Abduction to the Ninth Planet. Anyone?

[narfellus]

We, the Arcturians...

It's a book i'm reading now that was channeled telepathically by two women about 8 years ago. Anyway, i THINK they are the Greys, at least some of them, and according to the book they are a highly spiritual race that are much more evolved that humans. They reside normally in the 5th dimension, whereas humans still occupy only the 3rd. The Arcturians have been where the Earth is now long, long ago in their past. They survived, and through the process of normal evolution as a species, they transcended the material world and gained a much, much closer relationship with God.

They are here to help and observe humans as we make the transition in this New Age as well, and the book offers many insights as to their culture, way of life, beliefs, society, children, spiritual leaders, technology, etc.

Now, this doesn't have much to do with the 9th Planet as far as i know, but the Arcturians state that there are many, many intergalactic species interested in earth, some for the better, some for the worse. Some species are similar in appearance to the Arcturians (1 meter tall, black almond eyes, scientifically advanced) but they are no more spiritually advanced than most humans. Some of these might abduct people to do experiments to learn more of the human chakra centers and how they work. In turn, the Arcturians have taken people as well for there own, less sinister reasons.

I guess my whole point is that there is more out there than meets the eye, but one must be very discerning to seperate the lies from the truth. There is insanity in the world, desperate people who will believe and say anything.

In my experience Truth is very simple, not complex. Truth is always truth, and speaks to your inner self in appropriate ways IF you are in tune with yourself.

[vesselinpeev]

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I guess my whole point is that there is more out there than meets the eye, but one must be very discerning to seperate the lies from the truth. There is insanity in the world, desperate people who will believe and say anything.

In my experience Truth is very simple, not complex. Truth is always truth, and speaks to your inner self in appropriate ways IF you are in tune with yourself.
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Your above words are very well put and to the point. One should be very discerning, as you say. The problem is that we cannot be discerning unless we have more knowledge and skills such as astral travel, telepathy, access to deep inner intuition, access to the fabled psychosphere, etc. We must develop in actuality without any blind beliefs and without relying on any book. Such beliefs and books can only help us to build our own assumptions, but we have to TEST EACH AND EVERY ASSUMPTION, or we will either get lost or commit a grave mistake and end up badly. So practice and test, test and practice
I too, like Sweet Celestial Sounds (also known as Cezyl), think that the book is factual, but I will not, even for a second, bet on anything in the book, unless I've verified it myself.
The essence of the book, though, correlates very well with books such as "Living with the Himalayan Masters" by Swami Rama.
So I'm off with the work... Good luck to everyone and thank you all for your wise comments. It is very uplifting for me to read such words and to feel that there are noble souls accross the globe.

P.S.
The title page of "Thiaoouba Prophecy" / "Abduction to the Ninth Planet" reads "Believing is not enough. You need to KNOW".
I confirm the words of Sweet Celestial Sounds that the aliens, or whoever they were, if any, did not say or infer that we should blindly believe them. They only said "Never forget that we have the knowledge." So I guess this is all good, but this means that we have to have at least some true spiritual knowledge, too, to fully comprehend the message in the book.
For more discussion on the book, you are welcome at http://www.goldenplanetforum.com -- an open discussion place.

[narfellus]

quote:We must develop in actuality without any blind beliefs and without relying on any book. Such beliefs and books can only help us to build our own assumptions, but we have to TEST EACH AND EVERY ASSUMPTION, or we will either get lost or commit a grave mistake and end up badly. So practice and test, test and practice

True, true. About everything i've ever learned has been from books, but they were often books from accredited teachers, or verified by thousands of others for their authenticity and truth. The "alien books" are really fringe for me, but i'm looking into them primarly because i do believe in aliens in this big ol universe, and i don't think it's crazy that some would have an interest or vestment in humans.

[19]

I wish I can get abducted from this dull miserable planet.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Are you contributing to the "miserableness" or are you changing it to be more positive? Life is what you make of it.

