How to project almost every morning

[Dream Cadet]

Hi all,

I tried this method this morning.  During my 2nd 25 minute period I heard a loud whisper in my ear that startled me awake.  I couldn't go back to sleep after that.  It seemed so real.  I'm always fascinated by the images, sounds and feelings of fear that can be experienced when you are dancing around the edge of OBEing.

I may try again in the morning.

D.C.

[cube]

ImmuredSoul,
Yes, 'morning' is a relative term depending on what your body thinks is the right waking time. There are two reasons it's easiest to project in the morning. The first is that after sleep your body is very relaxed. The second is the ratio of those chemicals which cycle depending on your body's normal sleep schedule and not the exact time of day.


Dream Cadet
You're on the right track! My biggest hurdle has always been to not get excited and flub it when I run across a new phenomenon. As far as I can tell the only solution is to just exeperience hypnagogics often enough that it's no longer exciting and then you can ease through that stage without waking.

[Dream Cadet]

Cube,

quote:As far as I can tell the only solution is to just exeperience hypnagogics often enough that it's no longer exciting and then you can ease through that stage without waking

Oh yeah, I have experienced sounds like this way before I ever had my first OBE.  Usually it is a loud bang, music playing or people talking.  I think what startled me on this one is how close it felt.  

Whoa! Here I am asleep and some man is whispering in my ear.[:O]

Sometimes when I'm getting close to exit, I feel like someone is standing over me and observing me. I mean right over me.  It takes a lot to keep my focus but I usually do. This is a pretty powerful experience when it happens.  

That's what is so interisting with this.  You never know what you are going to experience along the way.  The journey is almost as fun as the destination.

D.C.

[upstream]

quote:You mean you hear hypnagogic sounds while you're up and around?

Nope, I have to lie still and listen. I use earplugs to sample that noise. 5 minutes is sufficient to isolate a potential window. I've found that interrupting sleep greatly increase inner noises. You might observe as well that these noises tend to build into brief bursts hitting a treshold where they seem to transform into brief sequences of realistic noises & talking. Kinda like the auditory equvivalent of the fleeting visual pictures we see in the first stage of hypnagogia but these sounds are more close to the waking state and greatly related to potential OBE-prestates.

Letting the noises burst (if there is any at all) is one of my favorite thing to do in order to facilitate an "OBE," because this activity seems to help to close the sensory gate and perhaps directly promote sleep paralysis as well. I've found that I can facilitate these bursts by trying/letting to imagine brief sequences of noises or music.

First, as sleep progress, the intervals between bursts will decrease and at the same time noises become louder. With every burst, ability to hearing external noises is temporally lost. Eventually the bursts will unite into a loud sequence of white noise (sometimes almost inbearable) which is immediately followed by various degrees of silence and paralysis.

[cube]

upstream, I've never quite made it to having a conscious projection from dipping into the hypnagogic like that but I think I understand what you mean. It's like your conscious level is a sine wave that's tilted downward wavering its way into the OBE frequency.

Lately I've had a problem where I trance out just about to the OBE point I think when all of a sudden my left forearm flops onto my stomach and wakes me up. Do you know of any way to counteract this or why it happens?

[Omnigod0101]

Cube I owe this to you, http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13425 thank you SOOOO much!

[upstream]

quote:It's like your conscious level is a sine wave that's tilted downward wavering its way into the OBE frequency.

I've never thought on the process like that. Maybe I would have to use it. It's more simple than my monsters and could be more easy to hold in the back of my mind. I prefer to think on the brain as a "continously humming system" being composed from various interconnected, competiting frequency generators. Possible brain-states are superpositions of those frequencies and exist at the same time, however most of them we yearn for have so little probabilities that they could be regarded as negligtible outcomes.

