sound . The spirit message transmits as light and sound . These are EMR transmissions .
 
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but I can certainly say that this is BS. .

I assume you meant  Basic Science ,but  if you meant bull excrement then you would have been unkind . But there is no need to apologise . You already did .
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I am sorry.

it is ok

seriously mate
open your mind
open your heart
open a book
you have serious blockages
to the flow of energy
within you
and you need
a big hug .
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2005, 19:36:25 »

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but if you meant bull excrement then you would have been unkind .

I am sorry for this, next time I will point out things more politely.
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But there is no need to apologise . You already did .

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3.electro magnetic energy - sound light heat electrical and magnetic

Sound is not an electro magnetic radiation. It is a wave conducted through matter, and this can be easily proven - there's no sound in vacuum. Also not all heat is EMR - only the part that is radiated out(infrared radiation and visible light). The heat that is not radiated is an unordered kinetic energy - random movements of molecules and atoms.
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2005, 01:02:18 »

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Sound is not an electro magnetic radiation. It is a wave conducted through matter, and this can be easily proven - there's no sound in vacuum. Also not all heat is EMR - only the part that is radiated out(infrared radiation and visible light). The heat that is not radiated is an unordered kinetic energy - random movements of molecules and atoms.


Sound waves are EMR too . Microwaves and Radio waves for example are sound waves which are commonly labled on the left side of visible light on an image of a spectrum . These waves are low frequency . All forms of sound waves are EMR and all kinetic energy is EMR . It is easier to think of it this way . If you suppose that the kinetic energy of a ball perched on the top of a hill is something other than EMR which other force is it ?

First all heat light sound are EMR by definition but let us look anyway at kinetic energy as you like to consider :
As the ball rolls down it makes friction ...this is heat or EMR .
As you see it rolling spinning into colours that is light or EMR .
As it moves down the hill it wll hit objects such as rocks and make a noise that is sound waves and that is EMR .

But ultimately which of the other 4 forces of the universe do you think it would be ? There are only 5 forces of the universe that we know of at this time globally : Weak nuclear , strong nuclear , emr , gravity and dark .

Neither the example sound waves nor the example kinetic energy that you cite would be gravity , weak nuclear , strong nuclear or dark energy .
They are by definition EMR . Go with the flow on this one .


http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/emspectrum.html
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We may think that radio waves are completely different physical objects or events than gamma-rays. They are produced in very different ways, and we detect them in different ways. But are they really different things? The answer is 'no'. Radio waves, visible light, X-rays, and all the other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are fundamentally the same thing. They are all electromagnetic radiation.
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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2005, 19:56:12 »

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But ultimately which of the other 4 forces of the universe do you think it would be ? There are only 5 forces of the universe that we know of at this time globally : Weak nuclear , strong nuclear , emr , gravity and dark .

You said "forces", and kinetic energy is not a force at all. All forces are determined by the particle's energy, but all energy is not a force. Heat/kinetic energy is just a "speed of movement" of atoms.
Also I've made a mistake in the previous post, by arguing with you I agreed that EMR is a force, but it is not. The force that you are talking about is electromagnetic force(but not radiation)
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Sound waves are EMR too . Microwaves and Radio waves for example are sound waves which are commonly labled on the left side of visible light on an image of a spectrum . These waves are low frequency .

Microwaves and Radiowaves are not sound waves. Also the frequency of a microwaves is MUCH higher than sound(about 2GHz). They can contain sound data(but  not wave), when they are modulated by amplitude or frequency, but they don't have to contain sound data, it can be also visual/digital or nothing at all.
If sound waves would be EMR, they could be emitted through antenna, because antenna can emit radiowaves in the frequencies of sound(10Hz-22000Hz). But antenna cannot be used to do that, and membrane like in a speaker is required, it's movements make matter  to resonate at certain frequency. If you still think that sound is EMR, then explain these questions:
1.Why people don't hear EMR waves with 10Hz-22000Hz frequencies, and they do hear sund waves with the same frequencies?
2. Why EMR wave with the same frequency(for EMR frequency and wavelenght are the same thing) like a sound wave can go though vacuum and sound can't?
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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2005, 04:50:26 »

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Sound is not an electro magnetic radiation. It is a wave conducted through matter, and this can be easily proven - there's no sound in vacuum. Also not all heat is EMR - only the part that is radiated out(infrared radiation and visible light). The heat that is not radiated is an unordered kinetic energy - random movements of molecules and atoms.


