Reincarnation

[knucklebrain1970]

Ok, Reincarnation. Supposedly, I chose to be here. Right? Well since I'm so disconnected with my true self, and no matter what method I try I can't connect, I find it hard to believe that there are 2 of me;
1. My physical Self
2. My spiritual Self

Now my physical self does not want to reincarnate again. I've had it with this planet, I don't want to come back. Sad to say that? Yes, but I'm serious.

Now if my "TRUE- SELF" wanted to come here to experience and I can't remember because I'm disconnected and probably never will be reconnected, then how the hell and I to believe that there is such thing as free will.

Do you know how sickening it is to me to learn of everyone elses enlightenment's and astral travel and to want to experience it myself, but nothing works. I feel no energy, I can't relax.

Also, what is the sense of loving someone if you are separated at death and carnate into another body?

I find the free will concept very hard to believe. I want what I want, but my true self wants different?

This is what really really really aggravates me to no end and I want to explode. Now granted, I've only been meditating for a month, if that, but how long does it take before I have the ******* answers to the questions that have been gnawing at my stomach since my inception on this planet. Yeah I'm mad, very angrily ticked off type of mad dammit

Kevin

[Telos]

I sympathize with you and have many of the same questions. The logic is very twisted and unsettling. But the people who espouse the spirituality you're referring to generally base their words on experience. With that in mind, I think of it as though they are speaking a different language and that their ideas have to be "translated." From what I've learned from dreams, we each kind of have our own "spiritual language," although that word is somewhat of a misnomer, because right now we are using corporeal language to reference it.

Although, there is one part of your post for which I can give a definite answer.

Do you know how sickening it is to me to learn of everyone elses enlightenment's and astral travel and to want to experience it myself, but nothing works. I feel no energy, I can't relax.

Keep a dream journal. A very diligent one. Get up out of bed every single time you have a dream or any "otherworldly" experience. Since you "can't relax," you should have less trouble doing this than someone who relaxes too much.

[Legend]

As it is; you did choose to be here.  And you also likely chose to come back here =).  You're trying to connect with a piece of yourself, yet you already are connected to it.  Perhaps you're just not listening or can't really interpret things.   Perhaps you're looking for hard-evidence type of answers when you should trust your feelings some more.  No amount of words will fully convince you of anything you don't already believe (at least that's what I think).

As far as loving someone; what you have to ask yourself is this "What do you really love?"  Is it the body, the personality, the presence or something beyond all of that which you can't really explain?  A body dies, a personality also dies and a presence is a manifestation of your own emotions on someone.  So what DO you really love in the end?  If you love someone genuinely, it will go beyond the looks, the personality and the little things that seem to mater so much.

It seems that your patience is what's killing you here.  You gotta work on patience and concentration.

Ok, Reincarnation. Supposedly, I chose to be here. Right? Well since I'm so disconnected with my true self, and no matter what method I try I can't connect, I find it hard to believe that there are 2 of me;
1. My physical Self
2. My spiritual Self

Now my physical self does not want to reincarnate again. I've had it with this planet, I don't want to come back. Sad to say that? Yes, but I'm serious.

Now if my "TRUE- SELF" wanted to come here to experience and I can't remember because I'm disconnected and probably never will be reconnected, then how the hell and I to believe that there is such thing as free will.

Do you know how sickening it is to me to learn of everyone elses enlightenment's and astral travel and to want to experience it myself, but nothing works. I feel no energy, I can't relax.

Also, what is the sense of loving someone if you are separated at death and carnate into another body?

I find the free will concept very hard to believe. I want what I want, but my true self wants different?

This is what really really really aggravates me to no end and I want to explode. Now granted, I've only been meditating for a month, if that, but how long does it take before I have the ******* answers to the questions that have been gnawing at my stomach since my inception on this planet. Yeah I'm mad, very angrily ticked off type of mad dammit

Kevin

[Telos]

As it is; you did choose to be here.

How do you know this? I assume you mean "here" as in the physical world. Please don't dodge the question. Were you raised thinking this way, did you have an experience, do you know by reason, or do you "just know?" What is your support?

As it is; that is a very convoluting and presumptuous statement. Don't you think he knows more about his own choices than you do?

[CaCoDeMoN]

How do you know this? I assume you mean "here" as in the physical world. Please don't dodge the question. Were you raised thinking this way, did you have an experience, do you know by reason, or do you "just know?" What is your support?

