Cassiopaean Channeling Discussion

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

I am speaking in regards to our energy and in what ways we structure ourselves, independantly, as to not drain one another in a predator/prey interaction. I am saying that if we act in unison, harmony, and yes, in a hive-mindish approach in the way we circulate our energy, chaos occurs naturally as OPPOSED to by manipulation.

I can't speak for moonburn, but I would say that if you think about it, and the way the casseopeans seem to be portraying things, chaos does not exist in thier philosophy, everything seems structured. Thus I think this statement is nulled in that regard.

I would also like to note that while you would like to say you can make yourself balanced and perfect, chaos intervenes in that regard too. Nobody is perfect, and nobody ever will become perfect, otherwise life as we know it would not be. Balance should be strived for, but perfection is not needed. It makes life more interesting this way, for if there were nothing to strive for we would not truly be "alive."

quote: value individualism in those regards also. However I'm not speaking of attributes such as creativity, innovation, etc, and their application for creations such as art...you are taking what I'm saying and pulling it down a slippery slope.

I am not seeing this, I am seeing someone try and explain to you what he see's and has experienced through his own experiences. I believe what he said is well-biased and should be considered. If you try to structure everything then what happens is you lose the creativity you see in nature. Energy should work as it is in nature. While Bee's are natural they are not human, they are simple creatures with simple ways. If you apply this to energy then you have a practice that is simple yet limited. Again, I cannot speak for Moonburn but this is how I see the application of what he spoke of.

[BlackBox]

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon:

I can't speak for moonburn, but I would say that if you think about it, and the way the casseopeans seem to be portraying things, chaos does not exist in thier philosophy, everything seems structured. Thus I think this statement is nulled in that regard.

You are incorrect. The C's certainly do not portray things in that manner. SD, if you want to discuss the C's and their philosophies, please first read the material and the transcripts. Like I have said in my above post, chaos can either occur naturally or by manipulation. An example of natural chaos would be the transitions between the seasons. Fall to Winter to Spring. Chaos in nature. Chaos is unavoidable. However it can either occur naturally or be triggered by manipulation.

quote:Originally posted by SpectraDragon:

I would also like to note that while you would like to say you can make yourself balanced and perfect, chaos intervenes in that regard too. Nobody is perfect, and nobody ever will become perfect, otherwise life as we know it would not be. Balance should be strived for, but perfection is not needed. It makes life more interesting this way, for if there were nothing to strive for we would not truly be "alive."

I agree with the above, but this is off-topic, so I am wondering if you are just posting this for the point of putting in your opinion, brushing off what I am implying, or missing the point.

Moonburn is speaking about the hive-mind being imposed to culture and expression. Ie - everyone think the same thoughts, act the same, smell the same -- in essence, smothering individualism.

I cleared this up, by saying that I am not indicating that a circular-power-structure be applied to a culture, but to the discipline of the ATOM, the CELL, or in our immediate reality, the individual. By disciplining ourselves in sustaining our own energies and circulating these energies harmoniously in an idealistic power-structure that is NOT dominantly present in our society, vampirism is avoided. Vampirism is something that occurs from within a pyramidal-power-structure. It occurs naturally in this environment as it does by intention, which is disruption of one unit for the gain of the other. Read Reality's post from which I am responding to and put this all in context.

I agree with what you have said, SD, but you are missing the point of what I'm saying. This is a Cassiopaean thread and I'm expressing expanded thoughts to Reality and those who are interested. If you disagree, that is fine. I have learnt from my past attempts (as of late -- Thank you Akensai) that everyone is suited for their own reality, and one cannot impose itself on the other.

Namaste.

[James S]

"Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order, because it is better organized."
- Terry Pratchett

Just a little distraction for you all from this deep and serious topic.

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James.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon:

I can't speak for moonburn, but I would say that if you think about it, and the way the casseopeans seem to be portraying things, chaos does not exist in thier philosophy, everything seems structured. Thus I think this statement is nulled in that regard.

