A Few Kundalini Tips

[daem0n]

everyone is dead set with vegetarian diet, while it is clearly untrue
you don't have to have vegetarian diet to raise kundalini, but balanced diet with fresh vegetables is good, and dropping excrement/junk food would be called for (it makes me sick to even look at it)
we don't need to take up kundalini, but if we want to move further we will need it
if we are not ready raising the kundalini would be extremely difficult
Tayesin
i practiced both ways, firstly just as described in http://ascendpress.org, from Mother Earth and under supervision of her avatars, to clear remaining blockages
then i took it from the base chakra, up to crown and celestial chakras to the other end of crown chakra connection (high self, oversoul, whatever ), then back and through earth star to aurora of earth, and then back to base,  the energy was empowered on both ends
however the flow is still small, to let the body adjust, to the oneness experience there is much larger flow required, and it is impossible for my body (i started the path in july, for crying out loud), i know what to do for the time being, and i know my ultimate purpose, so i guess oneness is irrelevant to me

[pmlonline]

Hi Tayesin,

I'm fine thanks.  Everything's going well for you also?

I don't want to sound as if I'm against or for Kundalini practice.  In fact, how wonderful it would be for one to strive for such purity to raise the Kundalini.  I only strongly suggest the purity first.

Good to see you here Tayesin!

Peace & Love,
Paul

[andonitxo]

everyone is dead set with vegetarian diet, while it is clearly untrue
you don't have to have vegetarian diet to raise kundalini, but balanced diet with fresh vegetables is good, and dropping [edit]/junk food would be called for (it makes me sick to even look at it)

Well, I'm not actually saying that vegetarianism is a have-to-fulfill condition in order to attain some kind of enlightment but it is true, too, that it is recommended in different "thought schools". Buddha himself adviced veganism to achieve a more rapid development. In theosophism some authors advocate for it too, as in yoga teachings. In essene's gospels it is highly recommended to follow a lactovegetarian diet with lots of crude foods.

I went into vegetarianism some years ago due to some reasons not related to spiritual develpment but this diet change changed my mind too and took me to more spiritual fields settling down my mind's mess.

Anyway why do we want enlightment?, for our own sake or to be prepared for some kind of God mission for the sake of all beings?. If that's true what good do we offer to those animals we eat?.

Greetings.

[Leo Volont]

the question, I think, would have to be: why do we need to wake up kundalini?, or in other words, why do we have to oblige our kundalini's awakening?.

The Kundalini is like the root system for our spiritual growth.  As the Bhagavad Gita says, cryptically, the Roots extend above, and the tree develops below.  By sending the Kundalini upward, we are sending forth our roots.

Without the Kundalini we can be good moral people.  But to be Transcendent, the Kundalini is necessary.  Christians call it the Holy Spirit.  The Chinese call it Chi.  The Hindus have other words for it -- Prana, Shakti.  As intellectual as the Zens pretend to be, they have their physical exercises too.  In Tibet they do little else then Tantra, which is Energy Yoga pushed to the extreme.

Yes, it is good to go into Kundalini Yoga with moral and psychological discipline.  But life is short.  You will die anyway.  Take the gamble.  You might win if you try, but if you don't try, you will still die.

Besides, I've known hundreds, maybe thousands of yogis.  There may be more insanity among such a crowd then in the general public, but consider the source.  No, I don't think there is any considerable reason to worry.

[Leo Volont]

everyone is dead set with vegetarian diet, while it is clearly untrue
you don't have to have vegetarian diet to raise kundalini, but balanced diet with fresh vegetables is good,

If an Angel comes to you and tells you to eat only vegtables and that you will be sustained with Divine Energy, then, by all means, be a vegetarian.  But to decide to be a vegetarian as a kind of personal affirmation...

I've seen once vibrant people wither away with their grazing diet.  They get sick and wonder what Karma has brought such illfortune to pass, but they don't think about when the last time it was they had a nutritional meal.

The Ashrams encourage Vegetarianism.  Do we need to wonder why?  You can run a vegetarian kitchen at the fraction of the cost of a Cafeteria that serves real food.   The Ashram Officials figure that those with common sense will sneak out and eat enough to sustain life, and are sad about those who will trustingly go along with the official program and get sick by it... but what can they do with their limited budgets?

[Leo Volont]

Hi Tayesin,

I'm fine thanks.  Everything's going well for you also?

I don't want to sound as if I'm against or for Kundalini practice.  In fact, how wonderful it would be for one to strive for such purity to raise the Kundalini.  I only strongly suggest the purity first.

