dark magic

electronic pulse · June 30, 2005, 11:49:23

3 days ago i was training with energy when suddenly i couldn't do anything i felt a deep darkness inside me and i have realized that its a black magic i found the sowers : it was a little boy that i don't know.... the feeling was very scary all my energy has gone..... i don't know what that boy wanted from me but it was really hard to get rid of him maybe it's because a year ago i was training in black magic and a few month's ago i had a little deal with a demon (the deal is off now)
what I'm trying to say is................ don't mess with dark magic!!!

OrionsDream · July 02, 2005, 18:30:34

Dark magic should not be deemed 'evil' magick. Theres shouldnt be a 'good' and 'bad'. Is it evil if a shark eats a fish?
To us it would seem cruel if they killed a dolphin for food. But it is how they live. It is not evil, it is not right.

Dark magick has its own purposes, and ppl should know the outcome. I think dark magick usually has what we would call 'evil' outcomes, but that is the purpose of the magick. If that 'evil' outcome is ultimetly used for a 'positive' outcome, or what you wanted, it has served its purpose.
Sadly, most ppl don't know the consequences of dark magick. I dont totally, so yeah good idea, messin around with dark magick is a baaaaaaaaaad idea.

electronic pulse · July 11, 2005, 12:18:43

please some one else?

Wizard of Light · July 11, 2005, 20:00:12

Hi electronic pulse,

I feel that you need to fill us in on this black magic stuff that you did prior to now, I am feeling that this is likely the key.

Have you been doing much magic work since then? Or is it only recently you started practicing some form of magic/energy work again?

The interesting thing is, you make a deal with something like a demon and they don't tend to just go away - whether or not the bargain was called off.

Do you do much protection work/Psychic self defense?

Astralwych · July 11, 2005, 22:32:27

Don't worry I don't MESS with black magic like you.

I take it seriously, something you should seriously do. No offense.

electronic pulse · July 13, 2005, 06:04:07

i have removed that demon away off me, and yes i am doing allot psychic defense and no i haven't one magic work from then.

CaCoDeMoN · July 13, 2005, 10:48:10

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i have removed that demon away off me, and yes i am doing allot psychic defense and no i haven't one magic work from then.

If you've removed it then it was not a real demon.

electronic pulse · July 13, 2005, 11:39:12

why he wasn't a real demon?

CaCoDeMoN · July 13, 2005, 11:58:27

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why he wasn't a real demon?

Only typical negative entities can be removed easily. One person described his problems with demon on this forum(Psychic Self Defense section)

electronic pulse · July 15, 2005, 07:27:10

Only typical negative entities can be removed easily

i didn't say that i have removed him easily

CaCoDeMoN · July 15, 2005, 15:01:01

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i didn't say that i have removed him easily

By "easily" I meant "before it will destroy your life completely, will corrupt your soul and irreversibly harm your mind".

IC · July 21, 2005, 04:03:39

But doesn't it depend on HOW you use black magick? (can it be used for *positive* purposes?)

Wizard of Light · July 21, 2005, 23:16:48

Really there is no "black" or "white" magic, only magic. So of course you can use it for positive things!

All too many people get hung up on having to create all too many labels for things. MAGIC is MAGIC.

-Alex- · July 22, 2005, 13:20:58

Good point, it's all about how YOU use the magic.

monicat777 · July 31, 2005, 15:09:19

Dark and Light both have to exist for either to exist. (u know what I mean) That is universal law. Yin Yang bla bla.

I personally think it is unwise not to be familiar with both.

When it comes to curses and things of that nature...you need to be really certain what you are doing and you have to be willing to accept the consequences. I have found that if you don't keep your will focused for an astoundingly long period of time....Whatever energy you've put out there will come spiraling back to you....it's closest source. It's a fire that has to be fed or it will consume you. Does this make sense to anyone??
Even if you do it for justice, you have to expect to be judged, by the same measure and punished as severely.

If you use any darker ritual and don't stay focused until the end and then bind it, you gonna' pay! LOL It is walking a tight rope. So to anyone attempting darker works, their is validity to it....I think you should be familiar with all. But, educate yourself and take responsibility. Be prepared. It's not like some cookie cutter make bobby like me thing. You are messing with the will of others. And don't forget not to play karma police cause everybody has a little of that waiting around the corner. Im out! LOL
-monicat

Wizard of Light · July 31, 2005, 22:08:04

I agree that there is dark and light in everything, one cannot exist without the other.

Understand that EVERYTHING that one single person does, affects every other person in the universe. We are energy, affecting the energy around us, which affects the energy around that which affects the energy around that, ect (you get the picture). We do a lot without even realising the affect we are truly having.

So, we do need to understand magic as a whole, to have any concept of what we are sending out and what that in turn might do, and what that in turn might cause to happen to us on its return. And believe me when I say it does return. Energy is like a boomerang - it goes out there and does what it needs to and then returns with whatever that energy has attracted.

As for "darker ritual" requiring more concentration, I ask you why? Is it because when you stuff it up the effects are more noticeable because you have sent something malicious out there rather than something pleasant? Both require equal concentration, we are just less likely to notice anything nasty happen to us if, for example, Sally gets our healing energy rather than Jessica!

monicat777 · August 01, 2005, 00:54:01

Well you know you can send good out there and all is fine and well if you don't continue to stay focused. You can just lose yourself in the realities of everyday life.

It's like having a good dog or a sinister monstrosity for a pet. A good dog will lay down and behave and know when the day is done.

