Help with Kundalini...

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Noxerus, do have links or explanations for those stages please?

[Noxerus]

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[jilola]

Boydster:

quote:I believe that you'll find a lot more instances of the former type when perusing public data. My theory on this is that those people are usually looking for help with a problem they can barely understand. The latter group are usually quietly going about their business, usually under the tuteledge of a master who guides and protects them. It is also generally true that you'll find those from the latter group are the ones warning people away from playing with Kundalini, having experienced it enough to understand the enormous long term discipline and sacrifice necessary to stay safe and sane.

I agree completely. The only disagreement I have with your post is that I believe the energy in both instances is the same but the person experiencing it is better attuned to energies and hus has much greater control over it.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by Targa

Sorry about the delay, Kalonek.  []

No problem I was just getting a bit worried about your health after all this ! I'm glad you're still alive !  []

quote:I also wonder at what, exactly, this kundalini energy is doing, if anything?  On the one hand, you might think that this "power of God" constantly flowing into your head would somehow transform you, or at least the way you think.  But on the other hand, there are those people who have been dealing with the negative effects of kundalini for years, and none of them seem to be any more enlightened than when they started out.

From what i know, the kundalini rising has a long term effect in the way that it gives you a higher level of consciousness over the years and better understanding of the world(s). I think that people with the negative effects result from an accidental rising of the kundalini, which they didn't want, and therefore people who even don't know what is happening and just want it to stop. I think you should let the things calm down, as you said by grounding yourself into "normal" life, the time for you spinal pathway to become wide and developped enough to handle with the kundalini without the bad after effects at night etc. I guess that boydster could give you some good advice on this. Anyway, i sincerely hope everything will get stabilized and fine for you very soon ! Let us know with some reports like this, i look forward for them !

quote:On the whole, if I had to do it over again, I'm 50/50.  Based on the fact that I've been able to quit a lifelong habit/addiction to tobacco, it's been a good thing.  If not for that, however, I would wish I didn't do it.  My advice:  Heed all the warnings, and allow kundalini to be raised in its own time, without any forcing.  Grounding does help, but not alot, and does not prevent nighttime flow of kundalini energy.

Again, i hope everything will progressively calm down, which is logical for me. Although i didn't rise my kundalini, i agree with your advice. It's why i want to have a energetic body well developped and freed from all blockages, before attempting anything to big. And in any case i'll wait at least 10 years from now to do this, even if i think i'm prepared. Better be overprepared

I look forward for your next "health" reports !

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by Targa

I also wonder at what, exactly, this kundalini energy is doing, if anything?  On the one hand, you might think that this "power of God" constantly flowing into your head would somehow transform you, or at least the way you think.  But on the other hand, there are those people who have been dealing with the negative effects of kundalini for years, and none of them seem to be any more enlightened than when they started out.

Hi Targa!!

This is an interesting issue you bring up. What exactly is the nature of enlightenment? And how does one attain it?

You seem to be asking why it is that many of the people who experience an unleashed Kundalini apparently don't find enlightenment, or at least your idea of enlightenment.

I'd like to explain my own definition of enlightenment, which may not resemble that of anyone else, but here it is:  

Each of us has a thread of energy/consciousness leading from our divine monad or individualized God Presence which terminates inside our heart chakras. It feeds us the energy which animates our physical bodies and is broken at death. But it is also our ultimate source for attaining enlightenment via the development of this channel, which allows us to share in the consciousness of our higher self or God Presence. By placing our attention on this higher self for long periods of meditation and devotion, we develop and enlarge this relationship which allows more and more of the energy and consciousness of the higher self to manifest within us. Ultimately, but only after quite a bit of work and right decisions, one becomes the perfect outpicturing and manifestation of the higher self--this is, in occult terms what is called adeptship, and is a pretty good definition of enlightenment.