[vesselinpeev]

I like your comment very much, Fallenangel. The whole point of spiritual evolution, and in fact any sensible evolution, is to do your homework by yourself. No one is going anywhere, unless one does his best to change the world for the better.
Though I wish that intelligent, evolved human beings from another planet visited us when we are more ready...

[zark]

quote:Originally posted by ninthplanetwhen I first read it I was a bit skeptical; however, as I began to journey more into the New Age world, I observed a connection with much of the book's material.

Perhaps it would be best for some if they read it as a science fiction, since they will find it difficult (but not impossible) to verify that what they say is true.

Even if you read it as simply a work of science fiction, it still contains invaluable advice don't you think! ..

[ninthplanet]

I am posting this topic for anyone who has read, or is curious about the book titled Abduction to the Ninth Planet.  It is about a man named Michel Desmarquet who is reportedly abducted by a highly spiritual civilization, and is taken back to their home planet, Thiauooba, in 1987.  Like many, when I first read it I was a bit skeptical; however, as I began to journey more into the New Age world, I observed a connection with much of the book's material.  Much of it talks about the metaphysical realm, such as: OBE's, chakras, levitation, astral travel, and auras to say the least.  I also enjoyed the fact that it offered a different view on our Earth's past, relating to the pyramids, Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, and Easter Island.  
 
  I find my topic in line with this specific forum in that this book stresses the importance of spiritual evolvement, and the act of freewill.  It offers plenty other interesting topics that has helped me find order in the chaotic world of belief systems.  Please explore the website www.thiauooba.com , and please send any type of reply, I would like to hear from anyone.

-ninthplanet

"Failure is the opportunity to begin again, this time more wisely"

[yothu]

Hey guys,

there is a website with TV-Interviews with the author of "Thiaoouba Prophecy a.k.a. Abduction to the Ninth Planet" Michel Desmarquet available in Real-Media-format.

Check it out, be quick

http://oriharu.net/jvideo.htm
(EDIT: This works now, you have to search for "Michel" and will find three links)

[MiddleWay]

I believe the book is a compilation of eastern philosophy, alien abductee reports, and the author's own childlike imagination. The entire premise of the book, as far as my intuition is concerned, is to deliver a message. That message being the promotion author's personal social ideological concepts and eastern philosophical beliefs. The only reason anything written concerning metaphysics strikes any cord with anyone is because the author got the information from the same place you did. A book. I could right a book right now borrowing from all kinds of eastern philosophies and New Age rhetoric and of course it might parallel the beliefs of other New Age practitioners and Spiritualist.

That Tom Chalko guy and the author bragged a lot about how there is nothing in the book that could be proven inaccurate. Granted, the burden of proof is on them seeing no one in the world can disprove that I am the Creator and I just made this universe, its physics, and its history two seconds ago. However, there are some things in the book which can be scientifically disproven.

Ionizing radiation does not pick and choose which organic matter it will ionize. Be this organic material an ant, roach, or a human being; all three are going to die if exposed to lethal amounts.

Ants and roaches are not going to become gigantic versions of their smaller selves while humans slowly mutate and die. If there is enough radiation to cause an organic life form to mutate(which is pure science fiction), there is enough to cause it to die outright. People exposed to lethal radiation die within a time frame of a day to a week. They may bleed, lose mental capability, vomit, etc., but they do not mutate and deform during this time. Their molecules start losing electrons and their molecular composition deteriorates and they die.

ON the subject of giant space ants, is anyone aware of how much meat it would require to sustain one colony of ants the size of cows? That's around a 100 thousand carnivores the size of cows at the LEAST... left to feed on a dying planet with hardly enough plant life to support the herbivores. And since when does radiation cause beneficial mutations? These ants developed lungs to support their giantism... via mutation by radiation??? Radio active particles that by nature stripe electrons from atoms which in turn guarantee death(not mutation) if the atmosphere was filled with such particles.