A sinister monstrosity will wait for you to fall into a deep sleep and then rip your face off. You have to watch it and be mindful of it constantly, and be self-assured in who is boss. Until you remove it from your presence.

Wizard of Light · August 01, 2005, 07:02:42

I'm sorry but you can mess things around just by not staying focused for ANY kind of magic. It is just that you can mess things around MORE when it comes to the "darker ritual".

You might think that it doesn't hurt for the lighter-type of magic to go off on the wrong direction because of a lack of concentration, but lets take my previous example, where Sally gets the healing rather than Jessica. Sally might not be ready to face the issues that she has in her life. Having these issues thrown in her face from the magic we have done, may cause her headaches, nightmares, depression, and if her stuff being thrust in front of her face is too bad for her to cope with, she may even get to a point where she commits suicide. What kind of energy does that bring back to us??

monicat777 · August 03, 2005, 11:26:01

I really don't follow....

Wisdom and experience is what matters.
If you can't send someone positive, healing energy....without it coming back to bite you in the butt then IMO, don't quit your dayjob! LOL

Wizard of Light · August 04, 2005, 01:59:21

Of course you can send someone positive magic, my point is that it still takes just as much concentration as any other type of magic. We shouldn't just take an "it doesn't matter" type of attitude just because you class it as "white magic". There is consequence to everything.

My example was, of course, an extreme one, but this is the type of responsibility we take on when we do any kind of energy work.

Sophi · August 05, 2005, 12:22:11

Quote from: electronic pulse3 days ago i was training with energy when suddenly i couldn't do anything i felt a deep darkness inside me and i have realized that its a black magic i found the sowers : it was a little boy that i don't know.... the feeling was very scary all my energy has gone..... i don't know what that boy wanted from me but it was really hard to get rid of him maybe it's because a year ago i was training in black magic and a few month's ago i had a little deal with a demon (the deal is off now)
what I'm trying to say is................ don't mess with dark magic!!!

Nah, I think YOU shouldn't mess with dark magic. (:

electronic pulse · August 08, 2005, 09:42:43

OMG I just can't believe that 20 people actually answered me thank you lol

bloodsong · August 13, 2005, 01:16:17

Actually it seems that four people answered you, two of those got into a personal shouting match and blurred the topic instead of taking it into IM.

J.M.O.

Just My Opinion

Bloodsong

Tara Star · August 15, 2005, 08:48:10

I agree completely. Sloppy magick of any kind is a bad idea. It always takes concentration and knowing what you are doing to be effective, just like anything else in life, right?

I am afraid I don't buy the "there is no dark magick, it's like sharks" idea at all.

There is totally black and dark magick and it is all about using our free will to choose. A shark can't choose. It just is. But we humans can and do. And for some reason people choose to align themselves with evil.

Black/Dark magick is a choice to stand up with the bad guys. You are consciously choosing evil, the dark side. Dark magicians do this for their own gain, to get what they want, often at the cost to someone else without care of the effects. And that is well.... evil!

Not at all like a shark who is just at the top of the food chain.

As E. Pulse has observed the outcome always sucks. The thing about dark spirits is they always LIE. (He is called the prince of lies after all) and due to the threefold rule (the energy that you send out comes back to three times. Cause and effect really.) you always, always get whacked. Really hard. With a big stick.

Meddling in magick when you don't know what you are doing, or don't really believe in it is a bad idea. Magick is powerful (On either side) and it's easy to get burned. I have seen, known and helped people recover from some really crazy things. Like those who think conjuring demons would be "fun" cuz they don't really believe anything will happen and don't seem to get that demons are truly evil beings whose mission is to destroy humanity.

E. Pulse, if you have really given it up, you should dedicate yourself to the light. If you have written a contract you need to get it back and burn it. If you received the dark baptism and signed a contract, you are pretty much hosed unless you do.

Going really far in the other direction is the best idea. Become a born again something. get rebapstised into the light. You need to practically join a monastery to recover from truly joining a black magic group. (It depends on how deep you got into it..)

And by all means give up all magick and occult activities until you have sorted yourself out.

Many of the charismatic christian groups do something called "deliverance ministry" to help with hard core demon removal and breaking contracts. Try the Pentecostals. The only deal is you have to convert.

The worst thing about this stuff is it has long lasting karmic implications and mess you up not only in this lifetime, but in all your next ones too.

Please make sure that demon is really gone. Often they lurk in the back ground or go dormant only to pop up again if you continue your occult activities.

If you want to know more about demons, read Ed Warren's book, "The Demonologist" (but watch out it, it's SCARY!) or Mcnutt's book "Deliverance from Evil Spirits."

Good luck and stay in the light! It's nicer over here....

electronic pulse · August 15, 2005, 09:47:44

Quote from: Tara Star

E. Pulse, if you have really given it up, you should dedicate yourself to the light. If you have written a contract you need to get it back and burn it. If you received the dark baptism and signed a contract, you are pretty much hosed unless you do.

Going really far in the other direction is the best idea. Become a born again something. get rhapsodized into the light. You need to practically join a monastery to recover from truly joining a black magic group. (It depends on how deep you got into it..)Please make sure that demon is really gone. Often they lurk in the back ground or go dormant only to pop up again if you continue your occult activities.Good luck and stay in the light! It's nicer over here

don't worry i didn't get really far away with the black magic and the demon is 100% gone and I'm already in the lite side
but anyway thank you

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