TO Mr Bruce: about Kundalini

[Brynbstn]

Robert Bruce wrote:

quote:...in brief, I was examinied by three deities (or ascended masters). Two shook their heads and retired, but the third came down and helped me. He showed me my errors and how to rectify my problems through spiritual cleansing (not physical).

I wonder what he meant by spiritual cleansing - what needed cleansing, why, and how did he undergo cleansing?

Also, you can email RB? How do you do it? Does he actually respond? He must get a lot...

Bryan

[Lynfer]

quote:Originally posted by Richard_kang
I agree with you Lynfer,Trance is a shortcut to energy development,and very effective,but the problem is go into trance is not quiet easy,if we get too tired at daytime,we will fall into sleep while doing trance.Now i am still thinking how to go into trance more easily.

Who ever said it was hard. It is one of the easiest things to do with the right technique done the right way.
 If you need specific instructions you can email me.Best of luck![]

[Andrew Garley]

Wow what a fantastic post!
Stunning read.
I have been very much aware of the dangers of over stimulation and the need for correct preperation.

Big thumbs up from me![]

[Astral-Jas]

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

Kundalini  sleeps in your butt.

Well, not really, but it comes up from the Base Chakra, which located tweenst the genitals and the butt, so when it rises, it probably feels like it's coming from the butt.

[] Lol!!

[Krevency]

Holy, geez!  Y'all people are just like, "Oh, great thing on Kundalini!  Better than other things I've read on Kundalini!"

But me.  This is the first thing I've EVER read on Kundalini (well, that's not true.  He mentioned it a few times in the Astral Dynamics book, but not enough that I would really know what it is.)  I'm not some guy that's read every metaphysical book out there, you know?  This is a really exciting idea.  It actually moves your internal organs?  Wow!

I guess I have another addition to my short list of goals in life.  

I mean, I'm really excited to learn about this.  You have no idea.[][][]

[aleshah]

When kundalini is just an effect the innermost process goes trough this
chakras.It seems like an electrical snake /tentacles connects to the higher centers over he head. When it is the death of the EGO the higher self is now active.It is not the death of the ego, but a transformation process from ego to higher self.That Higher self becomes the mind?It governs now stronger over the subconscious, it pumps now that energy out of the higher centers and the subconscious!?
Maybe this higher self is just a demon?Maybe this chakras are just connection points to controll the human race trough emotional control?
Maybe it is the state of Armageddon,the rage, which holds the gate to the multidemensional universe of the soul, where the dark meets the light, we have forgotten to often.

[endlessoneness]

Hello! I found a page with lots of Kundalini links. Enjoi!

http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/links.html

[Richard_kang]

hi,dear Robert,I'm Richard.I email to you for few times,thans for reply.Today i just buy ur Astral Dynamics on amazon.com: )



I've interested in Kundalini for few years and have a stong feeling that i have to achieve something very important in Yoga.

Now there is a trouble and a contradiction in my mind:like ur said, Kundalini needs to be developed, It is energy dependent, just like the OBE or Vision Screen states. I agree with u! engery is everything. But,if a young man pursues,can he get marry or have a girlfriend?Is sexual behavior release engergy or qi?

Last year,i did breathe excercise for 5 months,try to store vital energy in my base chakra,my chaka start vibrate more than 1000 times eveyday.But i made a mistake:I release all my engergy(becos my girlfriend,hehe).So,5 months effort was gone.I think the success or failure of the kundalini may really depends on the individual who can control his behavior,he must have a strict discipline,right?

I read ur article about Kundalini on forum today.I also read the book written by Gopi Krishna.But i still not very clear about how to work on chakra and which chakra is crucial to arousal of Kundalini.Can u give me some suggestions or some method about this?and i also have few questions:What is the relationship between the Kundalini and sex energy? Is sex engery must be saved for Kundalini?How should  i know that my base chakra has been fully developed?Is it has any symptom? which posture do u choose for meditation,lie on the bed(i used to lie on the bed but always fell into sleep) or sit on the chair?

Thank you very much and take care,Robert!

[Leo Volont]

At my advanced age, my digestion has become so irregular, that Bob Bruce's suggestion that a full-blown raising of the Kundalini would "liquify the bowels" might have become one of my greatest inducements to continue to plung forward with my Kundalini Meditations.   Enlightenment and the full plethora of Divine Graces would indeed be nice, but OH to finally be rid of that perpetual bloated feeling.