Good to see you here Tayesin!

Peace & Love,
Paul

You can wait through your prime until old age asserts its own kind of impotent purity, but then you have lost your vitality.

No.  five minutes of purity is enough. GET STARTED while the wood is still green.

[Leo Volont]

everyone is dead set with vegetarian diet, while it is clearly untrue
you don't have to have vegetarian diet to raise kundalini, but balanced diet with fresh vegetables is good, and dropping [edit]/junk food would be called for (it makes me sick to even look at it)

Well, I'm not actually saying that vegetarianism is a have-to-fulfill condition in order to attain some kind of enlightment but it is true, too, that it is recommended in different "thought schools". Buddha himself adviced veganism to achieve a more rapid development. In theosophism some authors advocate for it too, as in yoga teachings. In essene's gospels it is highly recommended to follow a lactovegetarian diet with lots of crude foods.

I went into vegetarianism some years ago due to some reasons not related to spiritual develpment but this diet change changed my mind too and took me to more spiritual fields settling down my mind's mess.

Anyway why do we want enlightment?, for our own sake or to be prepared for some kind of God mission for the sake of all beings?. If that's true what good do we offer to those animals we eat?.

Greetings.

It is True that one of my favorite Saints, Saint Francis of Paola, who established the Minum Order, was extremely rigourous in his vegetarianism.  No meat, no fish, no dairy.  Three Popes would not certify his Order because, even by the most ascetic standards of the time, they thought the diet Francis of Paola proposed was suicidal.  But he outlived them.

Francis had to insist over and over again that his Order would survive by Miraculous Means.  And he would demonstrate miraculous feats of every kind in order to try to convince the papal envoys that if he could walk on water and stand in a fiery brick kiln, then it was barely possible that he could sustain his Order on celery and carrots.

I believe even today the Minims are still doing it.  But Francis's Magic has staying power.  On his way to visit the King of France he passed a villiage that was struck with the Plague.  they asked him to pray in intercession for them.  He did and the plague immediately remissed.  and now, 500 years later, this same villiage is known far and wide for being impervious to any epidemic.  Flu Seasons... not a thing.  Colds never go around.  If it wasn't for crazy french drivers, nobody would ever die in that town.

[andonitxo]

the question, I think, would have to be: why do we need to wake up kundalini?, or in other words, why do we have to oblige our kundalini's awakening?.

The Kundalini is like the root system for our spiritual growth.  As the Bhagavad Gita says, cryptically, the Roots extend above, and the tree develops below.  By sending the Kundalini upward, we are sending forth our roots.

Without the Kundalini we can be good moral people.  But to be Transcendent, the Kundalini is necessary.  Christians call it the Holy Spirit.  The Chinese call it Chi.  The Hindus have other words for it -- Prana, Shakti.  As intellectual as the Zens pretend to be, they have their physical exercises too.  In Tibet they do little else then Tantra, which is Energy Yoga pushed to the extreme.

Yes, it is good to go into Kundalini Yoga with moral and psychological discipline.  But life is short.  You will die anyway.  Take the gamble.  You might win if you try, but if you don't try, you will still die.

Besides, I've known hundreds, maybe thousands of yogis.  There may be more insanity among such a crowd then in the general public, but consider the source.  No, I don't think there is any considerable reason to worry.

Hi there, Leo:

Maybe my words have sounded as if I would be contrary to kundalini's awakening. I do know it is a must for obtaining the condition to get to "somewhere" but what I don't agree is to "just awaken" it at any price.

I suppose that pushing high levels of electricity into a circuit not able to support them would burn it. When I read the miraculous effects of the sacred energy on our bodies/minds/souls I put in practice all yoga related exercises to light my little spark. I even felt some little electricity shocks on my spine.

But at that point new information reached me in relation to potential dangers: headaches, insanity, some illnesses and so on. I bet my guide made that information to get to me.

Life is not short. Being inmortals as we are we will be able to attain it, if not in this life in the following ones. Imagine for a moment that your life would extend to the age of 90 and that you lose the chance because a forced kundalini awakening makes a cancer to appear due to energetic imbalances. Much time will be lost because it's hard to get the big picture on a physical life and on the next reincarnation all youth will be needed to recover past life's germs.

A friend of mine who is an astrologer always tells me: "all you see in your life, all good and evil, is the amalgam of past lives. Look at it calmly, see the pieces and decide whether you must arrange this or cast away that."

