Christian Magicians or Magick

[You]

Apparently they think that casting arcane rituals is fine as long as you have Jesus in mind, even if the bible says you're only supposed to pray.

[MadLordNad]

Funny you should mention benjamin franklin, the fellow was a satanist.

LOL@!@!!!!  

[MadLordNad]

Any spell which would negate or suppress someone's free will can be considered wrong. Love spells are the first thing which comes to mind. They seem innocent but forcing your will on others isn't nice.

[Cyrus]

Love spells are the first thing which comes to mind.

What is the difference of love spells and praying for someone and wishing that God would give him/her the very best? If you are Christian and cast this spell in the name of Jesus, then why don't you use prayer as Jesus himself taught? Why do you need spells?

[MadLordNad]

Well, my understanding of love spells is trying to FORCE someone to love you. That's wrong.

[mike001]

Love spells are the first thing which comes to mind.

What is the difference of love spells and praying for someone and wishing that God would give him/her the very best? If you are Christian and cast this spell in the name of Jesus, then why don't you use prayer as Jesus himself taught? Why do you need spells?

look at the results of the "2". how often do you see a physical answer through prayer, which you do get answers and all BUT look at the outcome of a spell forcing freewill. You almost automatically Physically see the results as someone who starts being obsessive which can be a backfire slapping you in the head. if you think about it there is difference in prayer and magick[/i] literally. Money spells for example... you can pray all year long and most likely your not going to start seeing money appearing easier and coming your way. spell, is the opposite.... however i am a believer in god and Jesus thus i am a Christian but i am also fascinated by magick. I do believe the two do not mix.. EVERYONE has their beliefs, JUST LIKE RELIGION how many different beliefs are out there, which one is correct. yeah some resemble for the most but not all. you go with what you believe is true, if the other person disagrees that is ONLY because he believes otherwise. their is no point in trying to point evidence in religion to. Tyciol seems like your pretty angry with alot of people who post their input. don't flame so much and let people post their beliefs, that is all it is not saying it is right NOR wrong, just a belief
Mike001

[Cyrus]

look at the results of the "2". how often do you see a physical answer through prayer, which you do get answers and all BUT look at the outcome of a spell forcing freewill. You almost automatically Physically see the results as someone who starts being obsessive which can be a backfire slapping you in the head. if you think about it there is difference in prayer and magick[/i] literally. Money spells for example... you can pray all year long and most likely your not going to start seeing money appearing easier and coming your way. spell, is the opposite....

Those examples show pretty well, that someone cannot be humble Christian and magican at the same time. If your prayers don't get answered, then one reason might be that God is not willing to give this what you prayed for, at least not this way you want it. And then comes in "Christian magican" and starts to force things to happen. I see OBVIOUS contradiction here: this "magican" is purely acting against the will of God

[You]

Now now, just because many of the founding fathers were part of the Hellfire Club and didn't like Christianity doesn't make them Satanists.

[MadLordNad]

Now now, just because many of the founding fathers were part of the Hellfire Club and didn't like Christianity doesn't make them Satanists.

The Canadian founding fathers were in a hellfire club?    

What's the Hellfire Club?

[redcatherine]

Hello Iv been studying Christian mysticism and Stuff like that for some time now. Iv been reading the Key of solomon and stuff. But What Is really frustrating is I want to do witchcraft But i don't wanna Say Stuff to like other gods cause I'm a christian witch .
 I wanna know how someone Who believes in God how can they do magick ? And if anyone in here is familiar of what I'm talking about , how Can a Christian do magick?
 GOD BLESS YOU ALL
   See ya
     Albert

