My theory on the purpose of physical existence...

[TheSeeker]

As a side note, this also seems to be the theory behind buddism, even though I have never read anything as direct as that.  It also seems to be there theory behind Robert Monroe's books.  

But, these are my own conclusions, that I came by through personal experience/insight, or whatever you want to call it, and before I ever read anything on buddhism or any of Monroe's books.

[Rastus]

I think Monroe's books will change your mind.  But then that's part of life, discovering the answers for yourself!

[TheSeeker]

I read Monroe's books, I'm saying that after reading his 3 books, it seems to coincide with my theory.

[Rastus]

Really?  I didn't get that at all (which supports your theory [] ).  But then I add other works and experiences to it.  Monroe collaborates very nicely.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

That's a very interesting concept. I think it sort of ties in with what i think about physical existence. That is that we are here to learn lessons that only physicality can teach us. I have been relating these lessons more to emotions and the mind, and never made the link to actual physical things (strangely enough []).
Thanks for letting me realise that []

[Logic]

Hmm, I never thought about it that way, interesting..

The idea seems to make a lot of sense, and have a good deal of relevancy (from first hand experience). I strongly agree with you TheSeeker.

[TheSeeker]

Well, in the Monroe books, he doesn't say that exactly, but he does talk about building "escape-velocity", which is relevant to my theory.  He speaks of another purpose of physical existence (the part about 'loosh') which I think may be another aspect of the purpose.

But, Monroe's book is a lot of story.  I do not exactly believe him, but I do not exactly disbelieve him either.. the truth is I don't know if everything he says is true, but awesome books regardless.

And thanks for your input Euphoric_Sunrise and Logic! ( I also noticed some spelling errors in my first post and corrected them.. I'm so ashamed [] )

[TheSeeker]

Does anyone else have a theory? Or opinions on mine?

[sstonevenuss]

"it is the human experience to be God and still wonder if God exists." A.

[sstonevenuss]

manifestation.

Root of the word sin is "to do nothing"

as long as you are actively creating...you're doing what you came here to do.

The more you think say and spend energy creating a thought or idea, the sooner it will be real inyour life. You have the same power of creation as most people's idea of what "God "is has.

it is the human experience to be God and still wonder if God exists.

it is the human part of us to find the path to remembering what we are. Discovering ourselves from behind the human dillusion. A

[Zachariah]

Please if your interested on the "Purpose of life" then I suggest you check out the site on my sig, www.thefreedomofchoice.com .
It makes a LOT of sense.
It's a VERY interesting free E-Book about the purpose of life, and "god" the higher intellect , even speaks of astral travel, aura seeing, and so on.
Sure theories are cool/fun and all, they help and lead us to some kind of understanding but are only 'somewhat' or not at all correct.

I think everyone should read it, actually you might even want to check out my other link too. These sites are NOT made by me but they have had a great impact on my life and both stories make SO much sense for once in my life I was not skeptical at all.
But being in doubt is sometimes ok since it's not good to believe everything you read or hear.

[TheSeeker]

I've read those sites.  Interesting stories, but I don't take them at face value.  I liked them a lot though.

And 'ss', is that quoted from somewhere?

[Zachariah]

quote:Originally posted by TheSeeker

I've read those sites.  Interesting stories, but I don't take them at face value.  I liked them a lot though.

And 'ss', is that quoted from somewhere?

Honestly? Have you really read it and fully to the end(The Freedom of Choice) and Thiaoouba? I must correct myself, only ONE of them was a story a NON Sci-Fi story (thiaoouba a.k.a. Abduction to the 9th planet) the other was more of an explanation on the purpose of life and your own existence(TheFreedomofChoice). It has somewhat to do with the theory you just explained and it's author was once a scientist if that will encourage you to atleast check it out. Talks About the physical existence being a lesson for our astral being or our conscious(our non-physical being) that which lasts longer than our physical body.

[TheSeeker]

I don't think I read thefreedomofchoice, but I read the thiaoouba prophecy, the whole thing.  Maybe I'll check out the freedomofchoice thing at some point.

[daem0n]

i like your explanation, it fits nicely into my theories, i was at the phase when i wondered why the immortal and perfect mind/soul gets limited to human, and then has to remove these obstacles in physical realm to achieve enlightment - what it had at the beggining

another brick fell into place, but i'm still playing jinga if anyone knows what i mean

[sstonevenuss]

It's my quote...it is something i realized after so many experiences finally coming together...A.

[LogoRat]

My present theory is that the physical reality is a prison.

Lots of souls comes here either because they are stupid, made a misstake or have just too many friends here and feel like this is their only home and cant handle the real world.

Many prisoners might get used to the prison and accept to live with it, so they dont get hurt inside.
After awhile they feel that the prison is its home.
When they get out from the prison, they are so used to the life they live in the prison that they come back very quickly.
They just cant handle the real world.. it is too much for them.

The only differens is that the prison we live in have a function where we can stretch out of it every night when going to bed, just to not go insane.

Sure there are helpers/guides etc, just as there are families on the outside to those in the prisons to help them go through with beeing in the prison.

[Jenia_San]

you know,I'v been thinking...
no matter how many reasons we find,we will find ourselvs searching for the reasons of the reasons and so forth...
Ultimatly,there is no real reason [B)]
however,about the simple reason of physical existance,there is surely more than one reason...
otherwise this physical world whould be MUCH LESS complicated!
mybe there are hundreds,perhaps THAUSANDS of reason of having souls given a body and sent here!

