Lottery!

[Suigin]

I've considered this before (and am still planning to plan on it) and I've found a couple of very large problems...

First would be actually getting the numbers- reality fluctuations make any kind of reading very difficult, and the numbers need to be exact. Furthermore, you have to be able to remember your projection well enough to keep those exact numbers in your head. You need to have some very good projection skills to get this to work out.

Second would be a problem that comes up in any kind of future-predicting: When you receive information from the future, you are changing the present to something that wasn't in the future you predicted, thereby changing what the future will actually turn out to be. In some cases this isn't a big deal, but with a lottery drawing you're talking about very randomized numbers. In my state, the drawing is done by a large cylinder full of balls bouncing around, and the very slightest shift in pressure would change the numbers. I think someone once made a Theory about this kind of Chaos. I would recommend trying your prediction as close to the drawing time as you can.

You don't have to hit the jackpot to make money, of course, but I wonder if you could get away winning in packages of a thousand at a time constantly without raising some eyebrows.

[Saints]

In my opinion, you can answer the ethical question from a spiritual perspective. As far as the creational texts say (see Genesis "In the Beginning, there was...", and The Song of Creation in the Rig-Veda)"Then was not non-existent nor existent - there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it...": In these two cases, there was nothing, then there was light.  Both, as well as others, are very powerful expressions of pre-post creation. As I stated in an earlier post, if you could reduce all the atoms in the universe to their absolute elemental stuff, all that stuff could fit into a match box.  The universe is held together by a thought.  Whatever it was that removed the darkness {with light} is extending itself outward. This is demonstrates a desire to share. To share itself.  We, as spiritual creatures, inherited its spritual DNA and, in a like manner, need to share.  So to answer your ethical question, yes you must receive the gifts of the source - because it wants to share with you, as much as your vessel (soul) can handle.  Its your job, then, to share the gifts with others.  Don't receive for yourself alone.  That's where people get into trouble (as you sow, so you shall reap).  Channel the Light to others - but in the right (giving/sharing) consciousness. I think the Light wants to give us as much as we can receive. It us who hold back with self limiting questions "should I, could I).  Get beyond the ego (earth guide only) and receive for the purposes of sharing!  This physical universe is 1% of the 100%.  Its temporary, a place to learn and evolve.  What better way to evolve than to acknowledge the Light, recive its bounty, and in a similar manner, channel the energy to others?    

quote:Originally posted by __--nezabaleta--__

Is ethical or unethical use our brain power for to study a profession and gain our lives..?

If there are persons with lower brain capability, that circunstance cannot drive myself into charge of guilty, and lead my life pathway to a poor condition, don't you..?

Then the use of my occult capabilities, is a mean of demonstrate common sense. The ethical or unethical of such a act of proper improvement of richness through remote viewing or astral travel or pendulum dowsing, can be calibrated through the ultimate consequences of such acts: "is for own vanity or hungry of money..?", or otherwise, "looking for the benefit of others..?" Only at death time one can decide if one proceed good or bad.

Robert Bruce has post yet your position about ethic (or loss of it) in the act of to watch in the private life of human beings at physical situation.

As a matter of fact, citizen life has the same quality than jungle life. There and here, the survival of the fittest, is always the main rule.

NEZabaleta

[upstream]

For some reason numbers are very easy to remember in dreams. Also, you could convert them to pictures by memo techniques.

Actually, (don't laugh!) I've made some lame attempts to win the lottery (perhaps 5-8) - without any success. Also, I have been speculate a lot about "event cones" and so on, and come to a conclusion similar to yours, Suigin. Not only time between prediction and draving is seems to be a factor, but also you have to maximalize your distance from the drawing place.

However, the most greater hindrance may come in a forms of regular dreams you can't control. Not only you'll tell about your attempts to your relatives but you'll "broadcast" your changed state in space and time modifliing the future even more than it can be possibe in awake without taking any movements.

You have to pay advance 2% of your av. lottery prize for this information (we will agree on payment method in PM).

Because we will rich...

[smooth]

people talk about going into the FUTURE IN OBE. cant people just look at the lottery and be rich.

