What's your opinion about Breatharian or non eating ideas?

[greatoutdoors]

You eat what you know, and what you must. There are likely many people who say, "I would never eat - (fill in the blank)." My answer to all of them would be, "Then you have never been hungry."

Speaking of horses, and Breatharians, what they are selling is a load of horse-hockey. Our bodies require food and water for physical survival. Yes, if you have adequate water, you can live for a long time without food, but you will die. I will buy into their philosophy on the same day they can drive their fist through a steel bank vault without bruising their skin; or the day a 747 can cut off its engines at 10,000 feet and continue flying with no problems.

Souljah, you said:

it's sad that people should be starving "to death", but my personal perspective has always tended to place those so-called "third world" cultures & it's people above whatever the hell we're doing as "civilized" people.

Words fail me. Those "third-worlders" you have on your pedestal are doing the same thing your "civilized people" are doing -- trying to survive. Do you think for even a half-second that 99.9% of them wouldn't trade their "simple, uncomplicated" lives for regular meals, good medical care, and a solid roof over their head?

A point you might have missed -- "third worlders" (your term) are no more or less spiritual than anyone else. They are human, with all the baggage that implies!

James, as usual, you have made a better point than I could.

[Souljah333]

dear great,

i have a bit a hard time taking your opinion seriously...that as humans we're all just doing our best to survive. first of all in the US a good portion of that 99% are mindless mass-consuming pigs that play a huge role in devastating your so-called "great outdoors" faster than you can comprehend. i don't care if they drink bottled water, and get their emission stickers validated annually, very few of them know the first thing about "survival". they should. they will, but as for now...they don't.

how many people do you know have solar panels on their houses? own hybrid vehicles? have a vegetable garden? hunt or fish for food & not fun? or even turn off their G-damn lights when they walk out of a room???

i use to work with a survival camp in canada for trouble youth. outdoor survival is a GREAT PASSION of mine, and i've watched it transform many a person & wake them up. that's besides the point, but i can't agree that waking up each morning and mindlessly dragging ones butt through each day, surrounded by escapes, conveniences & luxury...is anywhere near the same thing as remote cultures who chop wood & carry water (etc).
(good book by the way...if you ever get the chance).

and by the way...it was james who brought up the term "third worlders", but i don't think he coined it either?!?

as for regular meals, good medical care, and a solid roof...you my friend are biased. that's what started the mess in the first place. when civilized people agreed that all the primitives should be rescued & saved, and somehow that turned into exploit, plunder & pillage.

i stand by what i said originally. i understand what you're saying & where you're coming from, but it's inside the box thinking, and that's just not my thing. i'm more than happy to be dropped off in the middle of nowhere and utilize all that i know to survive, but this...here...day-to-day stuff. i'm over that kind of survival! sorry.

soul

[greatoutdoors]

Hi Soul,

I think we have a lot more in common than areas of difference. It just seems you are still wearing the rose-colored glasses that I took off some years ago. I also think you do not understand what I am trying to say.

I am well aware of what humans are doing to the world environment (global warming is not part of it). But you sound like one of those who is less concerned about the environment than in US-bashing. Is there no way to reach past that blind prejudice and get to the real heart of the "survival" problem?!

I didn't use the term "their best" in my post -- I just said that everyone is trying to survive.  You say:

in the US a good portion of that 99% are mindless mass-consuming pigs that play a huge role in devastating your so-called "great outdoors."

I don't disagree.

Let's see if I can find a few other instances where the same thing is happening: Russia, where they are making no effort to avoid mass pollutiotn of soil, water and air in their industrial development efforts; Japan and Mexico where people have to wear masks outside to keep from being poisoned by the air they have polluted; Africa, where dumping toxic metals into the water supply is just how it's done, to name a very few. One more example is the systematic destruction of the world's rain forests (Africa, South America, etc.)

My point is that all of those people, all of them,  are are "mindless, mass-consuming pigs" as much so as the group you are choosing to focus on.

And another point; until you, and other folks who claim to love the natural world, can get around your irrational hatred of one place and begin to think outside that box you mentioned, there is nothing that will stop the ultimate destruction of our natural world.

I totally agree with your ideas about solar panels, vegetable gardens and hybrid cars. I have been ranting about the energy companies' control of environmental policy for quite a few years now. I can't support your idea of everyone hunting for survival because, if they did, we would have no game left to hunt. We are already depleting our ocean fisheries due to overharvesting (primarily by countries like Japan, by the way).