As it is; that is a very convoluting and presumptuous statement. Don't you think he knows more about his own choices than you do?

I think that it's just a dogma that can't be proved, like heaven and other concepts... Also what if the "higer self" is only the mental construction, or other, independent entity?

[saria_vo]

knucklebrain1970, your post so resonates with me, I registered just to reply...

Ok, Reincarnation. Supposedly, I chose to be here. Right?

That's what they say, unfortunately

Well since I'm so disconnected with my true self, and no matter what method I try I can't connect, I find it hard to believe that there are 2 of me;
1. My physical Self
2. My spiritual Self

I find it hard to believe too...in fact, I don't believe it.  How can I be in 2 places at once, and one that I can never remember or go back to?? To me, there's just no point to be both 'up there' and 'down here' at the same time.

Now my physical self does not want to reincarnate again. I've had it with this planet, I don't want to come back. Sad to say that? Yes, but I'm serious.

Amen!  You and me both!  I can't stand this place, I NEVER want to come back. I love my family and friends, and the earth is beautiful, but it's just not worth it going through this rat-race of a life.

Now if my "TRUE- SELF" wanted to come here to experience and I can't remember because I'm disconnected and probably never will be reconnected, then how the hell and I to believe that there is such thing as free will.

I do believe in free will, as I'm free to do whatever I like here..I can break laws, I can adhere to them.  I can go to work today, I can stay home.  I can make money and have a home, or I can be homeless.  I can go left or right...you get the idea. The thing that hits home for me is where you say "I can't remember" because that's the most frustrating thing for me.  Why on earth can't I remember the mistakes I've made before, the things I've done before so I can correct them??  How do I know I don't keep doing the same damn stupid stuff over and over and over...it's gotten to the point where I'm wishing for annihilation when I die...total nothingness, my personality wiped out, nothing after the brain dies, the perfect materialist view. What's the point to keep coming back if I can't fix things??

Do you know how sickening it is to me to learn of everyone elses enlightenment's

Hey!  "Everyone"? Certainly not!  Fughettabout it man, I'm in the same boat you are!  And don't always believe it when people tell you they are 'enlightened'. There are stages to everything. Supposedly, from some of the reading I've done it's an endless cycle and once you get to the top...if you ever do...you do it all again because you have ... eternity. At this point, IMHO being eternal is a horrifying concept.

and astral travel and to want to experience it myself, but nothing works. I feel no energy, I can't relax.

Meditation takes a looong long time to get right.  I've been doing it for months and some days I just can't sit still for more than 5 minutes It's long hard work.  I've mellowed with age so I find I can let things go more in a mental/emotional sense, but physically it's very hard for me to relax.  I always find my eyebrows pinched, or my hands tense or my shoulders tight. How people can sit or lie there like a floppy ragdoll I have no clue.  And no, I don't get any energy out of meditation either. Astral travel is something I never tried on purpose and I had a dream only once that I walked out of my apartment and into the hallway and didn't set off the house alarm. I don't know if people would consider that astral travel or an OBE.  Not that it was a very important or life-changing experience...I don't know what the point would be of purposefully trying to do either of those things, of how it would make my life better, or anyone else's.

Also, what is the sense of loving someone if you are separated at death and carnate into another body?

Supposedly, your loved ones go with you on the journey to earth. There's separation at earthly death, but reunion in the afterlife and then you all go back to do it again.

I find the free will concept very hard to believe. I want what I want, but my true self wants different? This is what really really really aggravates me to no end and I want to explode. Now granted, I've only been meditating for a month, if that, but how long does it take before I have the ******* answers to the questions that have been gnawing at my stomach since my inception on this planet. Yeah I'm mad, very angrily ticked off type of mad dammit

I agree with you wholeheartedly!  What's my purpose?  What am I supposed to be doing? Is there really a continuation of consciousness after death? What's the deal with spirit guides; do we all really have them or is that just a 'comfort blanket' to help people deal with life's miseries? All these questions and no answers...it's like a huge endless cosmic joke.