You are incorrect. The C's certainly do not portray things in that manner. SD, if you want to discuss the C's and their philosophies, please first read the material and the transcripts. Like I have said in my above post, chaos can either occur naturally or by manipulation. An example of natural chaos would be the transitions between the seasons. Fall to Winter to Spring. Chaos in nature. Chaos is unavoidable. However it can either occur naturally or be triggered by manipulation.

quote:Originally posted by SpectraDragon:

I would also like to note that while you would like to say you can make yourself balanced and perfect, chaos intervenes in that regard too. Nobody is perfect, and nobody ever will become perfect, otherwise life as we know it would not be. Balance should be strived for, but perfection is not needed. It makes life more interesting this way, for if there were nothing to strive for we would not truly be "alive."

I agree with the above, but this is off-topic, so I am wondering if you are just posting this for the point of putting in your opinion, brushing off what I am implying, or missing the point.

Moonburn is speaking about the hive-mind being imposed to culture and expression. Ie - everyone think the same thoughts, act the same, smell the same -- in essence, smothering individualism.

I cleared this up, by saying that I am not indicating that a circular-power-structure be applied to a culture, but to the discipline of the ATOM, the CELL, or in our immediate reality, the individual. By disciplining ourselves in sustaining our own energies and circulating these energies harmoniously in an idealistic power-structure that is NOT dominantly present in our society, vampirism is avoided. Vampirism is something that occurs from within a pyramidal-power-structure. It occurs naturally in this environment as it does by intention, which is disruption of one unit for the gain of the other. Read Reality's post from which I am responding to and put this all in context.

I agree with what you have said, SD, but you are missing the point of what I'm saying. This is a Cassiopaean thread and I'm expressing expanded thoughts to Reality and those who are interested. If you disagree, that is fine. I have learnt from my past attempts (as of late -- Thank you Akensai) that everyone is suited for their own reality, and one cannot impose itself on the other.

Namaste.

I will repeat this to you, for what I think is the fifth time, I have looked at it, and regardless of weather or not I have looked at it, you are not one who can impose this upon me against my will:

quote:SD, if you want to discuss the C's and their philosophies, please first read the material and the transcripts

You portray me as being negative, you portray, after several years of me helping people with psychic problems, that I am STS, you try and portray me as a fraud, and now you are trying to impose your will on me.

When I speak, I make quite sure of what I am talking about, thank you very much. Remember this next time you say I am full of it and that I need to "study up more."

One thing I would like to add:

quote:Like I have said in my above post, chaos can either occur naturally or by manipulation.

By it's own definition, chaos cannot be completely understood. Chaos happens when it will, and you cannot completely define when it will happen. Take a look at James' quote. While I don't like the abstract way the quote is it makes a very valid point.

Blackstream you still seem to make most of these judgements based upon assumptions like this:

quote:Vampirism is something that occurs from within a pyramidal-power-structure. It occurs naturally in this environment as it does by intention, which is disruption of one unit for the gain of the other. Read Reality's post from which I am responding to and put this all in context.

Vampireism is something that comes from need. It doesn't matter what kind of structure you have, if someone is desperate enough it will happen. I have seen enough cases of it to know.

[Reality]

Okay well, you're all making interesting points'. Hey before you continue reading I want you to check your shoe ties, because the moment you clicked on this topic, they 'magically' got untied. No I'm not kidding, you seriously should check that first! And while you're at it, try to figure a way to tell me how incredibly lame that joke was(or maybe it wasn't a joke at all, and your shoe ties actually did become untied!)

Aiiiiiight!

First, I don't think that I was inferring to a hive mind society without creativity. Nor I was promoting anything. I was trying to make sense out of the whole STO and STS concept, nothing more and nothing less. Moonburn, I dont understand how this would do away with individualism and creativity, can you explain? (that's not sarcastic!) It's not like there's a dictator that says you must serve others! To me it's indeed more of a discipline, that has to come from within and is benefitical for all.

And to my opinion spectral dragon is right that some resistance/chaos/whatever is needed to keep things alife. See it like this. There's two people holding a rope, pulling. If person A overpowers person B, it's a onesided/boring play. If both are almost equally powerful, with constant 'tension', it's an interesting; alife play. It keeps you alert, and therefore awake. [the persons playing, not the ones watching, because yes for them it would get boring eventually]

Then, James, you are cracking me up man! I was just thinking, what's up with chaos? To me that comment is even funnier then how truthfully it might be

Yeah people? Define Chaos for me please! What is it exactly? Is there such a thing as chaos? Or is it just an illusion? A thoughtform? A very funny joke?  
You know thinking in terms of chaos and order makes me all serious and maybe a bit negative. Cant we just call it a very very funny joke versus a different but also very very funny joke?

