Challenge to the Astral Projectors

[beavis]

Would you believe something that has lied to you over 1000 times? Then why believe the media?

[Kazbadan]

Well, well, i posted my last message at a few hours ago, and when i come back i see a war in here!! The war is because Osama so, i suppose that the solution it´s find him and kick is butt[^]! Just kiding.

If all of you are astral projectors at a long time, i suppose (and i hope) that you have learned something in the astral, for example, learn to be more calm. All of you are being very neurotic with this conversation. Forget about my idea about Osama, it was just a stupid idea.

Osama, Saddam, Bush, Blair,Aznar,Sharon, Barroso (the guy that leads my country), and all the other leaders in planet (with few exceptions, like Dalai Lama) are all the same. They want power, and only that. Of course that there are differences between an Osama or other guy (or maybe not, Bush kills people in a different way) that leads a state, but they still have something in comum: thirst for power. But i´m not anyone to judge them, maybe in a different way i´m worst, so it´s better to shut up my mouth.

And about 11 September, and Afegham, Iraq, Iran, Corea, Libany, etc, i just want say that war will never be the answer, even if we think that only war can stop terrorism, and innocent people does not desearve to die. And i don´t know the solution, but fire against fire only makes even more fire

So, saying this i thing it´s better to change the challenge: try to find a cure to any disease from this old world (anyone, even spiritual diseases). It´s more fruitfull than being here flaming each others just because Osama, Saddam & Cia.  

[goingslow]

I didnt read jc's posts till just now.  I guess thats where the media comments are coming in.  I dont get that type of thinking either.  jc we didnt do everything out there out of some noble cause.  It also isnt true about diplomacy.  The problem is when people get so caught on one side.

but this probably shouldnt have turned into another pro, anti war thing anyway.

[LogoRat]

Its a Bunch of Crap, Walk Away!

[T_Kman0610]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

USA deserved bin ladin's attack because USA invaded his country first.

personally i think politics should be out of the way in any of the forums, this is not a political debate site, its a site for people who astral project, want to learn to AP, and things of the supernatural such  as TK, and all of the other kinesis's, and by the way dont believe we deserved any of the attack, you think 3000 innocent people should of been killed ? are you sick in the head or something. anyone aggreeing on this please say so. i am an american im proud to be one all foriegners should either leave or help out the US and not talk about how the us stinks and stuff if thats your oppinion than get out!!!

[Kazbadan]

STOP WITH THIS CONVERSATION!! You will only get even more irritated with wich others. That´s not the purpose of this forum. If i could guess that my post would make all this confusion i would never posted it here. Forget USA,US, Iraq, Saddam, etc.
My idea was never meant to be politic. I hate politics.

Let´s start talking in another topic instead of fighting against each others for nothing. If we are like this just for no reason, i imagine how easy it´s to start a World War!!

[Kazbadan]

By the way, i forgot something very important: i will ask to the administrator to delete this topic from here, if this continues like we see.

I don´t know if you have noticed the importance of this discussion:PEOPLE THAT CAN ASTRAL PROJECT AND DEVELOP SPIRITUALLY IS FIGHTING FOR NO REASON. If such "advanced" people has no compassion and goodness, i think WE CANNOT EXPECT MORE ANYTHING OF GOOD FROM THIS OR ANOTHER WORLD. Madre Teresa, Dalai Lama, Jesus, Buda and many others didn´t knew AP and they were bigger than anyother of us. I think that we are forgetting the most important thinhs in the world. AP may just be other different form of power, other weapon for evil. But it´s possible to change that!

[Mustardseed]

Wow that was a lot of agression. I thought a lot about this thing you said with Osama and finding him etc. I think there are several problems with such a project or obstacles rather. I believe that people who has inflicted such a mass of suffering and death (that goes for anyone even if he/she believes it to be in a righteous  cause) is "led" by very powerful negs. These Negs is most likely protecting him and empowering him, as well as other politicians and desision makers. The wars we see here on earth might actually be the visible results of infighting in the spiritual, a quest for power in very low astral regions. In my opinion there is no "just" nation. Every nation on earth has at some time or other spilled innocent blod, and as such have been led by these entities, Spirits of war . Some place I heard them mentiond as Dogs of war a certain bread of Negs specializing in sowing division subversion and infighting. I think that negs revel in this hatred and hate and is able to use this as a channel and enter peoples minds even at a forum like this!!!!!. In a way those who chose sides and "speaks up" with great flaming words of hate agression can become infected by this spiritual discease that threatens to destroy the entire world. Have no part in it folks, it will only pollute your spirit and lead you further and further away from the truth into a world ruled by negative emotions. Follow LOVE FORGIVNESS MERCY , just open the doors wide to the sunshine and the darkness will flee of it self. (ha got all poetic here) anyway that is my 10 cents worth as you americans put it.