[Veccolo]

So, my higher self chose the way of my life before incarnating. Hm. Yet there is the theory of no-time. Ok. This means my higher self didn't chose anything before incarnating here, because no time = no before. Welcome free willl. Wait! I could as well be the imagination of my higher self. Hm. But no time, no space. Because of that my higher self is it's own imagination, which would be me. My higher self is said to have free will. Because I'm the imagination of my higher self, which is it's own imagination, which is me, I have free will.

Now I don't believe in a higher aspect of myself. This means the imagination of the higher self, which is me, which is the higher self, doesn't believe in itself. And, at the same time, I believe that what is me is only what's here on earth. Therfore the higherself, which is the imagination, which is me, believes it's only what's here on earth. So my higher self only believes that it's what's here on earth. So my higherself is not the higher self, but it's me, here on earth.

Wait! If my higher self doesn't believe in it's existance, I don't believe in my existance. Then who the heck wrote this nonsense?

[Telos]

But, Veccolo, our higher selves are actually manifestations of the same Higher God Self. So because you chose to incarnate yourself here, that necessarily means that I also chose you to be incarnated. And so did everyone else you meet. So you can thank us for your existence!

Lucky for You, since Our Higher Self exists independent of time, You've already thanked Yourself for Your own existence. And in fact, You're constantly thanking Yourself. Necessarily, others are also thanking You for Their existence as well.

[Veccolo]

Then I thank myself and you, Vectelos!

[LittleNinja]

Hi everyone

I like this thread.

Here are my thoughts on the subject (well, kind of):

This was something i wrote to my friend a few weeks ago.

Hey this reminded me of a revelation i had recently. I don't know if this is correct or not but it feels like it to me.  Well you know about 'free will' right?  From all the reading's that i've read and from what other people said about free will, they usually say that we have choices in life to shape our future; to make anything of our life of how we want it.  Well, for me, yes i think we have 'free will' to a certain extent, but life also has to move on.  I believe that in order for us to learn certain lessons in life, there are things that are in placed for us to follow.  Yes you have the free will to quit that path (meaning suicide) or continue with that path.  And maybe we have 'free will' to shape ourselves and decide how to react to a certain situation and buying anything we want in that particular life time.  And even before that, maybe we have decided to set a certain road map before coming into this life (free will). But once you are in that life that you have set for yourself, you don't really have that free will.  Yes you are playing in a free willed playground that you have created becuase of the choices you made before entering into this life, but upon entering, you are playing a scripted story. It is pretty much like playing a game.  Super Mario for example, you can ride the Yoshi how many times you want, you can jump how many times you would like,  you can go back and forth between the levels as many times as you want, It doesnt' matter how long you play the game or stall the game, but ultimately, you will reach the ending.  We are living in a scripted world that we have created for ourselves, and that in itself is the lack of free will.  Once we get out of this 3D program (going to 4D, 5D, etc.) we will have more free will but only until death do we have the ultimate freedom that is called 'free will'.  Now.. now... i'm not trying to tell you that you should go commit suicide to achieve 'free will'.  That would defeat the purpose of learning the lessons needed learned.

As you can see, I really do think we have free will.  It's just that we used most of our free will to create our 'life plan' before coming here.  When we are here, it doesn't seem like we have much free will because we are playing out a 'plan'.

knucklebrain1970

Well since I'm so disconnected with my true self, and no matter what method I try I can't connect, I find it hard to believe that there are 2 of me;
1. My physical Self
2. My spiritual Self

Well... it may be difficult but we can try to use some simple clues that we "know" to understand a little bit better.  Let us begin by asking a few questions.  Do we (you) know if astral projection exists? (Personally, i have had an out of body experience before, so i know it exists.)  Have we (you) heard of people recounting their experiences of looking at their bodies when they were out of their bodies? (yes for me)  Now think about it for a few seconds.  What are your thoughts?  We don't have to assume right away that there is a "spiritual self," but we must assume that there is some kind of aspect of ourselves out there other than just our physical self.  Why?  Because we have many people saying that they SAW their bodies.  How can that have happened if all we have are our physical self?  

Now my physical self does not want to reincarnate again. I've had it with this planet, I don't want to come back. Sad to say that? Yes, but I'm serious.

Yeah i know what you mean.  We can get discouraged of our lives sometimes, and just want to quit.  But you know what?  Let's just assume that we have another aspect of our selves that have the whole collective consciousness of all of our lives experience.  Our other 'selves' might know what is good for us, whereas our physical selves is limited to the 3D perception and do not grasp fully of the good and the bad .  This could be why people reincarnate; their other selves (not physical selves) decided for the benefit of themselves (and everyone else).