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

It starts out simple, depicting ideas that coincide with the alchemical law of 'As Above, So Below' and Toltec philosophies of the dualistic relationship that exists within the materialized Universe.

1.) Black-Hole
2.) Star/Sun

They represent the major duality in the Universe which plays its way down in importance all the way down to our density. The Black-Hole represents sustaining 'oneself' by means of sucking energy from ones environment and whatever exists within that environment. A Star represents sustaining oneself by radiating and producing energy of its own accord, and emitting that energy outwards. The former takes and destroys life while the latter gives and creates life. It could also be theorized that they work together in dark-matter existence to form a Universal recyclement of energy and therefore matter.

I must say that I couldn't disagree more with the 'truth' "As above, so below". Since it in all ways seem illogical to assume that two
totally irrelevant things are like. Of course their value is the same,
but other than this I don't seem to find. In my ears this
is beginning to sound like some of those cheesy-trends [)]

You defined life with a very good view in my opinion with that
life is a conduit. Though it goes beyond this also []

Anyway about the Black Holes and Suns I wish to correct you.
It is true that Stars are self-sustaining and radiating and
seems to create life in this dimension. But it is completely
untrue that Black holes takes and destroys life. Since Black Holes
are the ones that in the end 'keeps things glued together'.

If you go to a bigger scale with Stars & Black holes, you will
notice that Supermassive Black Holes seems to be a process that
leads to Starburst in a galaxy. The meaning of starburst is that
the rate of Stars getting born is accelerated to a very very high
rate in comparison to a 'normal' galaxy. So the truth is that
black holes are infact a larger factory of life than stars.

I'm not sure if I got it completely right but I bet you can
find more information about this on google on supermassive black
holes and starbursts.

Sorry this got a way of the thread topic but I find it to be
important information anyway [|)]

[BlackBox]

SD. Your point of reference, the only environment from which you draw your conclusions and experience, is a pyramid-power-structure.

In my opinion, you lack the ability to visualize and conceptualize the other side of the coin.

I'm not trying to impose my beliefs. This is a Cassiopaean thread and I am expanding on Cassiopaean thoughts. I find great merit in thinking outside of our assumed logic, but I cannot interact with an unresponsive wall.

That quote, James, is a good one. But keep in mind two things when trying to conceptualize on an environment that does not exist in our world: (1) That man (Terry) lived in this environment, under the same pyramidal-power-structure as we do, so he is describing IT and not an alternative. (2) I am not speaking of structure applied to our free-will. I am speaking of structure applied to our enery fields. The way we sustain and circulate them. The virtue of 'chaos' is not being generalized in my statements, it is being described as a natural event when specifically conditioned under a circular-power-structure.

[James S]

Thanks Reality!
[]
I'm glad someone could see the humor in it.

For those that don't know him, Terry Pratchett is a comedic writer. His main series of books - the Diskworld novels, are a send up of all sorts of things, societies, scientific theories, etc. He is however a frighteningly intelligent writer, as one would have to be to convincinly poke fun at some very complex concepts as he tends to do a lot.

Probably best to sum it up with another quote of his -
"That statement is either so deep it would take a lifetime to fully comprehend every particle of its meaning, or it is a load of absolute tosh. Which is it, I wonder?"

[]
- James.

[Taalnar]

Hi guys, I've seen some interest on Cassiopeaens on these boards recently, so I thought I would start a thread discussing their channelings.  I have spent a number of hours reading through the channelings and found some holes in them.  I have all the channelings from 16/07/94 - 28/09/02.  

OK here is a prophecy which hasn't come true.

Channeled July 23, 1994

quote:Q: (L) Do you have information for us this evening?
A: Space invasion soon. Four to six years. Battle between forces good and evil. Wait near. Look far. Listen.
Mexico falls; Ethiopia quakes; September both will happen. Near January: Paris bomb; London Blizzard, 109
die; Plane down in Tahiti; Cholera in Montana January. Government of U.S. behind California Quakes. Three
soon. Oklahoma political abduction in February. Big news.

The year is now 2004, and these havn't happened.

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Here is a prophecy which did come true, but I think a lot of people could have guessed it.

Channeling October 5, 1994

quote:Q: (L) Is OJ Simpson going to be found guilty?
A: No.

