Discussion of Archangel Michael's answers

[Reality]

quote:Originally posted by jilola

Reality:

quote:But in my frame of thinking the more spiritually advanced one becomes the more they despice taking advantage of others.

Would it be fair to say that in the spiritual sense takining advantage of another starts when a person expects to gain more out of the other than what he/she needs?
In other words hunting for food, for example, is not taking advantage but hunting beyond the need for food is?

2cents & L&L
jouni

Yes. If you put it like that hunting for flesh is indeed nothing but fullfilling our primary needs [there are other vegetarian ways though these days, however I steal eat flesh heh). Your point is clear enough anyway.

But uhmm...about aliens draining energy from humans, do they need it? I mean isn't there plenty of energy for all of us in nature, or not?

Well, anyway, if I ever meet such a being in the astral, I'il tell them they better stop doing so heh..

[jilola]

quote:But uhmm...about aliens draining energy from humans, do they need it?

Well, I think everyone will guess what my position on beings out to get something form us is.[8D]
I suspect they aren't draining anything since they would probably not have any use for anything we have.

Do you suppose that they don't have their deluded individuals just like we do?

2cents & L&L
jouni

[BlackBox]

quote:In other words hunting for food, for example, is not taking advantage but hunting beyond the need for food is?

2nd Density life (animals) karmically have no ill-will towards being in the circle of life. They are here to have a predator hunt them, and be a predator towards their own prey. That is natural karma.

However, the word 'quality' needs to be analysed. Good food is food that came from high-vibrational animals. A high-vibrational animal would be an animal that, when alive, was loved, cared-for, treated in a proper environment with other high-vibrating creatures. In this type of existence, they do not disagree with their place on the food-chain. They 'know' that instantly after they are killed, they are incarnated again. It is us that complicate death to subjectively examine it as something 'bad'. If a person jumps of the roof of a 44 storey building, he is dead before he hits the ground.

The factories that handle our cattles, the production of our food, do not produce high-vibrational ANYTHING. The animals are in pain from the moment they are born and treated as meaningless forms of life. They are hence, low-vibrational, and the food we eat is low-vibrational, which puts us as levels of energy that, probably, have historically never been seen. It is disgusting to really think about how we treat other lives, all in the name of the Christian industrial age.

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I could debate if Chimpanzees are 3rd Density form of life. I definately do not believe we evolved from them. That is like comparing one type of machine to another. The evolution theory is designed for skeptical Christians.

[Reality]

High and low vibrational food, eh??? WOW! I never thought of it that way! Our energy body absorbs energy from food right? Are you saying that animals that lived a more free and happily life, will contain much more 'energy' then the unlucky ones who have to put up with 1 meter of living space?

Interesting...so if we changed our whole food production system to producing 'high vibrational food' we hit a higher plateau ourselves as well..

[BlackBox]

These are ancient truths though, Reality.

The vibrational levels of our food are intended to be low. Humanity is being manipulated and has been for countless of thousands of years.

[jilola]

Why attribute something to an outside force when simple stupidity will do?
Vibrations in food or not, mankind is not exactly the shining crown of the planet based on its behaviour toward other inhabiting the planet, toward each other, toward their own personas...

Treating animals intended for consumption in a decent manner is simply common sense and should be obvious.

Humanity is indeed being manippulated into the proverbial handbasket and the manipulators are greed, egoism, fear and hatred.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[BlackBox]

quote:Why attribute something to an outside force when simple stupidity will do?

Because I see method to the madness. Because I look farther than just 10 years and put everything that has happened before my life into context. Because many things have happened, step-by-step, bringing us to the situation we are in. I'm not so sure it is humanity to blaim...You don't necessarily blame the dog for attacking a child. You search for the owners.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

These are ancient truths though, Reality.

According to my experiences no, they are not.

If you go down to second density you are basically going down to chaos. That is what Micheal has impressed me with. All entities we eat are, like ourselves, third density. If you can see it with physical eyes (or the equivalent of in higher planes) then it is indeed of that density.

I once projected myself down to the size of the atom. The way I saw those things work was so beyond my physical comprehension that I cannot possibly describe nor remember what I saw exactly, but below us is another realm of possibility that micheal says we originally came from.