[LogoRat]

Ofcourse i agree!

But you could be wrong on that also.


-| We only pretend that we exist |-

[BlackTalon]

I've never read any of the Monroe books..maybe one day. I take my ideas and theories out of some religion, nde's and some from whatever else seems to hit me.

I tend to lean more towards the side of us doing the greating rather than praying for "god" to help us. Most things i've read seem to point to us being a part of god or a part of everything. Although i've never experienced "oneness" other than in a dream I still see it come up all the time, especially in nde's.

I've always believed for some reason that we can create anything we want if we believe it ( levitate, fly, heal whatever ). I think that may take awhile to get that far because of the way our minds throughout the generations have been programmed to believe this kind of thought is rediculous.

I know I worked on creative visualization and faith healing for a specific kind of healing for about 2 years and learned a little bit about it.
Like meditation I would concentrate on the area of healing and try to keep that in mind all day or whenever I thought about it. I would visualize the healed part of the body and it eventually made my awareness very strong...or at least more focused that I had known about before.

I found there were many layers of belief..when I really thought i wholeheartedly believed in what I was doing I realized later that I only chipped away a small piece getting to the real belief...kinda weird for me to explain. I always felt like I was just about to..for lack of better words fall into the cavern of true believe for manifestation...but I could could never quite get there. Now I don't know if it's because i'm not truly believing what i'm doing, a fear is holding me back, or my mind is fighting with me.

The interesting thing about those two years is now having an enhanced awareness...at least within my body that I can move around like a strobe light and feel strange sensation in the focused area. That is probably where the fear comes from because theres not really a handbook, nobody that can tell me don't do it this way do it that way.

I've been thinking alot about if I can use that awareness point and focus it outside of myself and be able to effect the space between objects.

oh well kinda got off track there lol...I don't really have a theory, just that I feel were supposed to keep evolving and learning.

[BlackTalon]

Actually I had a good chuckle when you were talking about dreams and that when you believe things they happen. I don't know how many times in dreams I see a light switch and said "I bet you theres no power or it won't turn on will it? ..and it never does"..

The one thing about dreams I don't understand compared to waking reality is. Why do I really have no fears in dreams...or at least not as much or the same kind of fear. Even when I don't realize i'm dreaming. In a dream if i'm around alot of people or interacting theres no thought of how those people think of me or judge me. In reality however it's a bit different, i'ts more of a childlike state of your in your own world and nobody else really effects you. I'm still using the same mind in my dream than I am in waking reality, so why should it be different?...

So it seems the dreamstate mind should be the type of mind state I should have in real life. Just a curious spirit wandering around, not caught up with thoughts of work and worrying about your bills.

Dreamstate
When your a child
NDE
Maybe astral travelling too? ( never been there ) that i'm aware of.

These 4 are quite simillar, you just wander around in a curious state, a happy spirit experiencing.

Then theres the physical reality of the adult state, to think of it compared to those makes me think that my mind is poisoned. Maybe this state is more fearfull because my mind knows my physical body is mortal and has to keep it from danger.  Maybe in the other states I step outside of my human brain and that is where the problem is.

Any thoughts on this?..don't mind me i'm just rambling []

[TheSeeker]

Okay, well I'm not the best writer, and I've never actually put this theory into written word (or typed) so bare with me.

In physical reality, there are rules so to speak.  If two sane people view the same event, they will basically observe the same thing.  They may have different opinions, which may be effected by their perception, upbringing, etc...  But basically, if a dog runs by, everyone sees a dog run by.

In non-physcial reality... lets use dreams for example, since everyone here has dreamed if they have not yet astral projected or had 'other' experiences.  In dreams, what you expect, what you feel, events from your day, things lurking in the back of your mind, they all effect what you experience.  For instance, let's say in a nightmare you're hiding from the 'bad guy'.  You can see him, but as of yet he cannot see you, if you think "Oh my god! He's gonna see me!" and you really believe he will, then he will, almost immediately after the thought occurs.

So basically what you think is what happens.  Same thing with psychadelic drug use.  I know not everyone approves, and I'm not saying I do.  But, many people have spiritual experiences, and many people have hallucinations (atleast that is the word that is used).  If you're tripping and you look at your friend, and your friends face is turning red, you may think "He looks like a tomato!", then wham! Right before your eyes his face transforms into a tomato.

The point I'm trying to make, is that in non-physical reality, a reality based on conciousness where thought, perception, emotion, etc., can effect what you see, you really need focus, and a clear mind, or you'll be forever trapped in your own delusion mind.

So, my theory for the purpose of physical existence is that we are put here to establish awareness, self-awareness, focus, conciousness, etc...  In physical reality, there are solid rules that cannot be broken.  There are opposites, ways to compare things, tall/short, dark/light, etc..  There is friction.. so you can clearly feel where you are.  If you run into wall, it hurts, and you are keenly aware of your own body.  So that's it pretty much, physical existence is here to take 'new' conciousnesses, and wake them up basically, so we can begin the climb up the spiral of conciousness, or whatever you want to call it.

What happens when we learn enough or reach a certain frame of conciousness?  What is after physical reality?  I do not claim to know.. I not there yet... obviously.