Ehhh, MajorTom is drown me deep into this binaural stuff again, soo...In general, there is no such thing as single OBE frequency. The most close to it is the 4Hz binaural stimulus feed into the brain through the formatio reticularis by its specific frequency (100Hz or 200Hz carriers: 198Hz in the left ear & 202Hz in the right or 98/102). FR is the proper place to target if we devote a frequency as overall stimulus to the whole of the brain. So, 200 [4] is almost standalone (used ain the end of the preset called "Tommy's vibratio starter", and the one I have had my first success with in 2000). And not to mention, that is also part of TMI consstructions like F10, F12, F15 and F21. Focus 12 - perhaps the most potent RTZ-OBE-inducer ever to date - is composed from 7 (8?) pair of carriers but still seems unable to define the OBE-state with enough accuracy, and one have to put off their headphone after 20-30 min of exposition to let the proper alingment to happen.

BTW, no serious idea about your dancing arm. Pray to that purple superbeing...

[Mystic Cloud]

Ahh this technique is very very nice.
I tried it for the first time today and I got 3 times into
vibrations. But I guess I didn't continue from there for
some reason []

1 time I were inside the dream already and made myself
relaxed there and I would certainly have succeeded unless
that #"¤"#& annoying dream character wouldn't have interrupted
me []

[Rakon]

I tried it out too!
Yesterday I got into the vibrational state but I didn't project because my back started to hurt.
Today I tried again bu when I woke up I couldn't get back to sleep.

Congratulations, Cube! This is by far the most effective method I've ever seen!

[nrishiraj]

I'm ready to give this technique a try tomorrow morning. However, when you say:-

Make the following intentions to yourself:
1.) I will fall asleep easily and wake up ready to project.
2.) If I dream, I will become lucid and move into an OBE automatically

How long do I keep saying these intentions to myself?

If i'm projecting and I set the timer for 25mins won't the timer wake me up and interupt my projection?

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by nrishiraj



If i'm projecting and I set the timer for 25mins won't the timer wake me up and interupt my projection?

Time is non-linear. Which means that you can stay years in the astral while only being gone 2 minutes from physical reality.

[ImmuredSoul]

First day, I forgot what I had my alarm clock set so early for, so I turned it off (unplugged it because the plug runs across my bed, somewhere).

Second day, I got three hours of sleep due to the fact that I was under attack by my six furry little beasts (cats and dog). I remembered about it that day, however. Didn't work, but I can say that I do have a crick in my neck.

I'll try keeping my animals out of my room next time (but they crawl under the door), and I'll have to do something with all of that light. Either change my schedual of sleep to where I wake during actually darkness, or put up a lot of thick blankets around the windows and door. Maybe I can kill two birds with one stone and turn the animals into blankets for the windows and door []

Also, you think you can use a jolt of electricity or something other than a sound. Some kind of feeling that should be timed, or maybe a quick flash of light throughout the room?

[mactombs]

This method worked for me too. Thanks for the great method, cube!

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by mactombs

This method worked for me too. Thanks for the great method, cube!

Details on what occured during projection?

[Dream Cadet]

ImmuredSoul,

If light is bothering you, you might try a sleepmask.  I got mine for about $8 at Bed Bath and Beyond.  I have a porch light glaring in my window at night.  This has been helpful.

I am also  using a vibrating wristwatch for my alarm while trying this method. It's easier on the wife[]. It is made by Global Assistive Devices.  It is designed for the visually impaired.  I use the Vitalite3 model vl300. It has 2 seperate alarms and a resetable timer.  It can be set to a beep or vibration mode. It cost $49 on the web but I don't remember where I got it. Just do a web search for Vibralite3 and you will find them if you are interested.  There are a couple of things I would change about the watch but for the most part, I find it useful.


To Cube and all,

I tried this method again this morning.  During the 15 or 20 minute segment, I can't remember which, I had a very clear and colorful dream.  I was on a ship in the ocean.  The color of the water was an intense seafoam green color.  It was beautiful.

During the first 25 minute segment, I had a Lucid Dream in which I looked at my hands.  The left one was not completely there.  It had started to fade. I looked away and was a little surprised.  I thought "now what?". I didn't have a game plan at that moment. I decided to try to fly.  My result was more like floating or bobbing up and down.  Next, I decided to go outside.  I went through a doorway and thought to myself "Ahh, I love the smell of spring",  I could actually smell the spring in the air and feel the sun on my face.  It was cool.  This is important because LDs are less frequent for me than OBEs.  I almost never have an LD.

