Making other dreamers lucid

[funinfloating111]

that is an awesome dream it sounds like. im not so sure that lady was a real person dreaming herself, she sounds a like she knew alot, maybe a guide. about making others lucid, im sorry too say i am in exactly the same position as you lol. my sister, who lucid dreams occasionally (like once every 2 months, not very often) told me to go wake her up if i ever become lucid. well i tried it. i became lucid, i think i was working at the time in my dream, then i said im going to cherri. i just thought about her and i appeared at her house. i told her she was dreaming, at first she was like no way man everythings normal here. but then she was soo happy she was dreaming and took off. in the morning, however, all she said was she remembered me in her dream, but thats it. i have tried waking her up about 3 more times, and mostly she ignores me and says im crazy...

[Kazbadan]

Ok Rakon, lets make an experience! I am not a lucid dreamer so you are gona wake me up this night. Here how we are gonna do it. First we need to have shure about the difference of hours between hour countrys or the experience may not work (you are sleeping and i´m awake...).


So, in the exact moment i am writing this, it´s 13:05. Knowing that you will look into the hour that i posted this message (you can see above the post, with little letters). FOr example, if it indicate something like 15:05 (the minutes can vary a little) it means that we have a 2 hours difference between hour countrys and that means that we have (probably) common hours of sleep (and then we can do the experience).

In my country i will go sleep about at 1:30 (i am in hollydays[]) and will wake up at 10:30 more or less. Because i have insomnias, somewhere between 7:00 and 9:00 i can be awake.

Ok, now it´s your time to say the exact hour in wich you are writing your post and the time you get into sleep. Then we will se if we can make the experience.

So, if you agree with this...i am waiting[]

Thanks

[Rakon]

funinfloating111, it really is irritating when people don't believe they're dreaming, isn't it? And even when they believe, they forget it! Damn! [xx(]

I don't believe that people have spirit guides, but I'll change my mind as soon as I find a good proof. If that lady somehow is my spirit guide, it would make much sense.


I like your idea Kazbadan. It's 14:32 right now in Croatia. I go to sleep between 00:00 and 01:00. I wake at about 9 AM.

If at first we don't succeed, we'll try again and again many times, ok?

I know almost nothing about you so it will be hard to find you. It would be a lot easier if you would send me your picture by e-mail.

[Rastus]

In order to ensure they 'remember' a lucid dream, you need to make them exit it conciously.  Have them "wake up" tell then they are dreaming, give them somethng silly to remember like "pink raincoat" then have them really wake up.  The dream should be distinctly vivid enough they will remember it even at 3 am.  The next day ask them if "pink raincoat" means anything and look for a starteled face [:O]

Oh, I think the women was a guide, since she was waiting for you instead of coming to you(guides have all the time there is, projectors don't).

[Rakon]

Rastus, have you had any luck making others lucid? Thanx for the advice.

[Kazbadan]

So, in Croatia it is 1 hour later. When it´s 13:00 here it is 14:00 there. At the time yo go home it´s about 11:00 and 00:00 here in Portugal. While in "holidays" (in Septmeber i have no job because it will finish my contract with my shcool...it world like that here in Portugal) i go to bed not so early. So, i guess that when it´s about 4:30 i should be sleeping that time because it´s 3:30 here.

I dont went to sleep at that time, instead i go to bed about 2:00 (portuguese hour) but the problem is that i take very lon time until get asleep. So, as you see, a safe hour (Croatia hour) for us to start the experience at C4:30 (from now on i will put a P if it is portuguese hour and a C if it is Croatia hour, example: P 13:00 or C 09:20). So, starting at C4:30 and ending at C8:00 it´s most safe time. I am still sleeping until C11:00 but in that time i am not in a deep sleep state and its not probable that i will have dreams.

So, in resume: C4:30 until C8:00 its the best time for me, but i would like to know it this time its ok to you. So, this night we can start the experiment []. Dont forget to make a crazy dream. Oh! I know a god idea to test the dream: create a dream with an hot girl like Monica Belluci [][][] or Nicole Kidman or Catherine Zeta Jones,etc,etc..,[] nd then i will tell you what girl i dreamt about. With that we can test the dream and in the most fuuuuny way![][]

More about me: i live in Portugal, Northern part near the coast. I think you can focus on my nick name because it´s unique (i invented it...it´s crazy and does not mean nothing): Kazbadan. There is only one Kazbadan in all the world. In this moment i have no picture of me because my digital cam it´s not working neither my PC (this is not my pc). If it helps i am the oposite of a fat boy (i forgot the english word....[xx(])  with a medium size (1,75m), brown (little dark) hair, brown eyes and little muscles to see. (ya, you are correct i look like Arnold Shwarzenneger []...kiding).