[clandestino]

Hi Kazbadan ! Interesting question. A lot of people believe astral projection can be used to acheive exactly what you mentioned.

However, its not easy. I guess you could compare your question to the following scenario :

take the 4 fastest sprinters in the world, and challenge them to run 100m in 9.65 seconds.

Now, all 4 talented sprinters know that they have an ability that puts the task within reach, but try as they might, they can't do it. Until one day, when someone comes along, and acheives the task. The 4 sprinters have probably already done it in training, but in a pressure situation its a different story.

With regard to astral projection, I believe that it is possible to locate things / gain knowledge about things within the physical universe, by using different states of conciousness. However, I'm not on the side of the people that believe it can be accomplished by projecting into the real-time zone, as I believe this is just another aspect of the astral planes.

And now on to the war argument that has, incredibly, dominated the thread. I have nothing against Americans, and I think that 9/11 was wrong......but the 9/11 act was committed for a reason. The hijackers didn't just get up one morning and think "this'll be a laugh."

Perhaps if the US govt. had a foreign policy that didn't regularly infuriate the rest of the world, these things wouldn't happen ? Just a wild guess.

Mark

[goingslow]

At times this place is a little ridiculus.  

"now im not for the killing of people such as that" but....  

Anyway I dont think people can sit around shaking their head saying "I dont understand this anger and hatred" at beavis's comment.  How many people here know someone that died in that event?  I happen to.  Maybe Im just too attached though and should forget the death.. instead focus on OBE and ignore moronic comments hinting at the fact they deserved it in some way because of the U.S.'s foreign policy.

Have it deleted if you want.  People will react to things.  Its a lot easier if you dont care or it doesnt effect you personally.  But I find it hard to believe you all could be so detached.. no matter how advanced you are if it had been your brother/friend etc.

But you should know that already.. the fact you people use things like this to push political buttons should be something you think about.

[LogoRat]

Your friend died nomatter what reason it was behind it.

I rest my case!

[Greytraveller]

goingslow
your quote
>>>>>Anyway I dont think people can sit around shaking their head saying "I dont understand this anger and hatred" at beavis's comment. How many people here know someone that died in that event? I happen to. Maybe Im just too attached though and should forget the death.. instead focus on OBE and ignore moronic comments hinting at the fact they deserved it in some way because of the U.S.'s foreign policy.<<<<

My feeling EXACTLY. beavis knew what he was saying. And he said it in order to get a negative reaction from people. He also posted political opinions twice off-topic and out of context. So he got a strong reaction and that is what HE WANTED. So No surpirse he got ALOT of negative reactions..
And if beavis goes out in public and says the same thing he will no doubt also get a very strong reaction. But I don't think he will do that as it would not be a healthy thing to do.
Anyway your point about focusing on projection/OBE is clearly the right idea. That is why we are all at this site. Not to bash other peoples' viewpoints (no matter how moronic) but to increase our abilities to go OOB!
BTW this is my first and only post to this thread since it was moved from the Astral forum. I see no point in flaming beavis at every opportunity. Hopefully he will refrain from making inappropriate political comments in the future. If so, then fine, no problem. [] If not, then BOOM, FLAME ON.[]

[LogoRat]

What i can see is that its not Beavis that is keeping this discussion alive.. its you.

Leave him alone!

[Kazbadan]

I have a challenge for you: if the astral projections is true, and if you can do almost anything, I challenge everyone that can astral project, to catch Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein!

If you can really to that, i think it´s not difficult to do such thing. You just find him, and them you tell us what you saw. It would be interesting to see if everyone indicates the same place where are they. SInce Saddam it is alomts being captured, we could compare the place where he was captured, with the posts here.

By the way, i have a question: if CIA uses Astral P. why didn´t they found Osama yet? Or the nuclear weapons in Iraq (if they exist)?

If someone have better challenges, it would be nice to post it in this forum.

Again, sorry about my horrible english!