I could not complete the 2nd 25 minute segment.  I had become too awake at that point. I had to get up.  

I am going to give this some more effort.  I enjoy the heck out LDs too.  This seems to really help in that respect as well.  

Happy travels,

D.C.

[Mystic Cloud]

I'm going tonight to try waking up after 5 hours doing
this. I noticed a bizarre effect while doing this.
I need LESS sleep with this []

I slept just about 8 hours when I normally sleep a bit
more. Dunno why []

[cube]

quote:
I'm ready to give this technique a try tomorrow morning. However, when you say:-

Make the following intentions to yourself:
1.) I will fall asleep easily and wake up ready to project.
2.) If I dream, I will become lucid and move into an OBE automatically

How long do I keep saying these intentions to myself?

Just make the intentions to yourself at least once. The idea is for the last intention you have before going to sleep to be the intention to have a projection.

quote:
If i'm projecting and I set the timer for 25mins won't the timer wake me up and interupt my projection?

For me I will typically project within the first ten minutes of the 25 minute interval. You know how dream time works differently than physical time, I will usually have what seems like a 10-15 minute projection in the space of no more than 5 physical minutes, going on what the timer says.

quote:
This method worked for me too. Thanks for the great method, cube!

matacombs, I would very much like to hear about your projection as well, please tell us!!


Dream Cadet,
Does that watch have the ability to program multiple times into it and have it so it only beeps a few times without having to turn it off?

I'd say that's an unusual LD you had, there have only been a few times when I was able to smell things in dreams and they were never pleasant odors! [xx(]

[Dream Cadet]

Hey Cube

quote:Does that watch have the ability to program multiple times into it and have it so it only beeps a few times without having to turn it off?

When you set the individual timer for more than 10 minutes.  It beeps/vibrates once at 10 minutes remaining, once at 5 minutes remaining and then several times when it counts down to zero.  This irritated me at first but I started setting the time plus 10 minutes.  Now when it beeps/vibrates once, I know I'm done.  I reset it to the next interval plus 10 minutes.  If I accidently sleep through the first beep/vibration it will beep/vibrate  again 5 minutes later.  If I sleep through both of those, it will give the full 10 or so beep/vibrations when time expires.

There are two seperate alarm modes.  They are like different alarm watches that act independently of each other.  When the alarm fires for them, it goes off about ten times and thats it.

You can actually set one alarm for a specific time on the clock, set the second alarm for a time 25 minutes later and use the timer for the first few intervals if you like.  I just use the timer though.

quote:I'd say that's an unusual LD you had, there have only been a few times when I was able to smell things in dreams and they were never pleasant odors!

Yep, me too!  I think my LD was at about the same time that you usually OBE.  If i would have thought about it during in the LD, I would have tried to turn it into an OBE.  I'm going to try again in the morning if everything goes right.


D.C.

[Mystic Cloud]

One thing I don't understand...
Why do you need ear plugs? [:O]

[mactombs]

quote:matacombs, I would very much like to hear about your projection as well, please tell us!!

Okay, this is what happened...

First some back info. OBE's I know of: intentionally from a lucid dream, twice spontaneously on waking, and twice when observing myself have a fairly serious accident. The intentional projection from the lucid dream was very convincing for me, and so far the source of most of my personal knowledge about the experience. There's a very distinct feeling to it, not to mention that things seem more real than they do while "awake". Anyway, I've been practicing daily and studying hard for at least 6 months, meditating for over a year, and it's been quite a journey. I have never been able to conciously project, however, and all my previous experiences were random. I feel that once I am able to take control of choosing when I project, to experience seperation, etc. I will be able to master it.

So we get to cube's method.

I got a digital timer from Wal-Mart, set my normal alarm for 3 hours early. I went to bed feeling certain that I would have an OBE.

About 15 minutes before my alarm would have gone off (6 AM), I found myself at work, fully concious. I was kind of stumbling and almost ran into someone seated at a chair in the foyer (at first I thought the building was empty). When I looked down, I saw that it was a woman. She looked so old she was cadaverous, her purplish-black hair was piled on her head in that old beehive fashion. Her body and features were twisted beyond what a living human ever should be. She didn't look at me, but her eyes were open just a slit, and from them this white fire leaked. I can't even come close to accurately describing how hyper-real she appeared to me, or how utterly terrifying she was. I got out of there immediately (I know how to escape to the physical quite well) and I woke.