For most people who are going to make it on this path, the Kundalini part is something that just happens down the road and according to a divinely ordained timetable. Kundalini is not *the road* though. Even more to the point, starting with the premise of Kundalini as "the path" to enlightenment is putting the cart before the horse. It is the relationship with ones higher self that is the goal, and progress in this direction (through much meditation, prayer, etc.) is what makes the heart chakra to be like a mighty magnet--the magnet which pulls energy down from above, and which also pulls the Mother Light up from the base chakra. The meeting of the two polarities of energy at the heart chakra are what gives birth to the adept or Christ Consciousness in man.

I wouldn't be too surprised if someone leaves out the "years of meditation on God" part and fails to find enlightenment. If people raise the Kundalini and then spend all of their time and attention on mundane things, they'll probably be reaping all the inconvenience and pain of Kundalini but gain very few of the benefits. It's the firmly established connection to the Lodestone of the God Presence which is the first goal and the key to everything. That's the place to start.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by jilola
I agree completely. The only disagreement I have with your post is that I believe the energy in both instances is the same but the person experiencing it is better attuned to energies and hus has much greater control over it.
2cents & L&L
jouni

No disagreement here. I think you're right.

The "much greater control" part is the million dollar trick. And my opinion is that without a sponsoring master or a very slow, controlled development (like decades...), most people are likely to get completely derailed.

I especially sorrow for those who rupture the casing containing the Kundalini so that She comes and goes regardless of ones wishes and at any hour of the day or night. When I watch the Kundalini move within me, it appears as though the layered sheaths gently unfold like a flower opening. And when She retires to Her home in the base chakra, the sheath closes again and stays that way unless I will it open. This, I believe, is a grace and benefit of allowing things to happen naturally instead of forcing things. And it is a small part of the puzzle with respect to the "much greater control" you mentioned.

Another part of the "much greater control" is the factor of untransmuted appetites. Addictions and uncontrolled desires will get magnified out of normal proportion when Kundalini is present. It's best to clear and master all this stuff before thinking of embarking on the steep part of the climb.

[Targa]

Hi all.  Sorry to dredge up an old topic, but I haven't been in the forums in a while and I thought that I should come make a final post...if only for the sake of education for those who might be considering a K-raising attempt.

After approximately 4-5 weeks had gone by, I was completely back to normal.  I haven't been doing any energy-body work or K-raising attempts since the first awakening.  My life has returned completely to the same routine as before I started energy-body work.  All pain, insomnia, and associated symptoms have vanished.  For all intents and purposes, it's as though it never happened.  My thinking and philosophy has not changed.  I am not a "different person" (either thinking process or personality-wise).

Here, in my opinion, is the process I went through:

If you've studied metaphysics, or even just plain physics, for any length of time you've no doubt heard the term "vibrational rate".  Everything has its own vibrational rate.  Higher beings are said to be at high vibrations, with we humans being lower-vibrational entities.  Emotions have their own vibrations also, with love being high and physical pleasure being lower.  Kundilini is a very high-vibration energy.  When you awaken it and unleash it within yourself, you're essentially forcing your system into a very high vibration/operation mode.  To use a crude analogy: it's like being on speed all the time.

The part where I mentioned feeling as if I was on the borderline of sanity/insanity resulted from my brain being forced to function at a vibratory rate that it not only was not used to, but is at the very upper limit of what a physical being can tolerate.  Being at a high vibratory rate had its advantages, of course.  I felt awesome physically, and I felt a very real feeling of love from very simple things...such as when my wife would pull her car in the driveway after work.

As I immersed myself in my attempt at grounding, my vibratory rate slowly and steadily declined.  At one point, I became very interested in the sensual nature of being a human.  Many people state that sexuality is a pitfall and a "base desire", yet my experience shows me that sensuality is actually not the lowest of vibrations.  You can descend even lower and slower, at which point your mind becomes more preoccupied with society and sloth.  By that I mean that the focus shifts to money, working around the house, watching TV and playing computer games, etc.  I believe that this is because these "lowest things" have very little or no meaning in the scheme of life.  The countless hours spent watching TV, thinking or worrying about money (and bills), playing computer games, etc... are all hours of your life that are virtually wasted on self-centeredness and self-indulgence.  At least with sensuality I was sharing a physical expression of love with another person.