[Dreamer]

Thanks to Richard Lang for bringing up the topic and Robert Bruce for answering.

I have a question:

Do either of you and any of you out there have experience with other energy practices as well? Kundalini is not the way I'm drawn. And I agree, I think it's extremely dangerous when not prepared and almost as much so even when prepared.

Thanks for such a great post.

[Leo Volont]

I was thinking about Bob Bruce's essay on his Kundalini experiences, and it occurred to me that he was describing a pathology.  Remember how he spoke of the 3 and a half coils through his body.  Well, a properly raised Kundalini goes straight up the spine.  But if the full Kundalini goes up one of the side channels, THEN it spirals.  

But it is good to hear about somebody who did it so wrong and lived to talk about it.

The two channels are the Ida and the Pingala.  The center channel is the Sushumma.  One of the side channels is HEAT, and the other side is COOL.  Bob must have been lucky and hit the COOL side or the resultant fever of the HEAT side would likely have made him very sick.

[geoff]

Happy is the man who lives his own truth.

Needy is the man who lives someone elses.

G

[You]

Delusional is one who makes his own truth in fantasy

As for Kundalini, I picked up a book called Kundalini Yoga. I plan on writing about it in the book review section of this site once I've read the parts.

At first I was hesitant as I've read that stimulating Kundalini energies can be dangerous. Reading closely in the book, it mentions this too, and says that it actually doesn't do this, but rather works on balancing the chakras so that the energies can naturally flow through better.

This makes it different from stimulating the Kundalini on it's own. As far as I can tell, the dangerous kind is when you stimulate the Kundalini, but when it flows through it's too strong and ... I dunno stretches out the chakras too fast or unblocks blockages too fast...

If chakras are real, mine are real blocked.

[geoff]

Delusional is one who makes his own truth in fantasy

Who decides what is 'real' and what is 'fantasy'? Only a judgemental obvserver

I should explain at this point that I haven't got a clue as to what 'Kundalini' is.

I make it a point to trust my instincts, even when those instincts lead me blind into a discussion or experience.

If I had a name for everything, I wouldn't stop talking about it! Instead I do whatever I feel is right

I guess I mean I treat my life as experiential, not observational

I figure this much, if I survive anything I can throw at myself, then it's not dangerous; and if it kills me, I'll know (instinctively) not to do it again.

That's not to say that I don't heed the warnings of others; I use them as reinforcement for the fact that I'll be OK

Kind regards,

Geoff

[You]

There are lots of places to read about Kundalini, a LOT of new age stuff has it.

[galacticsurfer]

I read Robert Bruce's description and it sounds like a lot of what is being said in many places about a sudden explosive experience with audio-visual manifestations and heat etc. I always wondered why I did not get that. I  seemed to come on to it much more gradually and without any big sudden surges like he described. First I did hatha yoga for some years and knew nothing about kundalini but sometimes sitting still afternoons in the office would feel strange in my head as if it were somehow lighter or separated form my body(sitting upright for hours is probably like in meditation stimulating upward flow of energy I presume) and I had a quiet feeling in my heart chakra from saying mantra Soham(I am this).  Later on one day when doing deep backward bends where I could pull my foot all the way to the back of my head I felt my 3rd eye for the first time. some months after this I started in on Kriya yoga pranayama(energy raising breath techniques) and kept that up for a couple of years. This increased slowly day for day the feeling of energy throughout my body. As I started getting overload, headaches, etc. I stopped this practice. In the last year or so I tried some other energy practices like N.E.W., Sufi Heart rhythym meditation and tibetan dream yoga (concentrate and thereby stimulate chakras before falling asleep and do lucid dreams).

In the course of my practice of pranayama for example my hand and feet chakras opened up suddenly one dayupon waking. N.E.W. for example helps to spread available energy away from the body trunk towards the limbs thereby dissipating energy and reducing headaches, etc.

I tend to the belief that there are various techniques or schools for raising kundalini. Some are possibly into big experiences and a sudden energy rush and others (like kriya yoga or NEW) are extremely gradual where you notice slow changes in your energy state from day to day and month to month until you just have tons of it but no big shock and no negative consequences. Maybe the big explosive stuff comes from not being cleansed through years of yoga and similar so that K has to break through barriers. I cannot really say. I would have to have a large number of experiences of people before me to evaluate their spiritual habits beforehand and their experience of the energy over time in a sort of quasi scientific study. This however seems quite difficult to manage because people tend to keep such experiences private.