Blackbox the way you are thinking of it, these "densities" appear to be more like "mental boundaries" than actuall density and vibrational levels of an atom. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Jilola according to what Micheal said (and of course as stated before you can take it or leave it I will understand) an animal is more of a group soul, and has little in the way of a personal soul. The impression I got from micheal is that if you hunt to eat the soul of the group won't care, but if you hunt them down to extinction for no reason then you are committing a "very high crime" against that soul.

What I did myself to verify the reality of this is to take a look at a fish tank, and instead of individual soul I noticed an atmosphere soul of sorts, and the fish as individuals were so small as to be almost unapparent, but still there nontheless. Those who can't view can probably feel this out.

[cube]

SD you really ought to draw color pictures of what you see, that would make it a lot easier to understand!

[BlackBox]

quote:Blackbox the way you are thinking of it, these "densities" appear to be more like "mental boundaries" than actuall density and vibrational levels of an atom. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I think you are correct in your interpretation.

I believe densities = levels of awareness

I personally believe the definition of densities that Michael gives you is disinformation.

When you look at the world as a human (3rd Density Life-form) your brain interprets all the vibrations, thought, energy and translates it all to 3rd Density matter.

When you look at the world as an animal (2nd Density Life-form) your brain interprets all the vibrations, thought, energy and translates it all to 2nd Density matter.

quote:If you can see it with physical eyes (or the equivalent of in higher planes) then it is indeed of that density.

Your perception hence awareness determines your perspective of reality. If you are looking at the world through human eyes, you will see only that which is 3D, for this is your environment. The mistake you are making, SD, is that you are assuming that everything you look at looks back at you with the same awareness. A bug for example which you see flying through the skies does not interpret and see you in the same manner. That is absurd. It interprets you, through 1st Density awareness (sensations), which is you as what you really are: Vibrations of energy.

quote:Blackbox the way you are thinking of it, these "densities" appear to be more like "mental boundaries" than actuall density and vibrational levels of an atom. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The problem is, as I have said before, you are mixing apples with oranges when contemplating these concepts.

Levels of awareness or "mental boundaries" as you call them, are DIRECTLY connected and inseparable from physical matter. Thought is Matter. What you percieve, your self-concept, your belief-structure, determines what you see, feel, hear, taste, smell. Your sensations are interpreted by your brain which interprets everything to 3D. If you did not have a brain, but were conscious through your spirit alone, you would not be limited/restricted by seeing everything as you do now.

Of course, when you try to think these concepts through while gripping onto your 3D assumptions, you will only see a paradox after another.

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There are two roads in metaphysics. The one that your Michael portrays along with c-o-u-n-t-l-e-s-s of other new-age mediations/channels, and the other which is heavily attacked for its outright simplicity yet acute structure.

I have tasted both roads. I have debated them with countless of correspondents.

I know what I'm talking about here. "Density" is a highly crucial factor in understanding that will either stagnate or flourish your progress. You cannot define it without understanding it manifests your reality from your interpretation. You cannot assume that what you are looking at is looking at you in the same manner.

Namaste.

[BlackBox]

Michael is of a higher-density, no-doubt. This is why it has information at its disposal which will astound those who ask questions.

But please people, we are at a crucial moment in time. You must all be vigilant.

I see disinformation subtly slip-in from Michael's mediations from every corner. This great talent that SD has, is not something that hasn't been established before. It is of great-importance that one thing be acknowledged: NO-INFORMATION IS BETTER THAN DISINFORMATION

You will die, only THEN realizing that you were duped.

A 3D psychic could dazzle you in the same manner, but do not forget the bias that must be acknowledged. The Psychic must acknowledge it also.

If the people who read these threads think I speak like a juvenile, then brush my comments away. But if not, understand my main purpose in this life is to help my neighbours, my comrades. You are all here at this time because these are pivotal moments. In a few years, you will be shocked with how many other mediations of this exact tone will appear. They are all filled with half-truths to hook you in for disinformation, which will in-turn create assumptions in your minds that will damage your purpose.

[LordoftheBunnies]

quote:I believe densities = levels of awareness

I personally believe the definition of densities that Michael gives you is disinformation.