These are just some things i believe anyway.  I dont' know what other people think.

Well, I hope people understand what i'm saying.  I'm not really good with words.  My thoughts are so messy.

Love, Peace, and Cheers,
LittleNinja

PS everyone should listen to Damien Rice's music.  It's amazing, and has nothing to do with this.  

[Veccolo]

I think that it's just a dogma that can't be proved, like heaven and other concepts... Also what if the "higer self" is only the mental construction, or other, independent entity?

I totally agree. None of those concepts can be proven, not even to oneself. Experiences (wich many see as definite evidence) are nice, but they don't prove such concepts at all. They prove that something is experienced, but the experience itself doesn't necessarily reflect what's actually there. Just like in the story with the blind men and the elephant.

So in the case of reincarnation: Someone has an experience in which he remembers a past life (let's say the name of the person, where he lived, when etc.). He tries to verify this informations and succeeds. Everything correct. So, did he remember his past life? That's one explanation. Another would be that he got the informations from the collective unconcsiousness, which holds every memory of every past and present human being. So we now have two explanations for the same phenomenon, but we don't know which one applies. In the end the person doesn't know if reincarnation exists or not.

Let's say the person above chooses to believe in the past life.

Now, another person has another experience. Let's say, she meets god. So she meets god, who is an old geezer with a kilometer long beard who emanates unconditional love (which cannot be faked, or so they say) and what not. So, this old man grants the woman one question. She asks "Does reincarnation exists?". He says no, and the experience ends. Now we have an experience which contradicts the belief of the first person.

And the moral of the story is? You only have personal proof that you experienced something. However, those experiences cannot be definite proof for concept A, when considering the fact that other people may have experiences which "prove" concept B, but contradict concept A. Experiences can also not be definite proof for something when there are other valid explanations which you can't rule out.

I don't understand why people believe in such concepts like reincarnation etc. at all, then.

[Nostic]

Ok, Reincarnation. Supposedly, I chose to be here. Right? Well since I'm so disconnected with my true self, and no matter what method I try I can't connect, I find it hard to believe that there are 2 of me;
1. My physical Self
2. My spiritual Self

Now my physical self does not want to reincarnate again. I've had it with this planet, I don't want to come back. Sad to say that? Yes, but I'm serious.

Now if my "TRUE- SELF" wanted to come here to experience and I can't remember because I'm disconnected and probably never will be reconnected, then how the hell and I to believe that there is such thing as free will.

Do you know how sickening it is to me to learn of everyone elses enlightenment's and astral travel and to want to experience it myself, but nothing works. I feel no energy, I can't relax.

Also, what is the sense of loving someone if you are separated at death and carnate into another body?

I find the free will concept very hard to believe. I want what I want, but my true self wants different?

This is what really really really aggravates me to no end and I want to explode. Now granted, I've only been meditating for a month, if that, but how long does it take before I have the ******* answers to the questions that have been gnawing at my stomach since my inception on this planet. Yeah I'm mad, very angrily ticked off type of mad dammit

Kevin

What I can say is that with time, practice, and persistence, things start to become clearer and clearer. If some piece of information does not resonate with you, that's OK. If you try to think it all out logically, it's never going to fit together perfectly. Logic always leads to the illogical. It must because logic is based on duality- that is, a system in which everything is defined by opposing principles. If dualism, and therefore logic start with the premise of opposition, Truth cannot be found within them. Truth has no opposition- it just  IS. It is whole, perfect, and complete. Think of logic more like a path rather than a destination. It can never satisfy you for long, because eventually, it's bound to contradict itself.

In science we see how physics (the logical) leads to quantum physics (the seemingly illogical). So even science tells us that we have to go beyond the logical in order to move closer to Truth.

It's not so important that you believe in this or that or whatever. What's is of the utmost importance is an open mind and a thirst for growth and knowledge. Meditative practice can definitely take a long time before you see real practical benefits, but you must be persistent. You must have the mind-set that you WILL attain what you most desire, and that NOTHING is going to stop you. Practice every day without fail. It all adds-up to something, believe me. Never take for granted your small accomplishments. Acknowledge and celebrate EVERY millimeter of progress that you make.