I am very much aware of what's going on around me. And I'll ask you a question. Can you sit down for just a moment, put aside your political programming (and yes, I have mine as well), and look at the big picture? It is not the US that is "the enemy," it is people -- wherever, whoever, period. And yes, they are doing what they do for survival.

I am only touching the high points of what I would like to add here, but I don't think anyone would appreciate me writing a novel.  

I applaud the fact that you seem to care; I disagree with the limitations you have placed on your caring.

[Souljah333]

seems you back paddled on a few things, and this confused me. i'll have to reread both your posts again and attempt to decipher?!? by the way i said, "i do understand where you're coming from".

i brought up the US bcuz that's where we live...correct?
i don't live in russia. i prefer to work with what i've got.
would seem a tad arrogant of me to pull apart another country when this one is so messed up.

what i thought you were trying to say is that people that live in downtown manhattan, or L.A., or middle america (on a whole) are just as spiritually together as australian aborigines, bushman, darhad, babongo, or adi people to name a very small few. i also thought that you were comparing survival situations?!? i'm sorry, but as long as you're responding to this post "online", and can grab a cold one from the fridge, nuke yourself up some popcorn, throw in a dvd, take a nice hot shower, and crawl into your comfy bed...i don't think you truly have the understanding to compare yourself to these tribes, and to intelligently consider them part of the "big" problem.

the problems you speak of of other large countries is not a problem of the people. it's a problem involving big corporate business. so it seems we should then move on to other subjects...(although i still thought the horse meat one was more on the level for this forum)...now we're getting into some weighty issues like over-population, and the 1%'s new world views of getting rid of 2/3 of it.

either way that subject is pretty much out of our hands, but what should we expect...we are afterall just trying to survive.

love soul

[Stevo]

Those people who forget the 'spirit' and the body are two seperate things are idiots. The body is an object in the physical world which excretes and sheds, so it must gain in order to balance the excreting. I'm not talking about just number ones and two's. I'm talking sweat, hair, nails, skin. Our cells continuously split, and when that happens they both are half of the whole. In order for the new cell to regain full composure, it must eat.

Just because someone's all, "Look at me, I'm spiritual" doesn't mean they can bend the rules of nature. They can do whatever they want with the spirit, but there are rules of the physical that are solid because our world is filled with boundaries. Makes life more interesting that way.

If you stop eating, I guess you can stop breathing too. That's taking particles out of the air and ingesting those through a different form. Let's see those kinds of people stop breathing.

[Ybom]

Those people who forget the 'spirit' and the body are two seperate things are idiots. The body is an object in the physical world which excretes and sheds, so it must gain in order to balance the excreting. I'm not talking about just number ones and two's. I'm talking sweat, hair, nails, skin. Our cells continuously split, and when that happens they both are half of the whole. In order for the new cell to regain full composure, it must eat.

Just because someone's all, "Look at me, I'm spiritual" doesn't mean they can bend the rules of nature. They can do whatever they want with the spirit, but there are rules of the physical that are solid because our world is filled with boundaries. Makes life more interesting that way.

If you stop eating, I guess you can stop breathing too. That's taking particles out of the air and ingesting those through a different form. Let's see those kinds of people stop breathing.

The idea of science and indeed religion is to bend the rules that we figure out, and have figured out on our own, to the best of our ability. Your concept that the body has to gain to counter the excreting, are you sure it doesn't excerete to counter the gaining?

Don't tell me not to bend the rules of nature, because by bending these laws I will do my part in a fight against harvesting.

Do you not bend your laws of nature by driving a vehicle around? The human body can run at a maximum velocity of about oh, let's say 30 miles per hour when properly trained naturally. The last I checked there was a vehicle that could travel past the sound barrier. A big difference me thinks. Apply a few things we take for granted here and there, you're breaking rules all over the place!

I am not saying that the ideas presented with this cult are believable in their current state, but I think you should take up the idea of that "we are not ready" rather than "humans aren't capable". Don't speak for my capabilities thank you very much. I'll limit myself how I deem fit!

[vsskye]

that is just weird.  You have to eat to live!

[Ybom]

that is just weird.  You have to eat to live!

Simple and to the point, but why do you have to eat to live? Do you state this because of what you believe or have you tried to fast for extended periods of time? On top of that, what type of faith do you have?