If densities are indeed determined by levels of awareness and perception, then putting them into neat little structured boxes is inherently wrong.  They would vary depending on how you percieve things.  I think this is what Michael was trying to tell you in his response.

quote:But please people, we are at a crucial moment in time. You must all be vigilant.

quote:You will die, only THEN realizing that you were duped.

This sounds like Christian dogma to me.  Exactly what is going to happen if we don't accept the Cassiopeans interpretation on densities?

[BlackBox]

quote:This sounds like Christian dogma to me. Exactly what is going to happen if we don't accept the Cassiopeans interpretation on densities?

Just making sure my opinion is broadcasted loud-and-clear.

Obviously I wont push it any farther, but as long as it's noted. []

Toodles.

[EDIT: I think my latest post (not this one) was over-doing it. I even wanted to delete it, because it didn't come out the way I intended. I think it discredits my character, and I apologize. My difference in opinion on 'densities' stand.]

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

Michael is of a higher-density, no-doubt. This is why it has information at its disposal which will astound those who ask questions.

But please people, we are at a crucial moment in time. You must all be vigilant.

I see disinformation subtly slip-in from Michael's mediations from every corner. This great talent that SD has, is not something that hasn't been established before. It is of great-importance that one thing be acknowledged: NO-INFORMATION IS BETTER THAN DISINFORMATION

You will die, only THEN realizing that you were duped.

A 3D psychic could dazzle you in the same manner, but do not forget the bias that must be acknowledged. The Psychic must acknowledge it also.

If the people who read these threads think I speak like a juvenile, then brush my comments away. But if not, understand my main purpose in this life is to help my neighbours, my comrades. You are all here at this time because these are pivotal moments. In a few years, you will be shocked with how many other mediations of this exact tone will appear. They are all filled with half-truths to hook you in for disinformation, which will in-turn create assumptions in your minds that will damage your purpose.

So after me telling you that the casseopeans are full of dogma and are simply trying to lure people in you throw this out without proof?

quote:
The guy is channeling disinformation, IF he's even channeling. The tone of
what comes through is low frequency, something along the lines of a grumpy
discarnate entity, if not made up by SD himself. Even when something
speaks through another, the frequency and tone gets through, but not so
with this guy.

Also notice that "M" misunderstands questions - that can only be so if the
originator of the answers come through 3D thought process rather than
archangelic knowledge.

Next, notice that his stuff does NOT mesh with the C's/Ra material except
on the superficial things that don't affect our own spiritual progress,
our understanding of hyperdimensional reality, or our ability to transcend
the Matrix control system. M talks about multiple universes, but when it
comes to an actual topic like reptilians, organic portals, etc ... he
takes the "don't pay attention to that, it's not important" or "that's not
true" or "here's a smart-butt answer that sidesteps your question" approach
without EVER explaining why or giving more details.

Remember, STS forces tell the truth when convenient. Other times, they
suppress or divert it. M reminds me a lot of "The Author" of Matrix V. Not
saying they're the same person, but they do have the same tone and vibes.

Here's what he advocates:

- doing rituals to get in touch with "archangels" (michael, gabriel,
metatron, etc... are terms heavily promoted in the disinformative type of
channeling. Same goes for mother sekhmet, saint germain, sananda, etc...
These rituals uplink you directly to 4D STS, so of course something will
seem to "guide" you when you do them.)

- that reptilians are not real, and there are only some grays. (then who
made the grays? and why do abductees remember encounters with reptilians?
Why are some reported grays more reptilian in appearance - I've seen one
myself - suggesting they are hybrids but crossed with what? obviously a
reptilian. Why are there ancient accounts and depiction of reptilian
beings, such as the carvings at Mohenjo Daro, Mayan building statues,
ancient figurines, and elsewhere? Why do many world political leaders
obviously hosted by something evil have facial structures that look
reptilian, suggesting the reptilian energy functions as a template to
shape their physical growth over the years? Why are dragons so popular in
mythology from europe to asia?)

- that M occupies 27th density. Is that a joke? He has no understanding of
what a density is. Also funny that "The Author" of Matrix V claims to get
his knowledge from monroe's Focus Level 27. Why do disinformation sources
always use the same symbolism and terminology? Oh yeah, because it all
comes from the same originator.

