newbie neg countermeasures

[Rastus]

Fear is your worst enemy!

Relax, and take a deep breath, let it out.  There are many distinct advantages to being a fleshie.  You have many natural defenses to negs.  They generally only get at you through holes in your defense or 3rd party influences.  The odds of you hooking up with a truly powerful neg are encredibly remote, don't dwell on that, it's bad karma.

Remember that some negs can "appear" as anything they want (so can you on the Astral, turn about is fair play).  Take a frightening visage with a grain of salt....or maybe the whole salt container!

Positive thoughts and energy are your best defense.  Being calm and reassured help immensely.  

What framework are you comfortable working in?  I ask this because I found many people to be reluctant working with anything Occult related.  Yeah, boggles my mind also what exactly they think Metaphysics is, but a digital form of old Occult teachings with science to back it up.

[capricorn10101]

Thanks for your kind words. I wrote this post in angst as when reading it back in quite plain. Im just new and frankly, i cant think of anything to make you more paraniod than suspecting negative influences in your life.
I have been on the fence with religion all my life, from a broken home with no influence from my piers. Im not or have not been religous in my life although I am of English/Christian background.
I put some salt about the place and used some garlic on me feet n socks, realising i dont know what on earth im doing or might be dealing with, over time got a bit panicky.  I spose a good way to fight bad is with love and self respect. Surely that cant harm anyone. Im also concerned that im on the brink of my first OOB exp and Im apprehensive about neg influence. Im exploring and I want to know what others think, what they have done and results.

luv

Anon

[Rastus]

I would say your experience is not uncommon.  In saying that, then it's also safe to say your ability to positively identify negs is low?  It's a tough call in early training to know what's real and what's imagination.  Especially if your excited or anxious.

Try Nita's site at www.astralhealer.com .  There is a good section on defenses.  Nothing outrageous, just herbs and incense, along with power and focus.  There is some more stuff as well if you feel the need.

[jilola]

quote:The book says seek a church or a group but im reluctant,

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quote:I was driving today and the word apparition came through my awareness a few times

How do you mean? You saw something and thought of "apparition" or the word "apparition" crossed your mind?

quote:I DONT want to see a negative spirit, at least not until ive seen a nice one. What if I do?

The trick is to see what you see and experience what comes along. If you start worrying about things the exoeectation will be far more stressful and scary than any actual encounter or experience.

Think about whittling and cutting yourt finger with the knife. You know the knife may slip ad cut you and that it will sting a bit. Seeing something out of the ordinary and perhaps frightening will have less lasting consequences than the cut in the finger.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[litning]

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[litning]

well that post didn't turn out like I wanted it to
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[daem0n]

maybe i misunderstood something but this topic was about newbies vs. negs in this world, not the astral world, and fighting influence and parasites in this world, not whilst oobeing

once again visit www.psipog.net for articles on shielding,
and don't let fear and other negative emotions get to you,
for incinerating (don't use love if you can't do it unconditionally) already attached negs search your mind  for negative emotions, nightmares and such, visualise them as a stamp(imagine whole scene getting smaller and smaller to that size), use astral hands (hands of awareness from NEW, whatever) to turn the stamp over, if it resists there should be parasite, imagine sword and torch (flamethrower and lightsabre, doesn't matter but you should believe it works, in your mind you are master, althoug unconcious one) and incinerate (yeah, i  like this word), they may be connected to each other (that was my case) so use the connection to get the other, there is a possibility that under one stamp there is another, turn them over until you get to the neg
after cleansing (you should be shielded or warded when you're doing it) fill the holes with light, seal with a holy symbol you believe in(anything you believe will grant you protection), and check them until you grow to fill them
i got it(and tweaked) from transaltions of Bruce's book on www.astraldynamics.pl, but i doubt that you know polish, hope this will work for you

[capricorn10101]

runola

well yeh after reading the book i was sure i was influenced, bad dreams, feeling drained and fatigued in the mornings and other such things i read about.

And so yeh , in admitting to myself that neg influences are real and that i was probably affected, I was a bit put off trying to project for a while. I have read that its common to be confronted by a neg on the first one anyhow.

But now im getting used to the idea, and you nice people have offered all this advice im back in training, and have tried many methods offered. My visualtion isnt properly developed so cant be sure whether im imagining these spiders n snakes because i expect them to be there. Its fun having a sword and a blowtorch and hacking them though for sure.

Definately making progress, fell through my bed, got astral sight, saw the chord and my double (three different attempts). Keep losing my nerve when the sensations get too strong so bit more practise to go.

thanks all

[capricorn10101]

Hello all.

What do you do if your new to this and after reading the psychic self defense book, applied countermeasures and reckon the neg is onto you? Surely they always know anyway as they are sposed to be psychic by nature. Mine is bad, ill say that, i have regret and core images that have troubled me for many yrs.

The book says seek a church or a group but im reluctant,

I was driving today and the word apparition came through my awareness a few times. Not because ive frightened myself as, until i got back, i didnt know what apparition meant. Im pretty sure ive cheesed it off.  

This is very real to me and I have to say the book has been a HUGE wake up call for me, both of Robs books ive read are superb, and im sure he has positively influenced thousands of lives with them.

But now im real scared. Are they likely to appear before they go or do they appear when they are real cheesed off at you or both or what.
I have natural ability, not yet projected although am confident, but have never seen shadows or anything substantial.
I DONT want to see a negative spirit, at least not until ive seen a nice one. What if I do? Id wet myself and have a heart attack. Im truly phased now and i trust my intuition. Pls advise.  

Luv
Anon