It is even conceivable that(presupposing a belief in reincarnation) if one was somehow prepared through good moral behaviour or meditation, etc. in previous lives then an easy, gradual painfree K awakening could occur in this life. I learned a couple of years after my first K experiences about Jyotish(indian astrology) and to my surprise that my horoscope predicted in the time frame (1998-99) that I actually experienced my 3rd eye opening and started Kriya yoga pranayama course that I would likely activate my kundalini. This got me to thinking that it was just my fate in this life to make some better spiritual progress and maybe it is just not for some people now(like nobody I know at work, family,e tc. for example). I think I was always an overly spiritual type of guy anyway as I see old family pictures where I look like a monk or a rabbi (full beard) or my brother laughed at me earlier as having been like in a trance through going to a pentecostal church as a teenager. Obviously people reading this and coming to this site are here as they are interested in this stuff and this is due to their karma, so probably K is for them.

The development never stops however.
In the last few days I had throbbing in all the roots of my teeth so that eating was even painful. Now I had to slow down on some energy work(throat and  forehead chakra probalby the culprits here). The only time I had pain in my teeth in this way before this was when with my now wife and before we had kids we were making love every day for a week or so which sadly overstimulated my K (before I knew it even existed). At least I do not get headaches from K now anymore thank God.

[The Night Mist]

Hold on a minute...I just read the article and it says that you can die from doing the NEW system?!?!
What tha...I read the book and it says there that it is completely safe

[Wells]

Hold on a minute...I just read the article and it says that you can die from doing the NEW system?!?!
What tha...I read the book and it says there that it is completely safe

You can't die simply from using NEW, quite the opposite!  The only danger is through improperly activating/raising the Kundalini which is very difficult to do 'by accident'.

[The Night Mist]

Ohh...that's a relief, for a minute there I was ...hmm...puzzeled

[geoff]

Where did you read this article? A link or a reference would be useful

Kind regards,

Geoff

[The Night Mist]

Warning: This subject must be approached with great care and respect. This is a long term goal, a lifetimes work. Raising kundalini is a dangerous thing to do. And the less prepared and developed a person is, the more dangerous it becomes. Madness and or death can result, as can a variety of serious physical and mental disorders, if one who is unprepared does this. As said, master wake induced OBE first, as this is not only a more achievable goal, but it also helps prepare one for higher levels of energy body activation and kundalini.

       

[geoff]

I have not checked the channel, but I can guess....

Who posted that article?

[Leo Volont]

Where did you read this article? A link or a reference would be useful

Kind regards,

Geoff

Are you asking about the Robert Bruce Essay that was quoted in its entirety in the second Post of this very Thread?  It was quite a prize!

I was surprised to find that Bob Bruce was speaking of a sideways raising of the Kundalini as though it was accepted and ordinary practice.  All of the Traditional Schools of Kundalini suggest the correct way of raising the Energy is to bring it straight up the Spine through the Sushumma Channel.  But Bob talks about bringing it up one of the side channels -- either the Ida or the Pingali -- as though he would recommend it.

I guess this is what you can suspect from people who think they don't need Gurus.

[geoff]

I guess this is what you can suspect from people who think they don't need Gurus

I guess so. I make it a point to have my misconceptions explained to me; just so I can judge them for myself.

It's wrong, maybe, to give a beleif as a truth, or offer an experience as a generalisation.

But then at least some people are experimenting, and even in the face of perceived dangers.

After all; How do you know that pricking your finger with a pin hurts? Because you were told? or because you *just had to* do it?

Kind regards,

Geoff

[Leo Volont]

Oh... I dug around a bit to see if Bob Bruce's 'clockwise' Snake was Ida or Pingali.  Ida, the lefthand, lunar and cool side would be preferrable to the Pingali righthand solar side.  Coolness would not hurt so much as heat.

And we are lucky.  The Ida does turn Clockwise.  the Pingali, or hot side turns counterclockwise.

I also found a reference that says that during ordinary energy flow, the energy rises through the Ida Lunar lefthand clockwise channel, and descends through the Pingali righthand counterclockwise hot Channel.  But in the Yogic Process the energies are to be mixed and balanced.  The rise of the Kundalini through the Central Sushuma Channel in the spine is the ultimate success of this Balancing.