Also, on this next channeling Ra instead of Cassiopeans who they wanted to talk to came through.  Does this mean these channelers can also not be 100% certain who they talk to?

Channeled July 27, 1994

quote:Q: We want to communicate with the Cassiopaeans.
A: I am Ra keeper of light.
Q: What are you here to tell us?
A: UFO not all bad.
Q: Why is the connection so bad tonight?
A: You see you are tired.
Q: [Unknown question.]
A: Level through 6.
Q: [Unknown question.]
A: Planet.
Q: [Unknown question.]
A: Always. Please let me go. It was clear that the energy was very weak on this last contact. It was also
curious that the character "Ra" came through and identified himself as a "keeper of light."

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I find this one interesting, it was channeled in October 7, 1994.  Would this be aroud the time of the historic Isreal/Pelastine peace treaty?

Channeled October 7, 1994

quote:Q: (L) Were any of the descendants of Jesus famous individuals that we would know.
A: Yes. Yassar Arafat. Churchill.

It had also mentioned Arafat in a previous channeling same context as well as Pope V.

Now here is the context channeled later which is exactly what I was thinking why they would at the time think so highly of Yasser Arafat.

Channeled 22 October 1994

quote:Q: (L) On a couple of occasions it has been mentioned that Yasser Arafat was a fifth
density soul and that he was a descendant of Jesus of Nazareth. What is there about him that
demonstrates these qualities or these genetics?
A: Have you not seen? Imagine what it would be like to be Yasser Arafat. Look at your
perception. What is he doing now?
Q: (L) Well the pro-Jewish point of view is not favorable to him.
A: Well, what you describe as pro anything is an obsession. And, as we know, obsession
blocks knowledge which in turn blocks the ability to protect oneself against negative
occurrences. Not a good idea. If you were following circumstances, Yasser Arafat is now
trying to take the world upon his shoulders by making peace with the Israelis who have
been enemies for a very long time. And, therefore, he is now a peace maker and knowledge
dispenser.
Q: (L) In that particular conflict between the Jews and the Arabs, which side has the
greater validity?
A: All sides have equal validity. It is only with individuals we find negativity or positivity.

Taken in the year 2004 context, these words sound quite silly.  Especially calling Arafat a peace maker and knowledge dispenser.  He is now in hiding and the conflict is still very far from peace.  My question is why would "we are you in the future" not have known this about Arafat and the Israel/Palestine conflict when it is so obvious to many of us 3rd density folk.

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And lasty here is an interesting one on STS and STO and who they serve, apparently its both.  How?  They serve themselves through others.  That sounds exactly how an STS would operate to me by using others for their own purposes.

Channeled 22 July, 1994

quote:Q: (L) Where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Where do you live specifically?
A: Live in omnipresence.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: All realms.
Q: (L) Can you tell us what your environment is like?
A: Too difficult at this time.
Q: (L) Well take a stab at it.
A: What is a stab?
Q: (L) Do you serve self or others.
A: Both. Serve self through others.

Here is there explanation given in a further channeling.  

10 December 1994

quote:Q: (T) You talk about both STO and STS. Yet you tell us that we need to learn to be STO.
Why is there a difference between what we have to do and what you are doing?
A: STO is balance because you serve self through others.
Q: (T) You have said a couple of times that you are STS by being STO. Is this not true?
A: Yes. Already answered.
Q: (T) Kind of like: what goes around, comes around?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Is STO a means to an end for STS?
A: No. STO is balance. STS is imbalance.
Q: (T) How can you be STS through STO if STS is imbalance?
A: STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and
touches only origin point.
Q: (T) Well, they refer in the material that I am reading through, that they are STS through
STO. (L) They serve self BY serving others. (T) Is that what they mean? (L) Yeah. (T) Is
that what we're supposed to do, serve ourselves by serving others? (T) Yeah! Because
what goes around, comes around. If you serve others then you get things back. (F) Because
when you serve yourself, all there is is an infinite number of individuals serving self. (T)
There is no energy exchange, no synergy within the group; there is no exchange. (F)
Everything moves inward. (T) There is no sharing, no growth, there is no nothing. (F) No
interconnecting. (T) Right! There is no learning.

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Anyone know of any prophecies or anything they predicted that came true?  I wouldn't have a clue if any of them have though I have seen many that havn't.