Astral Projection Card Verification

[Telos]

TVOS, I've been offering my input and I don't mind continuing. It's just that the statistics we're talking about are very basic and disheartening when we can't agree upon them immediately.

My only purpose here is for me to get through this game called life without anyone continually telling me how wrong my belief system is.

How is that not bigoted? Just don't talk to anyone, then. Then you should be happy!

I came to this forum to share experiences that I have had, in hopes that other people may have had them and can possibly shed some light, and make some sense of them.

Selfish reasons, if I may say. You did not mention helping to shed light on the experiences of others, or helping them to make sense of them.

Likewise, it is the definition of bigotry to be partial to your own views while being intolerant of those from others. Good criticism shows a great deal of tolerance, for how else could one be a good critic if she/he was not paying attention or did not carefully consider what a speaker had to say. You condemn what you think you see in others but you apparently ignore it in yourself.

Yet the Non believers tromp all over the 'Mystics' posts to tell us that our experiences are not real.

This seems ignorant! How many non-believers are there in this forum? On the other end of skepticism, how many are there who question what reality actually is? If you would have only particpated in discussion more maybe you would understand the claims made by some people.

I'm not going to tell you your beliefs are absolutely wrong. Even if you say 1 + 1 = 3, I'll say no, that's not right, and ask you to clarify it.

You say Amen to that TVOS! and then you don't help him!

[fliesatnite]

I like the way you edited my post to turn it around and make me seem selfish.  I don't see anywhere in any of my posts where it was all about ME.  But whatever you believe what you will.

[RJA]

One thing to be careful of when caculating statistical chances is that you will invalidate your results if you define your method after the fact.

For example, if your stated goal is to guess what the cards are, including both suit and number, then before you even attempt it you can state that there is a 1/52 chance of correctly identifying the first card and a 1/51 chance of correctly identifying the 2nd card.  Multiply those and you get a 1/2,652 chance of identifying both cards.

However, after the fact if you do not obtain your stated goal and instead redefine your goal you are "moving the goalposts" to fit your results!  If you had stated the objective beforehand to identify the suit of each card properly then your chances would have been 1/16.  

But you can't define your goal after the experiment is over.  If you could then you technically would be successful if you properly identified one as a face card, one not.  And an 8 does look a bit like a three, and well a diamond is the same color as a heart, etc.  

I have tried this experiment before with mixed results, but won't accept my results as verification unless I nail it - number and suit.  Even then, since I'm just using one card I have a 1/52 chance.

That's my take on the statistics of it all.

[Tombo]

Amen

[David Warner]

RJA,

How long did you work with projecting and card verification? IMO, I believe that four more attempts at two cards in different locations will give me enough to go on. Again, as I expressed earlier in my posts, its a dam good start towards validation. This is the closet I've ever reached with experimentation.

Remember, this is the first experiment that I've done with cards, so to at least get the suits correct, and mix up the king and the jack (but the icons being the same) I would say there is success there.

I've been trying for the last few weeks to project and view two new cards and hope. What ever the outcome is, I will accept and will not alter the experiment and tailor it.

I plan to conduct other experiments as well in the near future, but for starters its the step in the right direction.

Tvos

[David Warner]

Second Card Experiment - Up in Smoke!!!

Projected and was at my mom/dads house.

Here's one of the short cuts about the exp.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20247

Secondly, was able to perform the card experiment. Although, this time it was incorrect upon physical verification. I do believe that this was not close to the RTZ as I was successful prior. Still more experiments ahead but the nice thing is that I'm seeing my goals, intent, and objectives unfold while projecting. So in one sense it wasn't a failure but only in verification...

Tvos

[Unison]

hey man the card verification is cool. I think that once you are able to decipher what is in the material while in the astral on a normal basis you will see things for how they are. I havent even obe'd once and you make me jealous just being able to get up oob and go look at the card, who cares if the card is wrong man I just want to get out and. Keep it up bro you got lots of motivation.

[David Warner]

Unison,

Thanks.. its mental and physical work involved with astral projection. I am surprised my intent and desire has gotten me this far. I started this card experiment about 3 months ago and it has taken me this long to remember while projecting. I hope to eventually get better but for now its exciting and fun...

Tvos

[Unison]

Please do me a favor and tell me how you project. Step by step. I want nitty gritty details like high school girls talking smack about someone behind there back. Get it? Be realistic with it and also tell me of any hurdles you have had to conquer along the way. Ive got a few and I want to hear from someone personally what they have hurdled and when it finally made sense. Thx.

[David Warner]

Unison,

Thats a big request..:)

If you've the time, go through my email posts and replies. You can definitely extract some realistic information on what it takes to project (for me) that is.  Its def finitely a lot of mental and physical hard work.  

This card experiment I plan on working at until I reach 8 more attempts. It could take me a year or five, but I plan on keeping up with this.

Tvos

[David Warner]

Ap Friends,

Had another playing card validation attempt. Although, the card differs from the physical to astral there was one interesting fact. The card that I saw in the astral was a King of Hearts but at the time appeared to shift from a heart to a spade and back to the heart. In the physical, the card was 3 of spade black.

To date this has marked my sixth attempt of seeing the playing cards. Although, the first experiment was successful and the other attempts were not, other validations occurred.

Tvos

[David Warner]

Ap Friends,


Thank You on the reading of my experiments with the validation of playing cards. I was a little taken by the side on the first attempt with the conscious and false awakening.

To this date I've been able to conduct on these dates card validations:

07/14/05 - Playing card - validate
08/11/05 - Playing card - non-validate
08/11/05 - Playing card - non-validate but precognition of that day for rain
08/30/05 - Playing card - non-validate
09/18/05 - No playing card - but precog validate of mom going to hospital
09/27/05 - No playing card - but my dog Leroy picked up my prescence
               while oobe and started barking.
10/13/05 - Playing card - non-validate

Even though my success rate was not accurate with the cards, but other validations deffinitely came about. One thing I would like to point out when viewing the cards. The suit or the card number/letter would closely remain the same and not shift. On occassion at times, I would see a slight change from a heart to a spade and back to heart, but it was rare. I would first see the playing card, look at it, look away coupe of times and back at the card where the suit remained the same.

Along with this, here's the break down from 4/27/05 to 10/13/2005 in a
five month period of my rate of projections:

Lucid Dream to Projection: 6 times
False Awakening: 4 times
Conscious Astral Projection (from waking state): 31 times

Its been at least 7 times per month that I'm able to project and this is about one to two times per week. Although, lately little by little its been increasing as I become better skilled in recognizing the trance state.

I've been also monitoring my Food and Sleep stats seeing if there are any trends that make the projection favorable. My higher success rate is deffinitely in the morning which doesn't surprize me, but I'm able to project at other times.

My initial thought on this is to collect a good years worth of data, compile it and review this with the AP board for beginners and experienced. I think by doing this it will at least lay a good fondation of framework for others and better help man/woman kind.

Tvos