So, this night i hope that it will be the first. Should i focus on something or prepari myself in anyway?

[Rakon]

Ok, so it will be C4:30 until C8:00. I can't guarantee that I will have a lucid dream, and it's possible we won't be dreaming at the same time. But hey, we can try whenever we want to. You can concentrate on my nickname too, I doubt anyone else uses it. I won't describe myself, I'll send you a picture. Croatia is next to Italy, to the east. I live in Zagreb, if that's any help.

Hey, I have an idea of what should we do when we first succeed. We will find the REAL Monica Bellucci who is hopefully sleeping at the time. We will drag her into lucidity and then make her do kinky stuff for us! [}:)][}:)] Whaddya say?

I hope we succeed tonight.

[loco]

I have my doubts about that woman making you lucid...I think YOU did it, not her. My doubts are based in the fact that, as you said, you´ve encountered other friends and even telling them they were dreaming, they didn´t become lucid.

Anyway, I think chances are odd that two people dream the same dream, and even harder to meet there.I don´t say is impossible, of course (otherwise I wouldn´t be in this forums)I just say is hard.
Somehow I have the feel that you missinterpretated something, I mean...About your friend´s dream: You said he was there and you told him about dreaming and he got a funny face and then he flyes away, right ? In my opinion that was a dream, that´s it.That doesn´t mean at all that he was even there...he was probably dreaming about something completely different.And that was only an image of your friend.

I hope I didn´t sound too esceptic, I didn´t mean so.
Cheers to all

[RooJ]

Interesting topic, My last lucid dream was a few days back and i became lucid about the same way. I was walking through a crowded street and 2 homeless guys were walking towards me. As they passed they were both staring in my direction, i asked them if there was a problem and one of them smiled and spoke "question reality". I then realised i was dreaming and had a great lucid dream which included me trying to wake a friend up from my dream.
Ive never seen evidence or heard from anyone i knew that dream sharing is possible and although this doesnt disprove it, even for me, from my own experiences id have to agree with loco that its probebly a dream character.
Would be interesting to do some testing to see if you guys can come up with any shared experiences though.
Anyways, if it is just a dream character lets hope that your brain keeps giving you these clues to help you into lucidity [].

>RooJ

[mactombs]

I've had the same experience. Twice someone told me I was dreaming and I became lucid. It is certainly possible that these were dream characters (as I do believe dreams are in the mindscape most of the time), but in one of the cases after becoming lucid me and another guy were kind of standing around not sure what to do, that kind of awkward feeling. He introduced himself as Jay, I believe, and we both told each other that if we saw each other again, we would remind each other we were dreaming.

I've also wondered if it's possible to create a sort of astral or mental program that will approach you and alert you to the fact that you are dreaming.

It's also very true that it's easy to lose awareness quickly in a lucid dream, which is why I affirm loudly "Awareness now!" or "I demand complete awareness!" The last time I did that, I found myself rising out of the dreamscape into the RTZ.

Anyway, if I find myself lucid dreaming again, I'll also see if I can locate Kazbadan and wake him up. It can't hurt to try. []

[loco]

Mactomb, you have pointed something that´s shaking my head for some time now , let´s see if you (or someone) can bear some light to it becouse it´s been a  confusing point since I got into all this:
You said that in your last dream , after demanding "complete awarness" you quit the dreamscape and "raised" into RTZ....According to my limited experience, you went from a dream to an OBE, didn´t you?
I say that becouse whenever I went from a dream environment to a RTZ environment (being my bedroom the starting point of the RTZ environment, as most of the "classic" OBEs) I had all the , let´s say, "symptoms" of a OBE: vibrations, pulling out sensations...
I mean that it seems not possible for me to go into RTZ without all the oOBE procedure...and that´s something annoying becouse all this vibrations and pulling out sensations are so strong that easily break my control and I have to stop.
My questions are:
When you rised from the LD to the RTZ, I assume you stoped dreaming, didn´t you? So, where were you at the transition point? You did go back to yourself in bed and started from there? Or there is a way to jump to RTZ from a LD without all the Obe "hassle" ?

yours, loco

[Rakon]

quote:
I have my doubts about that woman making you lucid...I think YOU did it, not her. My doubts are based in the fact that, as you said, you´ve encountered other friends and even telling them they were dreaming, they didn´t become lucid.