[Souljah333]

Dear Ybom, nice to see another that can "really" think outside the box.
yeah...in another 100 years...people will be debating about those little stumps underneath them. most will insist they're stabilizer bars to keep from falling off the couch, and a few freaks will actually try and proclaim they can be used to move around!

this whole we NEED food thing is weird!

To Stevo & vsskye...do you think that's air you're breathing?!?

REACH
:arrow:Soul

[James S]

I am not saying that the ideas presented with this cult are believable in their current state, but I think you should take up the idea of that "we are not ready" rather than "humans aren't capable". Don't speak for my capabilities thank you very much. I'll limit myself how I deem fit!

A good point there! Something worth thinking about.
Nature doesn't set our limits. She's very flexible. We set them.

I KNOW I can creatively manifest to a small extent. I have witnessed my affirmations becoming real - the seen being created from the unseen. If I can do this, something that others would say is either impossible or miraculous, then why can I not also live off light?

I've been arguing about what is practical, not about what is possible.
I read the articles from Kodemaster's link on the first page of this topic that detailed the people who have died trying to live the breatharian lifestyle and decided that this is all a crock. But what if it isn't, and we're simply not evolved enough yet to do it properly?

I don't think I'd like to be the present day equivalent of one of the catholic church's "spiritual leaders" who condemned Galileo for heresy.

Food for thought?
James.

[Ybom]

I am not saying that the ideas presented with this cult are believable in their current state, but I think you should take up the idea of that "we are not ready" rather than "humans aren't capable". Don't speak for my capabilities thank you very much. I'll limit myself how I deem fit!

A good point there! Something worth thinking about.
Nature doesn't set our limits. She's very flexible. We set them.

I KNOW I can creatively manifest to a small extent. I have witnessed my affirmations becoming real - the seen being created from the unseen. If I can do this, something that others would say is either impossible or miraculous, then why can I not also live off light?

I've been arguing about what is practical, not about what is possible.
I read the articles from Kodemaster's link on the first page of this topic that detailed the people who have died trying to live the breatharian lifestyle and decided that this is all a crock. But what if it isn't, and we're simply not evolved enough yet to do it properly?

I don't think I'd like to be the present day equivalent of one of the catholic church's "spiritual leaders" who condemned Galileo for heresy.

Food for thought?
James.

No, it's what I wanted to hear and what I want to hear more people saying, not that I need to hear it; this is only a desire.

Practicality only goes so far, and only works well because it almost does the work for you. This is sometimes why I take the hard road, to constantly remind myself that I am not a robot and I will not wake up one day in my 40s and ask where my life went. This is why it's worth taking the chance to be a Breatharian now, because you cannot make music with the guitar without making your fingers bleed first. The bleeding stops, and so does the hunger if you believe it will.

Is it practical? You decide if it's the next step for you to make yourself automated, and the next step on the road to see if God has given us an infinite amount of upgradability or not.

I hope Breatharianism is real, but never goes mainstream. I want it to be a challenge for those who deem themselves (err I mean God deems) worthy.

[edit:]Just for those who are wondering. I am not one of these people, but I sure do respect the Breatharians that are honestly on the quest of no food. Will they die off, or will they live happily without a grocery bill every week for the rest of their lives?[/edit:]

[Froglet]

I'd have to say this topic took off.  I don't know for sure whether or not a human body can go with out food for that long.  However, I think it may be possible... I've never really fasted before even... but I've gone for most of a weekend without food.  I don't know why people do it.  I know why if I chose to try this would be to show myself this world is more like a dream... or I was thinking the other day.   When I wake up in a dream, I can have control of the dream if I stay lucid.  So if this is so why not the same for this part of life.  Perhaps some people may see that as silly logic.  I would say that for me it's not so important if I chose to try this and succeeded that I didn't eat but rather that I would have the choice as to if I wanted to or not.