If you can't imagine some great being out there somewhere that's supposed to be your higher self, just bring it down to a human level. Within everyones mind can be found what you might call "higher thoughts" and "lower thoughts". The ego can be defined by it's attachments to those "lower thoughts". The ego is not necessarily your enemy- think of it more like a spoiled child- it is always restless, complaining, never satisfied, and always wants change, but is rarely willing to make much of an effort in order to achieve that change- ESPECIALLY if that change doesn't seem "logical". I think it's very important to point-out your ego whenever it makes trouble. In regards to my meditative practice, there are many times when my ego whines and complains, telling me to give-up, that the process is taking too long etc etc etc. But there is a "higher" part of me that is always calm, patient, and wise- it just says, stay calm, be still, and keep doing what you're doing. When your ego is whining and complaining, objectify it. Think of it as a spoiled child that is a part of you, but not nearly all of you. It is something that you have purely for the sake of survival, so all it is interested in is base-level experience. You must be like a  parent with a steady resolve. This world is so very messed-up, I believe, because instead of seeing the ego as just a part of us, we take it to be totality of us. So we have a world of people being lead by their base child-selves.

As you practice daily, in time, things will inevitably make more and more sense. You become more confident in what you believe and in what you know you can achieve. Boundaries will start breaking down and a wider reality will begin to open-up for you. The key is to be relentless in your search for Truth. If what people tell you about Truth does not satisfy you, that is OK. It is something for you to know and experience for yourself; something that must come from within and resonate with you at your core.

Proving things to people, or having them prove things to you... really, that is not very important. All that matters is you achieving wholeness and fulfillment within yourself. When that happens, you can't help but be a benefit to others, weather they believe the words that come out of your mouth or not.

[CaCoDeMoN]

I do believe in free will, as I'm free to do whatever I like here..I can break laws, I can adhere to them. I can go to work today, I can stay home. I can make money and have a home, or I can be homeless. I can go left or right...you get the idea. The thing that hits home for me is where you say "I can't remember" because that's the most frustrating thing for me. Why on earth can't I remember the mistakes I've made before, the things I've done before so I can correct them?? How do I know I don't keep doing the same damn stupid stuff over and over and over...it's gotten to the point where I'm wishing for annihilation when I die...total nothingness, my personality wiped out, nothing after the brain dies, the perfect materialist view. What's the point to keep coming back if I can't fix things??

What if life is like in Franz Kafka's "The Trial"?

[knucklebrain1970]

Awesome replies guys. As for the astral projection, I've had sleep paralysis and the vibrations about 200x in my life. I never really understood what it was until I got here, now of course they've stopped. Imagine that ha? What gets to me most of all is the game. Why the ***k the game? Why? I know there is my physical body and my true self, spirit, energy, whatever you want to call it. I believe that. I just can't  understand the concept that I chose to be here. I hate Earth. I will not choose to love it either. I am learning slowly to love all people, but I CAN NOT STAND THE RAT RACE. I'M SO DONE. If I did not have a wife or child (who doesn't live with me) I'd check out so fast. I'm not depressed either. I just want answers dammit, and I shouldn't have to meditate for 20 years for it. It's not right. That's where I get ticked off. It shouldn't be a game, but it is. I will never adapt. I will continue to meditate, though the results are slower than the days go by at my miserable job. I do not believe the reincarnation concept is fair. I do believe it, but I don't like it. I wish I was like my dad and his single statement to sum up humanity.

"when you die your dead and that's it, done"  

I wish I could willingly adopt that concept

Kevin

[LittleNinja]

I just want answers dammit, and I shouldn't have to meditate for 20 years for it. It's not right. That's where I get ticked off.

Who said that you have to meditate for 20 years?  Who said you have to meditate in general?  I don't meditate at all (well, I've tried a few times but most of those times i ended wanting to go to sleep instead ), and i'm perfectly content with that. Enlightenment to me is not about forcing yourself to do something you don't want to do, it is about learning to accept/love/understand reality: about yourself, about the world, and about everything else that seems to be revolving around you.  After all, this is your life. You should enjoy it.