Anyway, I think chances are odd that two people dream the same dream, and even harder to meet there.I don´t say is impossible, of course (otherwise I wouldn´t be in this forums)I just say is hard.
Somehow I have the feel that you missinterpretated something, I mean...About your friend´s dream: You said he was there and you told him about dreaming and he got a funny face and then he flyes away, right ? In my opinion that was a dream, that´s it.That doesn´t mean at all that he was even there...he was probably dreaming about something completely different.And that was only an image of your friend.

I hope I didn´t sound too esceptic, I didn´t mean so.
Cheers to all

I considered what you say and I think you're wrong.

First of all, my friend DID become lucid.

It is very possible that 2 people meet in an OBE if they want to, so why wouldn't it be possible in a dream? Dream space and RTZ are connected. Robert Bruce says that there are dream pools accessible from the astral. There are dreamers in those dream pools, and projectors can enter those dream pools. If a projector tells a dreamer that he is dreaming, than the dreamer becomes lucid. And it don't have to be projectors that will make you lucid. There are many beings in the astral, who also have access to those dream pools. Considering the amount of living being capable of waking a dreamer, I think it happens very often that someone makes a dream lucid.

In fact, I think that each character someone encounters in a dream (a normal dream, not lucid) is a living being in some dimension, not just a creation of our mind. I think our dreams aren't created in our heads. And when someone has some kind of prediction dream, it's a dream no more. The living characters are removed and you enter a world created by your higher self who is showing you something. I have no proof ot this, but some of my experiences lead me to these conclusions. This doesn't have to be right one bit.

And that talk I had with my professor was very sensible. She acted like she alway does, and she had a scientific approach to lucid dreaming. And she was holding smoking a cigarette, like she always does (although that is one thing that my mind would probably create by itself because I know her).


Last night I didn't have any success meeting with kazbadan. I had a lucid dream but I totally forgot about him. I was just being a Jedi...[xx(]

Btw. How can I upload a picture here? I'd like us all to try and contatct each other.

[Kazbadan]

Is that transition that scares me a little because it may sugest that obes are just very lucid dreams. If i can starting obing from dreams (lucid or not) maybe that means that obe are just a diferent kind of dream or hypnogogic halucination.

About this night Rakon, i didnt have any LD. I know that i had some dreams and one of them it was about being with some friends in a party. Not like a party, i just dont know the english word: for example when you see Brasilian Carnaval, you will see people on the road, like if it was a party. They are walking and making exibitions of the cars, the body, etc (i think that you call it parade in english..?). So, i will just call it parade. I was in that parade but in the back.

Then i started to go to the front with my group of friends. There were many groups and we would make distinction between then because of colours: there was the red group, the white group,etc.


It was a stupid dream, but maybe it can mean something to you...

[Rakon]

quote:
Is that transition that scares me a little because it may sugest that obes are just very lucid dreams.

It may also mean that lucid dreams aren't dreams but OBE's.

Didn't you make that card check to see if OBE's are real?
You know, you take a card from a deck before you go to sleep. You don't look at it and put is somewhere like on top of your wardrobe where you can't see it. When you have an OBE and end up in RTZ, just look at the card and when you return, take a look at the real card. If it's the same card, there is very little chance that OBE's aren't real.

I did that trick with a book. I opened the book on some page and didn't look at it. When I had an OBE I looked at the book and the page was 67. When I returned, I looked at the real book. Guess what the nuber was.

I'll tell you, it was 67.

[mactombs]

quote:When you rised from the LD to the RTZ, I assume you stoped dreaming, didn´t you? So, where were you at the transition point? You did go back to yourself in bed and started from there? Or there is a way to jump to RTZ from a LD without all the Obe "hassle" ?

I didn't stop dreaming, I just became aware and moved at will through and out of the dream. To answer your question, though, no, I don't think you need to worry about the exit sensations from a lucid dream. If you become aware and have a destination in mind, you can think about how that place feels and will yourself there.

There really isn't any of the OBE "hassle" from a lucid dream.