So boiling down, I believe kundalini should rise as a by product of the evolution of our bodies, i.e, physical, astral, mental and causal ones. When they're refined so as to stand a complete energetic development  kundalini will rise up automatically.

Regards.

[daem0n]

Leo
if angel would come and tell me to go live in the cave (an example) i would ask him for his references, angel ID, concession and such
you have a tendency to surrender  to shiny things, i guess that is due to your path, but watch out

andonitxo

but still you have to hit the switch, unless you want to wait, and you never know when you die (feelings don't count, make everything you can out of every day)
which of course doesn't mean that i haven't refined my bodies before hitting the switch, and checked within myself hundred times (after all i knew the dangers)

kundalini is a must when you want to remove limitations of all that you are, and it means integrating aspects from different dimensions, which requires energy, awareness, and means
forced kundalini can appear only when you are stupid, insensitive and overconfident, and with these traits you won't get far anywhere in anything

[Leo Volont]

So boiling down, I believe kundalini should rise as a by product of the evolution of our bodies, i.e, physical, astral, mental and causal ones. When they're refined so as to stand a complete energetic development  kundalini will rise up automatically.

Regards.

Good balanced argument.

It makes me remember that I once wrote a paper saying about the same thing -- I was to contrast Vedanta and Tantra as regarding the Kundalini.  The Tantrics were of the school that you shoot the energy up and you cross your fingers regarding the possible results.  The results could be spectacular, but also unpredictable, and such a sword often has a blade on each side.  

But Vedanta specified the squaring away of the big triple three -- Karma, Knowledge, and Love all had to be purified and etherealized.  When all of that could be set in order... when the Fruit would be Ripe... then the power would rise into a receptive and prepared Vehicle.

But, as you can see, although I am somewhat conversant with the Vedantic Argument, still, as an old man, the Tantric exhortation to "damn the torpedoes!  full speed ahead!" looks better and better.  

In an active life, karma will always be complicated.  One often falls from the Razer's Edge.  I've learned much knowledge, but knowledge is like a map collection to a landlocked villager -- I know of possibilities, which without a fundamental change, are really quite impossible.  And where Love is concerned, while there is still a Republican Party, it must always be tinged by living in the same heart side by side with Hate.

So while the inevitable contingencies of life make Vedanta a pretty but impossible choice, Tantra has its risks but also its results.

[Leo Volont]

Leo
if angel would come and tell me to go live in the cave (an example) i would ask him for his references, angel ID, concession and such
you have a tendency to surrender  to shiny things, i guess that is due to your path, but watch out

It is my experience that Angels come more than once.  Why?  Because they have been watching and they know that they will not be interferring with your Free Will... that you already wish to go to where they would be willing to help you get.

For instance, one of my hobbies is being a feline volunteer.  I also have indoor cats and I care for a slew of outdoor ferals.  But there was this one young feral who was able to break through all the social barriers that the Feeding Station Ferals would put up to keep their troupe 'exclusive'.  Basically they let her eat because they all decided she was 'likeable' by cat standards.  Then she would begin to stay close to my door.  At times when she would be the first to arrive after I would make the dinner call, hearing me continue to call for the others, she would leave the food and follow me, joining in the call... which shows both a social bond with me, and a social bond to the other cats.  After awhile I was convinced that this particular cat would make a good Indoor Cat.... that she would always retain some feral qualities, but she would work out on the inside.

Just as I watch these cats, the Angels watch us.  Most of us are 'ferals' and the Angels will continue to feed us.  But for those of us who would work out okay if we came in, the Angels hold the door open more than once.

[pod_3]

I wish this the thread had begun before I had found success with very similar methods through trial and error, but I was wondering if you have not found yourselves to marked in any way?

[pod_3]

If the answer is "no," then please let us know, thanks. If there are marks, please complete your anecdotes. I have heard that some symbols keep the flow constant. Or that, following placement of the mark, there is a permanent and constant channel. I'm I the only one exposed to the idea?

[Leo Volont]

Hi there, Leo:

Maybe my words have sounded as if I would be contrary to kundalini's awakening. I do know it is a must for obtaining the condition to get to "somewhere" but what I don't agree is to "just awaken" it at any price.

I suppose that pushing high levels of electricity into a circuit not able to support them would burn it. When I read the miraculous effects of the sacred energy on our bodies/minds/souls I put in practice all yoga related exercises to light my little spark. I even felt some little electricity shocks on my spine.

But at that point new information reached me in relation to potential dangers: headaches, insanity, some illnesses and so on. I bet my guide made that information to get to me.