At any rate, I do not wish to present my case as a typical case, because everyone is unique.  But for me, Robert Bruce's warnings about being prepared to take a year off to deal with the awakening of kundilini were far from accurate.  I found that by immersing myself in day-to-day earthly living (working around the house, watching TV, etc...), I was able to fairly quickly mitigate the effects of kundilini.  Only the first couple of weeks were tough.  Between weeks 3-5 I went from great to normal.

Even if I never raise K again, I'm glad I did it.  This is yet another metaphysical experience I can add to my knowledge, and I'm sure I gained insight and wisdom from it.  Also, I know how to do it, and I know it's always there if I ever feel the need or desire to raise it again.

In closing, I'd like to add a little something that I've learned over the years that's not really related to kundilini:  We come to this 3-dimensional world, inhabit physical bodies, and have "amnesia" about who we are and where we came from for a very good reason.  There's an old Christian saying: "Don't be so heavenly-minded that you're no earthly good".  This rings true for me in another sense.  There are millions of people who are attempting to be "spiritual" and ignore "physical temptations".  Well, we came here with the express purpose of experiencing the limitations of being human, so we should explore it.  It would make no sense for a spirit-being to say, "I'm going to incarnate as a human so I can learn some things" and yet as soon as he or she becomes human they spend all their time trying desperately to forget who they are, where they are, and keep their eyes on heaven.

In other words, people should not despair that they are not like Jesus, Buddha, or any other so-called "enlightened" person.  You are who you are for a reason, and you're meant to learn from your life's situations.  Whether it's through grief at the loss of a loved one, learning to become balanced in your thinking, learning compassion, or whatever.  Your higher self and your spirit guides will always place you in situations where you have the opportunity to grow spiritually.  Don't worry about whether or not you're doing the right thing.  Your conscious mind isn't aware of the reason(s) for your incarnation, is not privy to this information, and is therefore not accountable for placing itself in "spiritual growth circumstances".  ie:  YOU are not in control, but rather just a passenger who's along for the ride.  The key thing is to carefully examine the major crises in your life, or major decisions you make (especially themes that repeat), and try to determine what you're doing wrong, and how you need to change your thinking so you can move past that lesson and on to the next one.

This is getting a bit lengthy, and really beyond the scope of this thread, but I feel it's also important to mention karma at this point.  The way our lives are planned (and I have seen this first-hand in my own life and those of my family), is that we try to deal with negative karma early in our lives, which allows us to quickly move on to the "progressing" phase of our lives.  A major example of this for me was that I apparently had a past life wherein I loved this person WAY too much.  It was more like obsession, where I worshipped the ground she walked on.  I met her in this life when I was 16, and immediately picked up where I had left off.  ie:  I was instantly madly in love, and KNEW that I knew this person from sometime before I was born.  Eventually over a few years, I was forced to make the decision to NOT be obsessed and leave this person in my past.  Many overweight people have ridiculed overweight people in past lives...hence they will NOT be able to lose weight in this life until they learn compassion.  It's said that epilepsy is the result of a previous life spent in hedonism and gross sensuality.  In essence, we must first deal with leftover issues (bad karma) before we can move on.

Anyways...I probably won't be around the forum, so best of luck to all of you.

[Reality]

quote:Originally posted by Targa

Hi all.  Sorry to dredge up an old topic, but I haven't been in the forums in a while and I thought that I should come make a final post...

Hey thanks so much for 1) sharing this 2) topping this topic....My spleen sponteously activated while reading these old posts! []

Interesting concept of how earthly things like 'watching tv' contains lower frequencies...No wonder TV makes me sleepy, unless it's very funny stuff. []

[The AlphaOmega]

I read Robert Bruce's "Catch Basket Concept" and he mentioned Kundalini (I think that's right).  When I tried to look this up I couldn't find anything that teaches how to do it.  It's "said" that it can be dangerous to raise your kundalini if you do not have a teacher to guide you.  But heck, I live in America, and highly doubt I will find a "guru" of sorts to teach me.  I just want to learn what it's all about and some techniques for doing it.  I accept all the risks.  Anyone out there familiar with this that is willing to share your kundalini raising techniques with me?