There are other methods to attain the truth that you seek; just like there are many other paths reaching the top of a mountain.  The method that i used in subsitution of the meditation is by just going through life as usual, and just think about all the things that had happened, is happening, and will happen to me; about the people, about their reactions.  Then i delve deeper into it.  Why did that happen? Why did he acted that way? How come they are mad?  Happy? Sad?  The more you question and explore the world, the more "fulfilled" you become.   You gain understanding, wisdom, and then you will be able to answer the question about life and why you chose to be here, this place, right now.  But before trying to understand others, you must KNOW your self.  This is because the world around you is shaped by your  own perception.  What you feel, what you think you know, and what you thought as good could be totally opposite of what someone else might think.   You can get to KNOW yourself by doing the same thing i showed you about reflecting upon other people and events.  Why am i mad at her?  Why does this happen to me?  Is what i am doing really me?  Continue with it and you will have a lot of control over your emotions, and you'll become more empathetic as a side effect.  Once you KNOW yourself, you will be able to understand others more.  Everything will begin fitting together like pieces of puzzle.  Though, you won't easily get all the pieces but you will have some that fit just enough for you to have a little concept of it.  

In truth, no one can answer your questions, only you can.  You may not get the right answer, but you won't get the wrong answer either because in your reality, it is true to you.  The thing is, you will get your "own" truth.

I wish I could willingly adopt that concept

If only life was that easy.

I think your decision in not willingly adopt to that concept is awesome.  I mean, why should we give up so easily?  Why not search for the truth, and decide for ourselves?  That would be much more fun and worthwhile in my opinion.

Do you know how sickening it is to me to learn of everyone elses enlightenment's

I want to address this quote.  I don't think we should care whether or not that someone else is 'enlightened.'  This is our life.  Our main focus is on us.  Everybody will become enlightened when they are enlightened.  Then again, not everyone who called themselves enlightened are "enlightened."

I am learning slowly to love all people, but I CAN NOT STAND THE RAT RACE. I'M SO DONE.

Yeah loving other people is good.  You are making great progress, so don't give up so easily.

I just can't understand the concept that I chose to be here.

Relax, we will know the truth someday.


Love  & Peace
w/ LittleNinja

[LittleNinja]

I just wanted to add something.  Meditation is not required for spirituality.  It is used mostly to "enhance" someone's psychic abilities (ie. astral projection, telepathy, aura seeing, etc).   Just some clarification.

Have a great day everyone.


Cheers
w/ LittleNinja

[Qaz_Azaran]

I think I can answer the question about why we forget. There are two big reasons. The first is so we don't get weighed down by stupid things we've done in the past. If you had clear memories of a life where you were a serial killer it could be extremely difficult to not feel overly guilty about that and go on with your life. Not to mention picking up old bad habits and personality traits.

The second reason is that life is a journey. We are here to learn and to grow, and one of the most powerful motivations for growth is the search for answers. If you already know the answers you don't search and that can easily lead to stagnation. Remember, life is hard, sometimes it sucks. But, that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And sometimes, that which does kill you makes you stronger too.

From what I've been able to find, there isn't too much spiritual progress that can happen in the spirit world because it is a very peaceful understanding place. On a physical level you don't get stronger without exercise, without tearing down the muscle so your body forms new muscle. The same idea applies on a spiritual level. The tearing down and harshness of the world lead to development and strength.

[You]

As I know so little about reincarnation, I will instead offer a humourous statement I came up with.

"Never beat a dead horse, you could be beating your next child."

Not entirely funny... I couldn't think how to word it right, and it only works if you think you can live past lives as animals and not solely humans as I'm sure some may think.

[sweetbliss]

Now my physical self does not want to reincarnate again. I've had it with this planet, I don't want to come back. Sad to say that? Yes, but I'm serious.

Now if my "TRUE- SELF" wanted to come here to experience and I can't remember because...

You see, you can't 'remember'... there is a particular awareness that there is something to be remembered, a part of you that is watching form outside...
Sometimes we are just left in a particular situation which implies a lower level of awareness than our capacities, especially because we are able to make this experience: that there is no fall, that we rise from within with no other help... Sometimes angels (take this as a convention, or as a symbol for a particular type of helping persons or happenings)... so sometimes they interfere in our life, other times they are allowing us of to be what we are. They let us fall, so to say... lol
and then we fall and discover that there has never been such a peace and satisfaction in our existence, since we remember. Then we relax.

Also, what is the sense of loving someone if you are separated at death and carnate into another body?

Who says that you are not going to meet that person dear to you in other lives, too? Maybe your wife and child are old family members or good friends to you.