This experience was a bit different too, in that I could sense inside me my subconcious or something, and this part of me was completely unafraid (in fact, when I almost stumbled into the woman, it said, "Now this I like!" before in my concious horror I got out of there). I also felt that this "lady" just wanted to be left alone, and a kind of very real power emanated from her that subtly changed the whole atmosphere.

So I woke up, shaken, but dealing with it easily enough (my subconcious seems to have been doing a lot of conditioning for meeting frightening things by how my dreams have gone in the past). So I continued cube's method.

I set the timer for 5 minutes. I couldn't fall asleep in the 5 minutes. When it went off, I set it for 10. When it went off next, I was seeing through my closed eyelids, feeling like I was drifting around a bit - but that alarm wasn't going to turn itself off, so I snapped out of it. This happened twice, as well as briefly feeling the vibrations. Then I messed up. Instead of doing 5, 10, 15, 25 minutes like I should have, I did 5, 10, 20, 45.

In the end, this was highly successful for me compared to previous attempts. I don't know if any of these count as "real" projections or not, but I feel confident that I will continue to have great success with this method (especially by doing it right the next time).

[cube]

quote:
One thing I don't understand...
Why do you need ear plugs?

They're not required but I find they're very very useful for two reasons:

1.) They make it so I can sleep deeper and faster because of fewer distractions. Even in a relatively quiet room, there is at least some sound just from air moving in your ear canals, and the plugs muffle all that out.

2.) They make it so you can listen to the whining sound in your ear which you can use to tell how far into trance you've gone. This makes very subtle hypnagogic noises stand out as well if you have trained your mind to have a perpetual mindblank.


mactombs,
One thing that I haven't tried yet but think should work is to turn on lots of lights in the room and make it really bright, then use a blindfold to block out all the light. Then when you do the procedure you will probably project into a more vivid and cheery place, and hopefully avoid frightening spirits. Do you have any thoughts on that?

[mactombs]

quote:One thing that I haven't tried yet but think should work is to turn on lots of lights in the room and make it really bright, then use a blindfold to block out all the light. Then when you do the procedure you will probably project into a more vivid and cheery place, and hopefully avoid frightening spirits. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Yes, I think it's a good idea. I had to turn on my lamp anyway so I could see the timer for setting it. My lamp is a touch lamp that has three settings, and the lowest setting is not too bright for sleeping, and bright enough for my purposes.

[SpectralDragon]

That is very good mactombs. I think that next time you should maybe try lifting your astral arm before turning the alarm off?

[MaDroX]

Hi all...

well, I tried this method now and unfortunately it didnt work.. But of course I will try again. (Note: I didnt use earplugs)
I did it like this:

Go to bed at midnight
set alarm clock to 6 am (usually stand up at 8 am)
then I wook up at 6 am but didnt stand up or anything.. Just fell asleep again - am I supposed to stand up?
set the alarm clock for 8 am
wook up -- and I never fell asleep between the 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 minutes gaps.. what can I do here?
I just know I was shocked every time the alarm went off and that I had a very clear dream (maybe I fell asleep once.. or maybe even more, just dont know about it?) ... It was that the alarm went off and my mother came in and asked me what the hell I am doing with all the alarm.. Then she left my room again and my brother came in and asked me if the method worked (I told him the day before that I will try this method) and I told him the same I wrote here now.
Man, why did I forget to do a reality check here ? []
was that dream a good sign for me? I mean, if I didnt forget to make a reality check in that dream I would have been able to project, no?

Thanks

[Omnigod0101]

I haven't had any more success. I've been toying with the times I go to sleep because I'm not 100% sure when exactly I got to bed the time it worked. One thing I really wish is there was a way I could turn off the alarm without moving! I'm reasonably sure I was paralyzed this morning after the first alarm! But the beeping was right in my ear driving me nuts, and I live with 2 other people one of which is a VERY light sleeper and right outside my door. Any ideas?