My opinion is that SD is either making this up (lying, basically, and it's
more funny that later he said that the channeling sources you have
"verified" could be lying, something of a projection on his part) or else
he's tapping into the channeling disinformation pool that others connect
to, like these people: http://www.quatloos.com/NESARA.htm (scroll down,
in the left column are some audio files called "message from Lord Sananda"
and "afternoon with Mother Sekhment" - listen to one, and you'll know what
I'm talking about).

Later SD says this:

"Let me tell you one thing. If anyone ever claims ANY CHANNELING IS
"VERIFIED" they are full of it. The only way to know for a fact is to be a
watcher of the channeling itself, and you can't really do that very well
over the internet. Even at that viewing is not always a good way to know
if something is genuine, because the guy could easily be lying. You can't
know for a fact that a channeling is true, unless you do the channeling
yourself, and even at that you have to be a "master" at it. These so
called "elders" don't know what they are talking about, sorry to say."

Obviously he doesn't know the meaning of the term "discernment" or
"research" or "intuition". You don't have to be at a channeling to know
that it's legit. I attended a cass session myself, and could see myself
that no one at the board was making it up because the letters came too
quickly and the answers were of things that the board operators themselves
couldn't know (like personal details, answering the question correctly
when even the board operators didn't understand the question themselves),
but in fact, how it's done is inconsequential since what matters is the
material that gets through, which anyone can discern for himself as to
whether it's worthy or not. As I pointed out above, M gives crappy
information that's often false or contradictory or avoids answering the
question or misunderstands it completely.

What does it take to verify channeling? That it's self-consistent,
independent of the channeler's level of confusion or ignorance, that it
explains things better than any other theory out there, that no facts
disprove it's main premises, that it has a lucid and wise vibe and
demonstrates this through the conciseness and accuracy of answers given,
that it respects freewill but nevertheless intentionally guides one toward
the truth, and that it makes statements which later are verified through
independent research and experience.

Attending a channeling is one way for 4D STS to use their tricks to add a
"wow" factor to convince the gullible with levitations and balls of light,
things that have nothing to do with the material given by the channeing
itself.

Feel free to post this email to the board.

I originally was not going to comment on this, but if you actually take a look you can see what this guy is throwing at you and how he isn't really looking at my mediations at all, I did indeed give out personal information I could not have known at all. This specific statement is dogma all the way:

quote:Next, notice that his stuff does NOT mesh with the C's/Ra material excepton the superficial things that don't affect our own spiritual progress,our understanding of hyperdimensional reality, or our ability to transcend the Matrix control system. M talks about multiple universes, but when it comes to an actual topic like reptilians, organic portals, etc ... he takes the "don't pay attention to that, it's not important" or "that's not true" or "here's a smart-butt answer that sidesteps your question" approach
without EVER explaining why or giving more details.

Most people can look at these channelings and tell by actions such as these that this is nothing more than simple dogma being thrown at them.

My point here is, blackbox, that your casseopean "religion" is all dogma, and I have yet to see anything of substance. I did read a lot of those channelings, and I found a lot of crap.

For the final time, I am done commenting about this to you. You have shown us many times that you are almost fanatically for these other channelings and as such arguing with you has become counter-productive.

[mactombs]

I think the "reptiles" are rather humorous in a ridiculous way. It's a paranoid fantasy cemented by paranoia and nothing substantial.

I've read all of AA posts; some things align with ways I think, but in a lot of ways it's also always playing it safe.

At present I don't believe in mediations or channeling of any kind. I don't even understand how they are necessary given the abilites of so many other alleged paranormal things. As far as progression further spiritual understanding, I'm not sure the info has done anything at all.

In most psychic type divining or whatever you want to call it, people pick out the parts that relate to them and that they like, and the rest of it conveniently forget, especially the parts that falt-out contradict what they know to be true.

Can anyone make a synopsis of all information spiritually pertinent? Or is it all smoke?

[BlackBox]

SD, my concern is to have my opinion on your material stated so that any wandering readers will have it noted.

The cassiopaean material is not what I necessarily hold as 100% true. The channel labelled its mediations itself as 70% correct, 30% bias.