Life is not short. Being inmortals as we are we will be able to attain it, if not in this life in the following ones. Imagine for a moment that your life would extend to the age of 90 and that you lose the chance because a forced kundalini awakening makes a cancer to appear due to energetic imbalances. Much time will be lost because it's hard to get the big picture on a physical life and on the next reincarnation all youth will be needed to recover past life's germs.

A friend of mine who is an astrologer always tells me: "all you see in your life, all good and evil, is the amalgam of past lives. Look at it calmly, see the pieces and decide whether you must arrange this or cast away that."

So boiling down, I believe kundalini should rise as a by product of the evolution of our bodies, i.e, physical, astral, mental and causal ones. When they're refined so as to stand a complete energetic development  kundalini will rise up automatically.

Regards.

I understand your anxieties, but I've known hundreds of serious Kundalini Yogins who WISH they had enough energy flow to worry about.

Most of the warnings being generated about the dangers of Kundalini are being circulated by self-proclaimed Gurus who would enroll you in a Class or a Weekend Seminar that would teach you the 'safe' way.

I am an old man who has been hobnobbing with spiritual aspirants all his life.  Much of my experience makes me cynical of much of what I read and hear.  Where are all these tragic cases of Kundalini gone awry?  The true problem is that there is no problem -- that ninehundred and ninetynine Kundalini Yogins out of a Thousand can tell you all about their Energy Experiences, but can't suggest even a hint of any actual solid benefit they have derived from it all.  Most would gladly take a bit of a risk in order to finally be dealing with enough Power to achieve something significant.  Instead most go to grave having achieved nothing.

So you want to be safe?  Safe from what?  Consider yourself the luckiest person in the world -- the One in a Thousand -- if you ever have anything to really worry about.  Until then it just seems as though you may be excessively flattering yourself that you have so much Energy that you need to contain it.  Or it may be your excuse for having absolutely nothing to show for your Spiritual Endeavors, and how you justify your being shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the Nine Hundred and Ninety Nine losers who serve as background for the One who ultimately is able to grasp what everyone else reached for but couldn't stretch far enough to touch.

[Leo Volont]

If the answer is "no," then please let us know, thanks. If there are marks, please complete your anecdotes. I have heard that some symbols keep the flow constant. Or that, following placement of the mark, there is a permanent and constant channel. I'm I the only one exposed to the idea?

What do you mean about being 'Marked'?

[pod_3]

I have heard some people program different chakras in their head with a religious symbol in order to keep the kundalni in progress while others who have practiced enough recieve their (unasked for) symbols permanently. Though physical injuries have been reported, and they have made certian shapes upon the skin,  I am obviously speaking of the astral or spiritual bodies.

Also, many mysteries schools consider this to be an initiation.

Have any of you seen any letters, shapes, images, etc. in your chakras?

[Leo Volont]

I have heard some people program different chakras in their head with a religious symbol in order to keep the kundalni in progress while others who have practiced enough recieve their (unasked for) symbols permanently. Though physical injuries have been reported, and they have made certian shapes upon the skin,  I am obviously speaking of the astral or spiritual bodies.

Also, many mysteries schools consider this to be an initiation.

Have any of you seen any letters, shapes, images, etc. in your chakras?

No... seems to be just an amorphous blob of energy.

But since you mention it... years ago, after having done the Gayatri Mantra for a year, I had a Lucid Dream in which the space in front of me shimmered in waves and turned violet and then a hole in space tore open about 20 feet away and the Pure White Light poured out (it looked like the White Light you get when you burn magnesium, and that reflected in a Chromium Mirror).  The White Light was only without form for a second or two and then it formed up into a very elaborate sculpture of a Paramahamsa Swan -- a Sacred Symbol in the Sanskrit Traditions.  and that Paramahamsa Swan then shot into my forehead.  Then it reformed from the White Light out of the hole in space 20 feet in front of me, and shot again into my head, and over and over again, each time the Swan becoming simpler and less elaborate, until it was simply a bird of two wings similar to a "V" like children draw representing a bird in flight... and they poured into my head at a rate of about 8 per second.

[pod_3]

Yes, I have heard of Christians seeing a dove descending, these are sometimes drawn similarly to the "V" you mentioned.

[You]

You know, I do plan on getting experienced before doing Kundalini (unless I get really ticked off an angsty depressive and want power), but I'm not going to force myself to become a celibate vegetarian to do so, I'll just live with the consequences!

[pod_3]

1Timothy
4:1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith,  paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
4:2 through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies,branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
4:3 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected,  if it is received with thanksgiving.
4:5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.