[Kazbadan]

Rakon, when you had that obe did you feel yourself as if you were in a dream or it was so real as in real life? I mean, when you have a dream (LD, anything) you know and you feel yoursefl different because its a dream. Now, i am curious to no if when someone obes it will feel like in real life(it would be cool) or if it is just another unreal dream like sensation (not so cool).

I ask the same to the other obers.


thanks

[Rakon]

quote:Originally posted by Kazbadan

Rakon, when you had that obe did you feel yourself as if you were in a dream or it was so real as in real life? I mean, when you have a dream (LD, anything) you know and you feel yoursefl different because its a dream. Now, i am curious to no if when someone obes it will feel like in real life(it would be cool) or if it is just another unreal dream like sensation (not so cool).

I ask the same to the other obers.


thanks

There were differences from a lucid dream, but 'the feeling' was like I was in a LD. But when sometimes when I have a WILD, it's sooo real that I can barely fly and I feel the way I feel in the physical. So I suppose that if I had a wake induced OBE, it would feel like the physical.

[Kazbadan]

What does it mean WILD? I know the meaning of the word itself but you used it in a manner that looks loke if you were refering to something else.

btw, i think that making an awaked obe its hard.

Its hard to get one while asleep, so...the other one its even harder i think.

[loco]

[/quote]
I didn't stop dreaming, I just became aware and moved at will through and out of the dream. To answer your question, though, no, I don't think you need to worry about the exit sensations from a lucid dream. If you become aware and have a destination in mind, you can think about how that place feels and will yourself there.

There really isn't any of the OBE "hassle" from a lucid dream.
[/quote]

 This is amazingly simple, I didn´t know you could "move" to RTZ from a LD...but what do I know ! I´m a beginner...I think that my problem is that I get too excited any time I get LD or OBEs and I suddenly wake up from the excitement...But This move to RTZ from a LD without all that OBE "hassle" should let me keep things smooth, but I have to stay in the LD which is the hard part, becouse I can´t help (or I haven´t tryed hard enough) but stop dreaming and start OBEs from myself in the bedroom...Mmmm...will see...
Cheers !

[Rakon]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Kazbadan

What does it mean WILD? I know the meaning of the word itself but you used it in a manner that looks loke if you were refering to something else.
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WILD means wake induced lucid dream.

[Rakon]

Since I first started studying lucid dream, I wondered if it is possible to make another person lucid. I was even more interested because of the way I got lucid for the first time. I'll tell you about it:

I am walking through a street. I am not lucid yet. I notice a planet in the sky and decide to visit it. I start flying and land on it on a meadow. In the distance I see a ramp and a hut next to it. The ramp is in the middle of the meadow so anyone can just pass by it and it is completely useless, it doesn't guard anything. I decide to go there. A woman comes out of the hut. We have a conversation.
"Why is that ramp here?", I ask.
"To keep the bad guys out.", she says.
"Am I the bad guy?"
"No. I've been waiting for you for a long time."
Then the ramp lifts.
"You can pass."
I start to walk but she stops me and says:
"You are dreaming."
Then I realised I was dreaming. I got quite excited but I didn't wake up. I had a sudden wish to go away and do whatever I want now that I realised I'm dreaming, but the woman told me:
"Don't go away now, you have to pass."
And I pass. The meadow vanishes, and a new scenario appears...

Much more had happened after I passed through, but I won't tell it now. The point of that dream is - I didn't achieve lucidity by myself, that woman made me lucid. And I think she is actually a living person here in the physical.

A few months ago, I had a dream in which I was in my friend's room when I achieved lucidity. He was there so I told him he was dreaming. He had an expression on his face that showed he had suddenly realised something important. I really enjoyed that face. He started looking around like he was trying to see if what I said is true. He flew out of the window, totally ignoring me. Can't say I blame him, he was very excited.

The next day I asked him if he had that dream. He said he doesn't remember it, but he vaguely remembers being in his room. That doesn't prove anything...

Yesterday I had another dream in which I made my physics professor lucid. At first she said it's impossible, but then she accepted it and made a face just like my friend. She wasn't as excited as him, though. She asked me what she can do now that she's lucid and some other things. I didn't ask her if she remembers yet, because I have no way of contacting her.

My opinion is that it is possible to make another person lucid, which also means mutual dreams are possible. And faces of my friend and professor were sooo realistic that it's hard for me to believe it wasn't real. That also leads me to a conclusion that dreams aren't created in our heads, since other people have them too. What do you think?