I believe in densities of awareness and that disinformation comes in all sorts of packages. I think you are mediating disinformation. Your channel will, of course, have information that will astound those who ask questions. But that is not an indication of verifying the source as safe. Your mediations are among countless others with the same tone and the same subtle strings of disinformation.

Your diagnosis on all of the material I think are credible, has always been with lack of time, effort, and an open-mind.

Namaste.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

Michael is of a higher-density, no-doubt. This is why it has information at its disposal which will astound those who ask questions.

But please people, we are at a crucial moment in time. You must all be vigilant.

I see disinformation subtly slip-in from Michael's mediations from every corner. This great talent that SD has, is not something that hasn't been established before. It is of great-importance that one thing be acknowledged: NO-INFORMATION IS BETTER THAN DISINFORMATION

You will die, only THEN realizing that you were duped.

A 3D psychic could dazzle you in the same manner, but do not forget the bias that must be acknowledged. The Psychic must acknowledge it also.

If the people who read these threads think I speak like a juvenile, then brush my comments away. But if not, understand my main purpose in this life is to help my neighbours, my comrades. You are all here at this time because these are pivotal moments. In a few years, you will be shocked with how many other mediations of this exact tone will appear. They are all filled with half-truths to hook you in for disinformation, which will in-turn create assumptions in your minds that will damage your purpose.

I listened to the same frequency as you last spring for a while,
but then I switched it because I believed it was all BS. Or maybe
true for some and in some cases but for me it was . . . .. .

There are a LOT of frequencies out here that goes on 24/7,
most of them are junk anyway. One sure frequency is you, yourself
and your Higher Self.

But still, why are so many people hysterical about things?
We are in the end almost Immortal begins, so what is the
point in being worried? []

And yes we are at a very crucial time in moment. Humanity will evolve from being a primitive 'idiotic' culture into being a primitive culture.

[SpectralDragon]

Blackbox, as I keep stating, take mediums with a grain of salt, and you seem to keep forgetting that I have repeatedly said that. I still have yet to see your proof, it's still a bunch of dogma.

Mactombs I think part of the problem with that is people interpret things differently.

[MJ-12]

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[Nay]

I'm the weird one out, so can someone explain what all these densities are?  What is the fourth density?  I THINK that it is just another word for planes, vibrations or something..I'm not sure.[:I]

PS. What is STO & STS stuff?  I know, it's probably been explained, but I need it explained again..[^]

Thanks,

Nay

[MJ-12]

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[Nay]

LOL..ahhhhhh of course, the next to the 3rd..[]

Still don't know what all the densities mean, perhaps, break it down for me.[?]  Gosh, I just know this has been talked about already.[:I]

Sorry, Nay [^]

[BlackBox]

Nay,

Read my 3rd post on this thread: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12807&whichpage=1

[SoulDragon]

As I said in the other thread before I read this one, it would be interesting to figure out what guardian I might have. I was always the weird kid. Like Blackstream, I love dragons. The two I have created in my mind are Sun and Moon. I think my natural element is water, since I am a strong swimmer and feel good energy from it. I hope this is enough info and that you guys have agreed that Michael is indeed an Arch Angel. Anyway SD I hope this isn't too much trouble!
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Please refer to me as SoulDragon so there is no confusion.

Tyler

[Anonymous]

SD I have noticed you seem to have some individuals that work hard to express how they are helping others by warning others that you are a fraud. When you look at this expression does it occur to you that they are saying the creator does not love these poor misguided souls enough to protect them from the " monster " they have labeled you? Are they saying that if not  for thier attacks on you and what your trying to do, that you all by yourself, could pervert the human race and that they with thier magic powers and hand made capes and opinions of what is truth are saving the whole human race from you and the readings your doing?  Seems to me they are calling the readers of your writings on your meditations simple minded.  I would hope instead that they understood that we learn from where we need to learn and are guided to look at what serves us best and that we can learn from you or michael or the fifth grader that smiles and gives us part of thier candy. If what we seek is unconditional love at the end of the day then if we love each other  we will allow unconditional acceptance to make the truth of others just fine with out need to attack or defend. I would suggest that in the same way you can not reason with a chemical in a drug addict you can not reason with fear energy and its compulsion to attack and defend it comings and its goings. Like you  those that need to reach out to you and what your doing will be pushed to read as you are pushed to write.