[Leo Volont]

1Timothy
4:1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith,  paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
4:2 through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies,branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
4:3 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected,  if it is received with thanksgiving.
4:5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.

What point are you trying to make by quoting Paul?  Have you read the opening chapters of Revelation -- Paul was the False Apostle whom John congratulates the Asian Churches for rejecting.  Paul admits that the Asian Churches ran him out of town.   The Epistles of John, James, Jude, and even Peter go to great extent in repudiating the doctrines of Paul.

And what were the doctrines of Paul?  Well, where Christ had preached a Religious Morality, Paul had taught that by murdering Christ, believers who had faith in that Murder would be exempted from Judgment and would no longer need to obey the Law or refrain from Sin.  Paul taught Forgiveness of Sins, which, when you think about it, is just the opposite of teaching the Necessity for Righteousness.  Paul was the Antichrist.

so why would you want to be quoting the Antichrist?  All the Real Apostles renounced Paul.  In his entire ministry he never quoted Jesus even once.  Paul would teach that anything that appeared Righteous, even Angels of Light, if they were to disagree with anything Paul said, should be rejected as demonic.  But isn't it Paul who should be considered demonic?  

Christ gave out 3 prophecies:  that His Church would be like a Wheat Field mixed with Weeds; that there would be taught a Wide Way which would lead to destruction, and that a False Apostle would come like a Wolf in Sheeps clothing who would be known for the evil he would do.  Paul is the fulfillment of all three of these prophecies.  He would reject Christ's Teachings of Righteousness and replace them with a Doctrine that amounts to nothing more than an excuse to Sin.  Every Evil committed by the Church would be somehow traceable to Pauline Doctrine.  The Influence of Our Lady the Blessed Virgin, in Her Supernatural interventions would go far to mitigate Paul's influence over The Church, and in pushing Paul's influence to the background.  But with the invention of the Printing Press, paul's influence would be unleashed upon the world and Christian Civilization would be swept away by the Pauline Doctrines of Free and Justified Sin -- millions of Catholics would be murdered and adherents of the True Church forever after persecuted and made to live in amoral secular societies.  All because of the difference between Christ and paul.

And you are quoting paul.

[pod_3]

Obviously, the passage was a reply to Tyciol:

I'm not going to force myself to become a celibate vegetarian to do so

Here is a doctrine central to Christianity - A flawless lamb was sacrificed before The Lamb was sacrificed. Was Paul the first person to teach forgiveness of sins, Leo?

The Sacrifice must be accepted physically, mentally, and spiritually, but it can also be refused physcally, mentally, and spiritually. A culture for the fullest and final refusal is being established right now and will be coming into fruition, shortly. So you see, the mark of the Beast and the mark of God are closely related.

[andonitxo]

Christ gave out 3 prophecies:  that His Church would be like a Wheat Field mixed with Weeds; that there would be taught a Wide Way which would lead to destruction, and that a False Apostle would come like a Wolf in Sheeps clothing who would be known for the evil he would do.  Paul is the fulfillment of all three of these prophecies.  He would reject Christ's Teachings of Righteousness and replace them with a Doctrine that amounts to nothing more than an excuse to Sin.  Every Evil committed by the Church would be somehow traceable to Pauline Doctrine.  The Influence of Our Lady the Blessed Virgin, in Her Supernatural interventions would go far to mitigate Paul's influence over The Church, and in pushing Paul's influence to the background.  But with the invention of the Printing Press, paul's influence would be unleashed upon the world and Christian Civilization would be swept away by the Pauline Doctrines of Free and Justified Sin -- millions of Catholics would be murdered and adherents of the True Church forever after persecuted and made to live in amoral secular societies.  All because of the difference between Christ and paul.

Dear Leo,
I love your reasoning. I never thought of this theme in these terms. Thanks for this wonderful viewpoint.

[pod_3]

        Any people claiming to be full kundaletics may give me an Email and tell me my name before I will reply to them in the future. If you post, and I see it, this will come up again. That's fire_conqueror@yahoo.com

Andonitxo, it was Leo who wrote that last quote. Please log-in and edit the post to that effect.

This page begins to cover a few of my beliefs about salvation. I think you'll like it, Leo:
http://www.godonthe.net/catholic_catechism/catechism1.html

Please chapter and verse me when telling me what's in the Bible.

[andonitxo]

Sorry Pod, I left an incorrect tag when I posted it. Right now it's ok. Bye.