Look this is coming down to semantics here
by basic definition microwaves are sound
should they be called a wave
probably not
but they are by popular lexicon
I did not make the language mate
look at the Nasa poster in the links above
I reckon the rocket scientists would know
all heat light and sound are on that continuum
call them as you will

now can we call sound microwaves
a wave
well that is certainly arguable
but at a basic level
humanity would call microwave ovens
cooking with sound
it is not sound we hear
it is not like a light wave
it is sound though
and how we call it is a matter of our own understanding


Certainly there is a difference between force and radiation .
Certainly there is a difference between longitudinal and transverse waves .There is a difference between kinetic and potential energy.
But you came into this argument refuting that spirit are energy.
You believed sound and light were not EM and they mose certainly are .

I have been vey patient but i won't continue on this thread .
I am interested in Spirituality .
I have pointed you to some links .
 I tried to explain it at a fundamental level when you did not have a grasp at all and now you arguing from another level altogether
and i am beyond my scope now .Or at least at the edge of it lol .

But clearly all of your examples are manifestations of the EM force and you are only arguing semantics now .
Of the 5 fundamental forces of nature everything you mention sound ,light , heat : they are all EM .
 Radiation just is one manifestation of the force
and you are only trying to choose between exact words here .

Spirit can be seen
spirit can be heard
it is seen with our eyes percieved by our brain
it has been captured by various technology
but not well

It is a matter of semantics here, all of the phenomenon you mentioned are electromagnetic in nature. You are correct about sound waves propogated through a physical medium of course . But that is not argued by me . But the "force" that allows the atoms to transmit the motion is of course based in electric-magnetic interactions trough the various charged elements of the interaction, ie. electrons protons etc.  

You can be fairly certain that if a phenomenon
does not involve interactions
1. within the nucleus of an atom
2.or radioactive decay (beta decay)
3. or gravity
than it is derived from the unified electromagnetic force, including its static effects. You may correctly call it EM phenomenon and resist EMR or EMR spectrum or "Wave" if you want to argue semantics  but it is EM that is the point . And it is nothing else . Nor could it be .

BTW In general relativity there is only the electric force, the magnetic force is an "illusion" created by the speed of light limit on the electric force. You can find references on Relativistic Magnetism as cited by Princeton . Wrap your mind around that one !

Now let us get back to the subject at hand . Spirit communication must be EM in nature as it is not gravity . It  is not weak or strong nuclear force .
Some humans see spirit . Some humans hear spirit . Spirit message communication is EM.

Will it be captured and displayed by technological means ?
Yes probably sooner than later .
Has it been displayed yet in a verifiable replicable scientific manner?
 No it has not .
All media that has captured spirit is subject to speculation
and to the eye , ears and heart of the beholder .
It can not be proven to be spirit
and  there lies the rub.

But can a medium read over the internet ? Yes of course . I can project RTZ to their homes through it . Always ?....nope .

I can see spirit around the sitter though this medium and I can see their energy body and auric phenomenon in this manner . I can see and hear the messages of a spirit with them in this way . So can other mediums .

Can mediums  do it everytime? Yes .
But to what degree ? Is it great each time ? No.

Sometimes you feel the practice is a waste of effort or human time . It is like a kiss . You need to have both parties interested linked and capable . Otherwise it is swapping spit and nothing else .

Is it always right ? No . We do not see as accurately and objectively in this way nor do we hear well . Clairaudience across a media is always more difficult to get right than clairvoyance . We can perceive the light of spirit easier than the sound .

The conduit the medium and the sitter are some variables . The spirit the guides around them and the mediums guides are other variables . When the energy is high and the transmission is accurate it is a phenomenon worthwhile . Otherwise it is just another practice to try to develop .

I am a clairvoyant and clairaudient medium . I have 7 years of university education . I am a teacher . I have worked  as a science educator . I have tried patiently to raise or lower this concept to explain it  to the best of my ability  . I leave it to you to sort it out CaCoDeMoN . Obientot

I am going to the hot tub with my kids now Smiley
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