[Beero]

It is apparantly very difficult to read writing or numbers using remote viewing.  Also Tim Rifat stated in his book on remote viewing that it would be impossible to correctly remote-view the winning lottery numbers.
willy Sutphen has made a guided CD for this very purpose, I'd be interested in hearing if it's any good or not.
Yours 007

[catmeow]

When I tried this (a couple of months ago) I tried to see the 6 numbers from our national lottery whilst LD/OBE.  I got 6 numbers and put a £1 punt on the lottery.  When I checked the results I found I was nowhere close, though I'd actually got 5 numbers from the Euromillions lottery which was drawn the same weekend.  Apparently I bet on the wrong lottery!  Worth a second try... but I guess I'll have to bet on both lotteries in the future!  Hey they just announced the Euromillions lottery on TV as I sit here... maybe it's a sign!!

catmeow

[paint1]

Two years ago I tried using the new gateway program for this. I would go to focus 12, ask for tonights 6/49 numbers. I never saw numbers, always pictures.For example I would suddenly see a picture of six people running around a corner directly at me. I'd see this for what seemed like a half second. Then I was left trying to remember what I saw and how old they were. The most I ever got right was 4 numbers on several occassions. I finally gave it up.

[Telos]

catmeow, will you elaborate on your experience? I have tried viewing lottery numbers many times but the numbers keep changing. Sometimes they literally manifest as falling apart, upside-down, or spinning wildly.

The closest I ever came was when instead of viewing the numbers I viewed the "balls." I flew upwards from my bed and the balls came at me from below, 2 numbers from the Pick 3... I did not see the third one because I was so startled that they might actually be right. I checked the 2 numbers later and they were right (but not in order, which counts for the Pick 3).

Since then I've just been so nervous... I look for other ways to see the numbers, like on a bulletin board or a sign or something. I even asked people to speak it for me, heh, I even called the operator once and asked her. People tend not to be very cooperative! These other ways fail, in the manners I've described above.

[Beero]

I was trying this morning.  A thought came to me, couldn't we try making the intention of writing the numbers on a paper and pinning it to your wall once they've been announced.  Then, before they've been announced, you could project forward in time and read them off your wall?
Just a thought,
from 007

[catmeow]

Telos, yes of course I'll elabroate... at the time I picked the numbers I simply "guessed" them just as we might do in normal waking life.  At the time, in the LD, I clearly remember thinking "this is ridiculous... all I'm doing is just guessing like I would in normal life".  So I was a bit disappointed with my "technique" so to speak and didn't think it would work.  As you say we kind of expect the numbers to be "shown" to us in some way.  My level of consciousness at the time was basically normal, so it just seemed like regular mental guesswork.

Anyway, when I returned to PWC I wrote the numbers down, even though they were well imprinted in my memory, but I wrote them down all the same.  I picked 6 numbers because our lottery has 6 numbers.  This was on Tuesday morning. So I bought a single ticket for Wednesday's draw and Saturdays draw.  The wednesday draw was a miss.  When I checked the teletext page for Saturday's draw that was a miss too, but on the same teletext page, they gave the numbers for Friday's Euromillions draw (which I'd never heard of).

5 of my 6 numbers matched the main 5 Euromillions numbers.  I don't know how the Euromillions draw works, but there seem to be 5 main numbers and an extra two bonus numbers.  I matched the 5 main numbers, so I guess that would have won something.

I thought it was significant even though it was the wrong lottery because I've tried our lottery a few times and never got anywhere like as close as this to winning anything!

I'm still very unhappy with my technique of just "guessing" and will experiment with some of the ideas you suggested, like getting numbers to reveal themselves...  However, as you're probably aware, reading and observing whilst LD/OBE is troublesome.  I can read things quite easily, but if I then re-read, the words (or numbers) will be different!  I've experimented with this quite a lot, and it's fascinating.  Like reading a street sign, looking away and then looking back again.  The name changes every time.  On one occasion I was watching a clock on the wall, and as I watched it, the hands suddenly jumped into a new position without warning.  The clock was ticking away smoothly and then suddenly the hands would jump!

So if we choose our numbers by observing them, how do we know we've been shown the correct numbers?

Never the less I think it's worth experimenting with....!  I lost interest in picking lottery numbers but this thread has rekindled my interest now....

catmeow

[Telos]

catmeow, thank you! That was fascinating. I never thought of simply "guessing" the numbers while in a dream state. That makes sense for many reasons to me, including the prospect that it would be easier to remember.

I thought it was significant even though it was the wrong lottery because I've tried our lottery a few times and never got anywhere like as close as this to winning anything!