The author has read far too much science fiction as a child. I'm surprised the humans didn't just become 10 mile high giants as well:)

[yothu]

Lethal amounts of radiation vary between creatures. From http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/1996/12-13-1996/bomb.html:

radiologists have found that humans can safely withstand a one-time exposure of 5 rems (A "rem" is the dosage of radiation that will cause a specific, measured amount of injury to human tissue). A lethal dose is 800 rems or more (people are exposed to about 16 rems during their lifetime).

Insect researchers have found that cockroaches can tolerate a much higher dose -- really higher! The lethal dose for the American cockroach is 67,500 rems and for the German cockroach it is between 90,000 and 105,000 rems (yikes!). In truth the amount of radiation that cockroaches can withstand is equivalent to that of a thermonuclear explosion.

According to a friend of mine:

I think that, given that the Thaori effectively say that species are interrelated because subspecies are derived from primary species, it could very well be possible that an ant's organism contains information about structures that are normally alien to them and do not manifest, much like it is possible for humans to develop the so-called atavisms under certain unknown influences. In this line of reasoning, radiation could unlock the development of such structures and allow the creatures to partially take on the structure of others.

[MiddleWay]

"Lethal amounts of radiation vary between creatures"

Not exactly. Some creatures don't really take in the full blunt of the radiation to begin with. Although, what I meant to convey was that radiation is harmful to all organisms. Actually, roaches do indeed have an unusually different chromosome structure, which is difficult for radiation to shatter. So do butterflies, but not ants.

Ionizing radiation does not attack organic material per say, it attacks atoms by pulling electrons out of their orbit. Radiation effects organism in the form of particles. Creatures with exoskeletons(especially roaches which has a particularly dense one) absorb oxygen through their skeletal structure. Radioactive particles aren't small enough to be absorbing with oxygen. They are killed from the outside in, instead of from the inside out, as with organisms who breath via lungs. Also their exoskeleton molts and this removes radioactive particles. Considering the cellular growth of roaches I can see why they could take more.

However, according to the author, these insects developed lungs and large masses putting them in the same category with the rest of us. When you take everything into consideration, there is no reason for the roach to physically change due to radiation as it doesn't really break the skin in in the first place. It's tantamount to humans mutating to a point where we no longer have an epidermis because of solar radiation and then thriving regardless of the fact that we lost the one thing that protected us. The roach genetics have served them for 365 million years and now, from a survival perspective, they are going to de-evolve into something that is more susceptible to radiation.. AND THRIVE?!?!?! There is no way any creature the size of a large dog is going to be able to cellular regenerate fast enough to slow down the radiation process. To much mass to cover in addiction to inhaling radioactive particles directly into the blood stream.

The author is in a land of make believe. He'd have been better of just writing a theological thesis. Instead he's trying to pull a "God is own my side" move by attributing the supposed beliefs of these "top of of the spiritual hierarchy" aliens to his own.

[wizzle3]

which is better to read, the prophecy, or the choice

[PassiveFist]

In my opinion: The Choice is full of blatantly incorrect statements, but the prophecy is a cleverly written story that is hard to find anything that can be clearly shown to be false. There is nothing to make the story true either though, except wishful thinking perhaps. As others said, it is a collection of eastern mythology, little vague bits of recent science mixed in, along with phrases telling the reader that the truly evolved person will 'feel' that the book is true.