[Souljah333]

i promised i wouldn't forum hop before getting a few things done for myself this morning first, but...seeing as it's not 6am like i assumed it was...and really 2am i guess i've got some extra "time" (another interesting topic we give so little thought too, and yet so much control).

i wanted to apologize. not for my perspective, but for just how the words come off some times. i'm not some all-together creature that is withholding secrets, and thinking myself holier than thou, as was discussed elsewhere earlier. i'm just a girl in the world. surviving pretty much as GOD (heh) said. i just really think we could step it up a few notches! that it's not only something we can afford, but something dire that must be done...this putting aside of beliefs to create room for something new. we can put them aside w/out losing them. w/out losing ourselves.

so much time is wasted butting heads (i feel), squashing ideas, and holding ground. what else could we be doing with that energy? we ARE beings of manifestation! we have soooo much more power than we can possibly imagine (obviously)! we need to step up the game if we're to survive. we've ceased evolving here...and we WILL see the repercussions of that sooner than we "think". i'm not speaking of technology, it's surpassed us in leaps 'n' bounds as we stand around scratching our heads. we really don't have a clue in total, and that's where we need to start...humbling ourselves first.

just yesterday i was mentioning to a friend how perfect everything is that's natural...like the human body! how perfectly complete. it doesn't require fuel, or batteries, or upgrading...and it's capable of infinite things.
it runs itself (thank GOD), and we really are the worst betrayers of this gift. when "we" THINK we are doing all that we can. when we draw the line of what we are capable of. i know enough of my own conditioning to understand that NONE of us are qualified to make those assessments. when we put that "out there" that's what we are manifesting.

i want to see it change. i do. i am suddenly very focused on self-discipline, and abstinence, and pushing the boundaries, and i would love to see that become a movement of the people. i guess "breatharian" is a part of that. it's time we stop thinking about the "impossible" and start thinking about the "possible". time we stop talking about what we can't handle, and start demonstrating what we can! for ourselves...not to PROVE ourselves.

all in all i just want everyone to be acknowledged, and never feel that they're wrong or out of the loop. that's RE-ACTION.
i want to just keep the action part going.

this has turned out to be a wonderful thread.
thanx froggie, and all who have replied!!! including me
blessed EARLY morning by the way!
CARPE FxxKING DIEM!!!

[Ybom]

CARPE FxxKING DIEM!!!

More like Carpe Secundus.

[Souljah333]

Tanta stultitia mortalium est.

[Froglet]

what does that mean? I have next to no knowledge of latin. haha

[Souljah333]

What fools these mortals be.

[Ain_Elohim]

okay....you eat you live, you dont you die.  plain and simple.  i dont have the exact time span for survival without food, but depending of body mass, fat stored ect. its something like a week or so.  anyone ever heard of starvation? hmmmm.  water also is a must, as the body is 80% water.  how can something survive when its denied that which it is?  impossible!  yes i said it impossible.  i know people like to say that "anythings possible"  uh, no its not.  for example, its impossible for me to jump to the moon and settle there in 3...2...1...NOW!  see, im still here, impossible just like its impossible the live without food and/or water.  as for bending the laws of nature...how?  if it can be done, then its in accord with the laws of nature no matter what it is...like cloning,  in full accordance with the laws of nature.  if it cannot be done, that is because it is against the laws of nature.  another misnomer is that it can be done if one has the right amount of faith...nope, wrong again.  true, if your Will is strong and in accordace with the laws of nature, then increadible feats can be performed, but not everything is possible no matter how much you may want it to be. So again... you eat, you live..you dont, then you die.  plain and simple.

[NickJW]

well said Ain Elohim

[D]

Anything is possible.  But it would be to deny yourself an energy source.  Eating healthy is a good idea

[Ybom]

okay....you eat you live, you dont you die.  plain and simple.  i dont have the exact time span for survival without food, but depending of body mass, fat stored ect. its something like a week or so.  anyone ever heard of starvation? hmmmm.  water also is a must, as the body is 80% water.  how can something survive when its denied that which it is?  impossible!  yes i said it impossible.  i know people like to say that "anythings possible"  uh, no its not.  for example, its impossible for me to jump to the moon and settle there in 3...2...1...NOW!  see, im still here, impossible just like its impossible the live without food and/or water.  as for bending the laws of nature...how?  if it can be done, then its in accord with the laws of nature no matter what it is...like cloning,  in full accordance with the laws of nature.  if it cannot be done, that is because it is against the laws of nature.  another misnomer is that it can be done if one has the right amount of faith...nope, wrong again.  true, if your Will is strong and in accordace with the laws of nature, then increadible feats can be performed, but not everything is possible no matter how much you may want it to be. So again... you eat, you live..you dont, then you die.  plain and simple.