I find the free will concept very hard to believe. I want what I want, but my true self wants different?

Who does not believe   , your true self or the physical self? The true self contains/is your entire being and existence, there is no duality at that dimension of conscience, the physical is one of the interfaces (you see, I managed to learn a bit about computers   ) of the true, complete self.
This duality between true and physical is a product of the right parasympathetic. To be conscious of what we are, the awareness has to be distributed on both left and right parasympathetic (which are complementary) and on the central nervous system, which keeps the two in balance.
If we are too much on the right, being too much active or creating etc., the complete self (which is always aware, even though our conscious mind is not connected to it and does nor perceive this) will push us to the left, to keep the balance.
This is the depression: an energy saving and balancing program, designed to compensate the over activity/the activity which is not reported to the integrated self.
It's nothing bad. Important is that you get what you desire, your answers. It's between you and you, there is only one, who else can be in that person? Of course the question rising is 'what are you?'

...how long does it take before I have the ******* answers to the questions that have been gnawing at my stomach since my inception on this planet.

You seem to keep the awareness of a particular free will, which has brought you 'on this planet'. Though this is not so important.


You can try to balance your right Swadhisthana chakra (right lower part of the abdomen), which does not let you relax, giving it vibrations with the left hand. You can ask your Kundalini to get there and dissolve this feeling that you are not one. Don't bother too much to feel something, let it be a time, let that center be nourished.

Some people just know each other from other lives, it's not a matter of logic here, they recognize each other, are to continue things, because of karma of because they are simply enjoying to be in each other's presence a longer time. I suppose you also have meet a few such friends in your life. But at the end, when becoming collective, one can develop this feeling towards any other person.

Wow, now I realize; if we become spontaneously collective, we get rid of this free will burden.


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[sweetbliss]

I hate Earth. I will not choose to love it either. I am learning slowly to love all people...

See, what I say...?

I do not believe the reincarnation concept is fair.

It's fair enough, because it contains in it the fact that it is an illusion. That's why we don't need to "willingly adopt" it, because it is not real. The point is to have the desire/free will (is it the same   ) to let this reality be disclosed.

Have a nice day, Kevin!

[LittleNinja]

What Qaz_Azaran gave, sounded very reasonable.  Who knows, it could be true, but always remember to not accept everything as absolute truth.  In that way, you can have room for any reconfigurations and adjustments to those ideas.

Sweetbliss, you can ask your kundalini?  I thought you can use the kundalini energy only when it has been activated?

See what i mean?

Oh and Sweetbliss, you've got mighty fine computer skills with all your technical talks.

Wonderful days everyone. Wonderful days.

Love & Peace
w/ Littleninja

[sweetbliss]

...you can ask your kundalini?  I thought you can use the kundalini energy only when it has been activated?

Hey, Littleninja!   How is it then that there is no need for meditation, that things come up spontaneously, that we just go further with our life..., introspect a bit in the process...?  

'See what i mean? '

You can talk to Kundalini, because she is part of the conscience that has created you and is leading you further to Self realization. Our conscious mind might not perceive her, but she perceives everything our entire being is doing. You can talk to her as you can talk to your inner child, or to your guardian angel etc. Basically it happens like this in any circumstances we desire to address the unconscious, like prayers... Or, when we chose to live as you describe, we surrender to the unconscious, I believe.

Kundalini is so easy to awaken today, because the collective Kundalini has been awakened at the beginning of the '70; that's what they are calling a paradigm shift and that's why so many people are giving so much importance to spiritual seeking. According to older people, it was not like this before. Even Jung said that this seeking has been increasing from one generation to the other from the beginning of the last century.

So I believe that meditation is needed, because it helps us going through this process of transformation more smoothly, but the growth can also  be very natural, as you describe it.

Though, there are times at which it can become so abrupt that one feels like dying if he/she is not giving it the entire attention. It happened to me a few years ago, and it is like nothing can give any satisfaction or comfort, that it is the end, that you would stay your whole life the head down (I use to think like this, because it was the most horrible and uncomfortable thing I could imagine   ) only to get that state. I don't even remember where I had heard about it (maybe past life spiritual experience, I don't know), important was that it was the only thing my heart would want. Like anything else had disappeared and there were no support left.