[wizzle3]

yea im buying the online prophecy

its only 5 bucks and it talks alot about the higher self, etc

[wizzle3]

the beings that live there, are neither male or female??


i read this part about that big that said something about that, thats so strange

and they look more femanine than masculine, but does that meen their faces have a bit of masculine in it? and they still say they are better looking

that's such a hard concept/idea to grab a hold of

[wizzle3]

do you guys believe this concept of, through incarnation, having a life as the opposite gender than you are in in this life?

for some reason i always felt when you leave astral you continue your gender, forever

anyone have any thoughts on this???

he says he was a princess in one life Lol
(michel)

[MiddleWay]

the beings that live there, are neither male or female??


i read this part about that big that said something about that, thats so strange

and they look more feminine than masculine, but does that mean their faces have a bit of masculine in it? and they still say they are better looking

that's such a hard concept/idea to grab a hold of

In accordance with what the author personally identifies as beautiful, all his aliens are tall, large breasted, blond amazon "women" who have both sexual organs. In his imaginary world, these aliens decided amongst themselves that the female appearance was superior to that of males. Not one individual, male or female, thought that the male physic was worth ever looking at again. They all wanted to be tall large breasted blond amazons...  


I would think that beyond the physical plane's biological anatomies of gender and the emotion/mental(astral and mental planes) aspects concerning male and female, everyone would simply be conscious entities. Male and female become unnecessary concepts.

[yothu]

The book states that there is a reason for all Thiaooubans being hermaphrodites.

May I quote the source:

'Thao, is there a reason for your all being hermaphrodites?'
'Yes, and it is important, Michel. I was surprised you didn't ask that question sooner.'
[...] 'Now, at the bottom of the fluidic body and just above the sex organs is found a very important Chakra, which we call the Mouladhara, and which your yogis call Sacred. Above this Chakra, and meeting the spinal column, is the Paltanius. It is in the form of a coiled spring and only reaches the base of the spinal column when it is relaxed.
'For it to become relaxed, it requires the accomplishment of the sexual act between two partners who must not only love one another, but also have a spiritual affinity between them. Only at that moment and under these conditions will the Paltanius extend to the spinal column, transferring an energy and special gifts to the physiological body which then affects the physical body. The person concerned will experience happiness in sexual enjoyment which is far greater than normal.
[...] 'Certain Tantrists on Earth have attained this point, but it isn't common among them, for still their religions, with rediculous rituals and prohibitions, creates a real obstacle to attaining this goal. When they look at the forest, they don't see the trees.
'Let's go back to our loving couple: The man has experienced great pleasure transformed into beneficial vibrations for the Paltanius, thanks to a love which is genuine, and absolute compatibilty. All these sensations of happiness were released by the accomplishment of the sexual act. The sensations of happiness are not the same with the female, but the process is the same with her.
'Now, to answer your question. On our planet, with bodies that are both male and female, we can achieve, at will, the sensations, both male and female. Of course, this brings us a much greater range of sexual pleasure than if we were mono-sexual. Further, our fluidic body can be at its best. Our appearance is, needless to say, more feminine than masculine [...]'

[wizzle3]

once i project i'll believe any of that when i see it

untill then i dont wanna be a large breasted amazon haha

that was a half-joke

(only in the sense that i'm in this life, and i do not infact know the truth)





if in the astral gender becomes unneccissary, how is there Spirit guides under certain genders??

and isn't there a masculine and femanine part of God?

[MiddleWay]

once i project i'll believe any of that when i see it

untill then i dont wanna be a large breasted amazon haha

that was a half-joke

(only in the sense that i'm in this life, and i do not infact know the truth)





if in the astral gender becomes unneccissary, how is there Spirit guides under certain genders??

and isn't there a masculine and femanine part of God?

You can have both male and female phenotypes and still be a civilization of hermaphrodites. I guess all the females were lesbians to begin with. Obviously the author is more comfortable with girl on girl action

Gender, in addition to it's physical presence, is a psychological concept that I believe carries over into the emotional and mental bodies as baggage from the physical existence. Simply having what we might identify as a male appearance does not necessarily dictate a gender. In my opinion gender is based on rather you have a penis or a vagina or both based in procreation.

It personally think "God" is the totality of existence; Me, you, him, her, those guys, that tree, what goes up, must come down, etc. I don't believe in any cruel dictator lorded over me although we are quite cruel to ourselves.