You like the phrase "plain and simple" too much. You oversimplify your life and you can't help but try to get others into your little oversimplified box. I am a bit confused how you relate jumping to the moon to breatharianism. Both are difficult concepts to accomplish, but neither are impossible, however jumping to the moon requires the additional struggle of holding your breath as well, and in breatharianism that just doesn't do well. You ask too much of me! Jumping over the Pacific Ocean would serve the same purpose, but are you afraid someone may try that and succeed? You make me laugh.

I will make a deal with you, I will agree to make Breatharianism a long term humankind goal and set easier goals for my personal self, if you promise to stop being an butt about concepts you don't agree with. Essentially to open your mind to ultra-long-term concepts more. Until you agree to my terms though, I will just keep snickering when I think of how much you sound like GWB with your "plain and simple" line.

[Souljah333]

you can't do it bcuz you don't believe it's possible. pure & simple!!!
manifestation is not as easy as thinking "I" want this to happen NOW. it doesn't work that way. you're ideas about intent & WILL power are far, far off. as far away as the moon "appears" to be!

i'm not just picking on you...this is most people's perspective. trapped in belief. limited by what they THINK is going on. i've spent some time on the moon, but that bares no point here. part of spiritual evolution to me is knowing what starving really is. it's also knowing what absolute darkness is. it's a lot of things. you are headed down a very "particular" but well trodden path that you are very CORRECT won't led to the moon or being able to exist without food & water, or money, or anything else that is vital on that route.

you might agree that a certain aspect of yourself (aka your soul/spirit) will continue on after you have left your body. if this is "possible" for you to imagine. i would suggest working backwards from that. it might prove easier to move out of that conventional trench. we are merely matter. all things are...what is so difficult to understand?!? breatharians "breath" in their nutrition. that shouldn't be any more off the wall then absorbing it at will, or absorbing it through your stomach lining, etc. but i don't want to get into the scientific aspect of it all. it's radical enough already.

seems if people want to eat food fine, but long term they should at least be thinking how to keep the good food around. it pisses me off that people put so much stock in eating, but care not about genetic modification, or monsantos poisonous operations, and all the rest of the garbage that's replacing real food. that we can't support the beef industry without taking over other countries forests, clearing-cutting them out to feed an ever burdening system. so we can have our mcmeals. there are too many people to feed. breatharianism seems part of the natural evolution and something to look at seriously...otherwise we'll just keep insisting that food is a necessity until there isn't any left!

sort of insulted that you'd push the "textbook" stuff. 80% water and all that. this is a discussion BEYOND that. i think...personally. we all understand what our function HAS been...we're talking about the possibilities of what it COULD be.

again REACH
soul

[Froglet]

Souljah333, Your thoughts parallel very closely to mine.  It is the thoughts that you have presented that I have had before that drive me towards something like breatharian type ideas, "astral projecting"(obes phasing whichever name suits you).  It's the idea that perhaps as humans we have all assumed to much and these assumptions are what limit us.  I'm currently in search of what the Truth.  I want to find it for myself, I don't want to just go off assumptions anymore.  It seems strange to me that some people starve and others can live without food.  Maybe some people would say well the latter are lying and are sneaking food.   But to me that makes little sense because they are doing it for themselves and not to tell you  "look I'm not eating".   I'd have to say I don't know what the limits of our abilities are and I would like to keep pushing and pushing the limits until I find out.  I'm not worried about dying in the process.  Perhaps, one day we can either find an absolute limit or perhaps we will find that there isn't one.  these are the two possiblities I see... or perhaps there is a third, etc.  

anyways enough rambling,
James

[Souljah333]

froglet,

yes...you made a very interesting & subtle point. i feel that most people (the conditioning is (as a form of distraction from our natural power)) function merely for the satisfaction & approval of others. it is a very difficult habit to break away from, let alone be aware of. when in comes into view, it can the shake the foundation pretty seriously, and a lot of doubt will come into play. i believe as "back or sub-coding" to suck one back into the "mindless" void.

i'll put myself out on a thin limb and say that probably 95% of the s--t people do everyday is to impress someone else. and if we're going to start anywhere...we should definitely start with that, but i can assure you from experience...that's not a well-received subject!

love soul

[NickJW]

Sorry but no matter how much you want to believe this is possible, it just isn't.
Plain and simple, its impossible. It's physically impossible for your biological body to live without an energy source which in our case is food.