But the nice point is that, if you lose any support and desire for any particular thing, but a kind of indefinite desire is still there (and this in the Kundalini), this experience of loss is the most comforting thing. It's like taking matter away from you. It is in a way like dying and starting life as a new person. For me was not a point in time, either I haven't heard of many such persons, it is gradual, and meditation can help.

(Now, I'm not pretending that I have remained in that state, it would be great, but still it's always good to remember.
Oh, and it's not something boring, sometime we think it must be boring. Actually it amplifies much both perceptions and involvement in the "struggles of life" lol.)

Wonderful days to you too.

Love & Peace
Ana-Maria

[sweetbliss]

...that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And sometimes, that which does kill you makes you stronger too.

From what I've been able to find, there isn't too much spiritual progress that can happen in the spirit world because it is a very peaceful understanding place. On a physical level you don't get stronger without exercise, without tearing down the muscle so your body forms new muscle. The same idea applies on a spiritual level. The tearing down and harshness of the world lead to development and strength.

Thanks!

[knucklebrain1970]

Welp, like I always say, your as dead now as you'll ever be. I wish I could understand or feel this energy everone speaks of. How long does it take?

Kevin

[LittleNinja]

Sweetbliss

Hey, Littleninja!  How is it then that there is no need for meditation, that things come up spontaneously, that we just go further with our life..., introspect a bit in the process...?

Well i believe that meditation is not needed because we can still become enlightened even by living our normal lives, just as long as we put some thoughts to all our actions and other people's action.  Sure, i know what i just described seems as if it's some kind of meditation, but it's not.  When we introspect within ourselves or doing any retrospection, we don't have to be super relax or having our minds cleared of any thoughts.  It's just, basically, thinking about the things we/they did, do, or will be doing.  We can think about it anytime we want; in the rain, in a traffic jam, at a carnival.  With introspection/restropection, it is instantaneous.  

Meditation, like you said, can "smoothen" the ride a bit and help us understand better, but it is not the absolute necessity.  I have said before that there are many paths or roads up the mountain reaching the final destination: enlightenment.  We can go on the rough road, smooth road, curvey road, straight road, etc.  It is up to us to decide what suits us best.  Only we know because this is our LIFE.

Also, what i described above about introspection/retrospection is not the only way to attain enlightenment.  There are probably some easier ways. (From what i've experienced so far, it feels like 'life' isn't that complicated.  I'm beginning to believe that 'life' is very simple. It is as if we are only making things difficult on ourselves.  Example?  Astral projection.)

Though, there are times at which it can become so abrupt that one feels like dying if he/she is not giving it the entire attention. It happened to me a few years ago, and it is like nothing can give any satisfaction or comfort, that it is the end, that you would stay your whole life the head down (I use to think like this, because it was the most horrible and uncomfortable thing I could imagine  ) only to get that state.

Interesting..... recently i've just got out of a long depression (sort of).  It wasn't that i was depressed.  It was more like feeling....."numb; emotionless; couldn't careless" of everything around me.  yeah, i do help people when i had the chance, and i do laugh when someone tells me a joke, but all those things were automatic to me.  I didn't help people because i wish them well but because it was my duty.  I laughed at the jokes not because it was funny, but it was courtesy.  I'm still recovering from the depression.  Currently i'm taking up learning how to play a guitar, and so far, it is great.

knucklebrain1970

Welp, like I always say, your as dead now as you'll ever be.

knucklebrain1970, if you are refering to dead as 'constrained; limited', then i agree with you.  Living on this 3d reality, we are very much limited to a lot of things.  It is here that life is dull (well, it's not really dull, but if you were to compare it with other realities, then it is the most......dead). But if you are refering to dead as 'what will happen to you after you die' then i disagree.  When we die, we will become more free, and life then will be more interesting.  The 'dead' here won't be the same 'dead' as when we die. (Sorry that it feels like what i'm saying to you is absolute.  It is not.  Remember to just absorb the things that you "Feel" intuitively is right.)

I wish I could understand or feel this energy everone speaks of. How long does it take?

I'm not sure if i've felt that energy before, so don't feel bad if you didn't.  The reason i know about the kundalini energy is because of my research on astral projection and other metaphysical stuff that i stumbled upon it.

My love to everybody (and this is for reals, it is not the depression making me do it) LOL

Love & Peace
w/ LittleNinja