In my understanding male represents spirituality, intuitive intellect, imagination, awareness, god-consciousness, etc.  while female represents instinct, sexuality, self power, creation, intellectual understanding, etc.

The "male" and the "female" in that respect have nothing to do with a penis or a vagina?

[nibor]

Hello
Another thing that is very questionable to me is the conversation on page 29. They travel very fast between the stars. Then they manage to see a comet at that great speed. And when Michel asks how far away that comet is from the spacecraft, Thao replies "4 150 000 kilometers".
What is the point to give such an exact answer to the question, given that the speed of light is 300 000 km/s, and they where going at many times the speed of light?

/nibor

[PassiveFist]

Hello
Another thing that is very questionable to me is the conversation on page 29. They travel very fast between the stars. Then they manage to see a comet at that great speed. And when Michel asks how far away that comet is from the spacecraft, Thao replies "4 150 000 kilometers".
What is the point to give such an exact answer to the question, given that the speed of light is 300 000 km/s, and they where going at many times the speed of light?

/nibor

Yes, there are lots of things wrong with it. It's a very cleverly written fiction, using little bits from all subjects that 'sound correct'. Just look at what the author says at the end - that the more evolved reader will just 'know' it's true. The book was written in 1987 I think. Back when everyone thought there were 9 planets in our solar system. So the book says that all solar systems have 9 planets. Well, we now know that there are 10 planets in our solar system, maybe more. Or 8 if your definition of planet is different, there certainly aren't 9 though.

[MiddleWay]

Hello
Another thing that is very questionable to me is the conversation on page 29. They travel very fast between the stars. Then they manage to see a comet at that great speed. And when Michel asks how far away that comet is from the spacecraft, Thao replies "4 150 000 kilometers".
What is the point to give such an exact answer to the question, given that the speed of light is 300 000 km/s, and they where going at many times the speed of light?

/nibor

Yes, there are lots of things wrong with it. It's a very cleverly written fiction, using little bits from all subjects that 'sound correct'. Just look at what the author says at the end - that the more evolved reader will just 'know' it's true. The book was written in 1987 I think. Back when everyone thought there were 9 planets in our solar system. So the book says that all solar systems have 9 planets. Well, we now know that there are 10 planets in our solar system, maybe more. Or 8 if your definition of planet is different, there certainly aren't 9 though.

I don't think you could see much of anything anyway if you're faster than light. If you were to have a car traveling faster than light, the light coming at you would be "piling up" on your windshield because you'd be going to fast for it to reflect off. I wonder what exactly that would look like.

So our fiction novelist claims that there are definitely only 9 planets, huh? I didn't read the whole book, but I wouldn't have thought anyone would be dumb enough to assert something that could so easily be shown to be false tomorrow.   He might as well have claimed that there were no more species of any kind of animal other what are already discovered.

[vesselinpeev]

Hello
Another thing that is very questionable to me is the conversation on page 29. They travel very fast between the stars. Then they manage to see a comet at that great speed. And when Michel asks how far away that comet is from the spacecraft, Thao replies "4 150 000 kilometers".
What is the point to give such an exact answer to the question, given that the speed of light is 300 000 km/s, and they where going at many times the speed of light?

/nibor

What if Thao glanced at a screen and gave the exact answer because it is quicker to tell it as it is instead of to round it off?

Yes, there are lots of things wrong with it. It's a very cleverly written fiction, using little bits from all subjects that 'sound correct'. Just look at what the author says at the end - that the more evolved reader will just 'know' it's true. The book was written in 1987 I think. Back when everyone thought there were 9 planets in our solar system. So the book says that all solar systems have 9 planets. Well, we now know that there are 10 planets in our solar system, maybe more. Or 8 if your definition of planet is different, there certainly aren't 9 though.

If you have read the book, you will note that it says that sometimes a system will have more than 9 planets, but in time it will revert to the number nine because the pattern of the universe dictates this. And nowhere does it specify the exact number of planets in our solar system.