Well i am still Christian and I am a mystic and magician
it is possible
and Jesus still appears in the realms teaching me and my peers
with great love for us
so we are not an abomination
how many right wing fundamentalist
that insist on literal interpretations never project
never see or hear their godhead at all
how shallow is their faith
read the Bible and see how much mysticism is there
i don't think it is wrong to learn
it is what we are called to do
it is God's greatest aspiration for us
it is what we do with what we learn
that makes the difference
i agree that dogma is a trap

have faith and discernment
learn without prejudice
and open your mind and heart to the universality of the Godhead
you can be a Christian still
but your beliefs will become much wider than that on a magicians path
the alchemist is a christian magic path
the kaballah is a Jewish magic path

follow your heart
find your own truth
you do not have to give up basic Christian tenets at all
but you will have to make room for other beliefs
like the reality of the Female aspect of the Godhead
and become a part of a wider perspective
of universal tolerance and compassion

as for what Christianity does to women
that is the institution and humanity
go beyond that to the love of Christ
which was not exclusive to the teaching of men
but included women and children of both genders

Thomas Jefferson was a man ahead of his own time
but it shocked me to learn as a child
he felt that all children should be educated freely poor and rich
but his definition was meant to include black male slaves
and not white girls at all
they sat on the steps after chores
and tried to hear lessons thru the windows of these sort of schools
and the freed black male slave was given the rights
to own property and vote
before the white female
in USA .

No it is not Christ
it is humanity
but we can change that

[Cyrus]

...and it still didn't replied to my question: why should a Christian use magic, if he/she can pray? Doesn't it indicate that his/her faith is too weak, or that he/she is out there to try things that go against will of God? Because if it's God's will, then why don't you pray and ask for it? Why use magic instead?  

[redcatherine]

Why would a Christian not use Magic
or any mystical means that would
without harm to another
allow the mystic to view the face of Christ
and hear the voices of the angels ?

Pope John Paul II said that meditation is the most sincere form of prayer
for in meditation we listen to what God wants to tell us
instead of praying for what we want

God is not the Santa Claus of the Universe
our relationship with God is not supposed to be
One Way
where we do the begging
and God does the providing

God helps those that help themselves
We must learn to make this a better world
This is a way that we have been shown to do this
It is a quest for answers and a path to  enlightenment
and learning about love and light and becoming the Great Work of God

This marvellous energy body was architected by God
this thing called magic is the control of the elements
to make the energy body work
God gave us these tools
in order to heal as Jesus did
in order to exorcise as Jesus did
and in order to project to the spiritual realms

Jesus said if we had faith we could do all that he did
and we should heal each other
and we should hear the angels
He said to follow him .

So what bothers you the most ?...the word Magic?
Call it something else then .
It is not evil to follow God .
All paths lead to God .
This is a path
to become enlightened
and prayer is part of it
but prayer is not enough
service to others is necessary
in order for us to grow and shine .
In meditation we go to the realms God created
to teach us and enlighten us

I did pray . I prayed to walk closer to Jesus .
This is a favourite hymn :
"The Lord is my Shepherd and I want to follow
wherever he leads me
wherever he goes
and while on the journey
to where we are going
he's walking beside me
or waiting for me .
I want to go to meet him there
to lay myself down at his side
the Lord is my shepherd
and I  want to follow
wherever he leads me
wherever he goes . "

I do pray daily
I go to Catholic Mass too.
My prayers for enlightenment are  met in this path
that has been followed by many Christians before me .

The path to God exists within each of us
so that we
as humanity
as the  most marvellous toy
may approach and walk more closely
and learn
more
about
LOVE

This is our raison d'etre.
This is the most
important work
and nothing gives
more satisfaction
in this life
than to fly with angels
and hear their songs
of unending praise
this is not wrong
this is not wasted effort.

God wants us all
to become
enlightened
so that we may
become
all that we can be
and so that we will truly
know how to love one another
as Jesus said ,
"this is my commandment
this is the greatest commandment
Love one another as I have loved you . "

Should a parent work to buy a house for their children
or should they sit in prayer and ask God to give it to them ?
We can pray for the interview or the job or the right home or partner and these little steps will come to us but we cannot expect that it will all
fall into place without some elbow grease on our own part .

God gives us the tools .
We must pick them up and follow him
take up the cross and follow
that is the way
that i go anyway

and if I see Jesus and angels where
it cannot be wrong
this path is not without pain or temptations
sometimes there are trials but i am going to do my best
to follow this path
all the days of my life .


Pax Domini