Yes, I agree that it is significant. It would have been less significant, I think, if you had later seen these numbers in a lotto outside of your playable area, like in Asia or something. I find it hard to think that the Euromillions was not even overheard by you at some point in your life. If so, then it may be surfacing to your consciousness now, telling you that you should go for that fish instead.

However, as you're probably aware, reading and observing whilst LD/OBE is troublesome. I can read things quite easily, but if I then re-read, the words (or numbers) will be different!

Yes, exactly. That is why I am unhappy with my reading technique. It's quite unstable. It seems more fascinating to me to experiment by guessing, as you did, which I will now definitely do.

Either way, I'm glad we had this correspondence. I'll let you know of any successes. Until then I wouldn't mind bringing this subject back again sometime later and sharing any new or interesting results.

[catmeow]

Hi Telos

Yeah I was being loose with the term "never heard of".  I'm sure I've heard of the Euromillions lottery in the past, so I'm sure it was in my subconscious, but I've never paid any attention to it and didn't realise we could play the Euromillions here in the UK!  It hadn't registered with me consciously.  It was a genuine surprise to see the results of Euromillions along with our other lotteries...

We used to have one lottery here, but now we have at least three, they keep changing the names and they all have different rules, numbers of balls, bonus balls etc...  My reaction to all of this is just to switch off... and Euromillions was just one more lottery to ignore.  But I'll try to guess a few more numbers now and we can compare notes later...  Trouble is guessing numbers usually spoils/curtails an opportunity for a great adventure!

catmeow

[Telos]

Trouble is guessing numbers usually spoils/curtails an opportunity for a great adventure!

You mean it prevents a good lucid dream adventure? Or life adventure?

[catmeow]

That would be an LD adventure....  I could somehow cope with winning a huge amount of lottery money without it spoiling my life experience!

[Telos]

Ah, yes. Well, I couldn't tell at first!

You shouldn't worry about that, though. After you wake up and write the numbers down, I bet you'd drift right back into cool dream state.

[mhat]

On one occasion I was watching a clock on the wall, and as I watched it, the hands suddenly jumped into a new position without warning. The clock was ticking away smoothly and then suddenly the hands would jump!

this is a little off topic but about the LD and watching a clock... once when i was in a lucid dream (and saying to myself "this can't be real....but it is") there was a grandfather clock and i was watching the hands spin backwards. it was krazy

[Beero]

hey if you could do the playing card experiment well couldn't you come up with a scheme using something similar to that to predict the winning numbers?
just a thought
007

[unreality]

I was browsing the search for Akashic records and came across this. I think a technique for winning the lottery might be getting your next door neighbor to write down the winning lottery numbers every week or whatever, and put them on his fridge or wall or whatever. Then, whenever you are ready, go take a look at his wall or fridge.

[CANNIBALEX]

go to the future, in real-time zone, of where the lottery draw is.

memorise the numbers

wake up, use those numbers

= win?

[Leyla]

1) Spiritual people are rarely obsessed with great riches.

2) If isn't your "fate" to win the lottery, believe me you won't, not if it isn't supposed to happen.

*edit

3) I don't see anything about me being a lotto winner, but I am supposed to marry a well off, and well connected man. That's close enough for me!!!      

(I only hope he is not ugly and old.)

[kiwibonga]

I had a dream the other day where I was in total darkness, and children's voices all around me were chanting numbers. It seemed like they were numbers said at random, but I saw them appear in sequence on a grey background that was in front of me... I remember only 3 of them, which I wrote down on my dream notebook.

I went to check against the lottery numbers a few days later, and the 3 numbers were right! I could have won 10 bucks if I had played that day :p

I don't think using psychic means to win the lottery is a bad thing, or that it's "bad karma," but there's just so much more to all this than material gain.

The potential for abuse with out of body experiences is big enough as it is... It's not wise to turn OBEs into a get rich quick scheme...

The method to find out the numbers is quite simple. Ask and you shall receive. There's nothing the spirit world won't tell you. Anyone with average-ish dream recall can simply ask for the numbers before going to sleep, and chances are they'll have a dream similar to that one I had.

[jub jub]

Money is important but true riches come from within!

[catmeow]

But a little money would be nice...  

[Vilkate]

I could get ALL those spiritual books and CDs I want so badly,if I won a lottery! lol...  

[Beero]

hey have you seen the site www.intuitivefortune.com
I'm quite tempted to try it - it might be a load of rubbish but you get a money back guarantee
I'm interested to see if the techniques can be applied to the lottery he seems to emphasize more on casinos etc
has anyone bought the package?