suicide

[tripnonastral]

say if someone kills themself, they automatically goto the astral plane? i always read about stuff like, when people kill themselves they goto hell, i dislike that idea. just my opinion anyways, if someone killed themself do they start out on a hell like astral plane? or is it possible after a suicide to start on a high astral plane in a very heaven like area?

[MindFreak]

People who commit suicide will come back to finish their term. Most of us come back anyway so the time is extended.

[James S]

Hi tripnonastral,

I recently had a hand in helping a deceased person to cross over who had accidentally committed suicide. It was a cry for help that unfortunately went too far.

This person was stuck in the earth plane and could move on because of guilt, because of sorrow for what had happened. Once that guilt was released, they were able to cross over peacefully.

The only hell that exists when we die is the one of our own making. It is the hell that created out of our own bitterness, sorrow or grief. Once a soul is released from these negative feelings, they are free to move on.

I'm not a big advocate of the idea that we are just here to learn lessons. I believe we are here to experience life in all its myriad of aspect, and learning lessons is a natural result of the experiences. This is how, as spirit beings, we evolve.

When someone suicides, they've chosen to opt out of the experiences (and resulting lessons) they came here to seek. Their soul, their conscious awareness will then decide how best to deal with this, which will usually mean they'll come back again for another go.

As a rough analogy, think of it as being like trying to complete a level in a video game. If you get killed, you can choose to give up on that game and play another one, or you can go back in to that level and build up the skills needed to complete it.

Blessings,
James.

[Leyla]

I'm not a big advocate of the idea that we are just here to learn lessons. I believe we are here to experience life in all its myriad of aspect, and learning lessons is a natural result of the experiences.

Very interesting, James. I've been wondering about this lately myself, and appreciate the alternative viewpoint. It's really something to ponder.

[Targett]

Lately ive often wondered if having no desire to live and completely giving up in life so you starve on the street is classified as suicide? And is it wrong?

Suicide is defined as killing yourself, But is refusing to keep going classified as committing suicide? Technically your not killing yourself, but you will surely die of thirst or hunger withing a few days of giving up.

Its wrong to kill yourself, but is it wrong to not go on? Is there like some kind of cosmic law that says you have to keep this body alive for as long as you can while your here?

[IequalMC2]

Einstein said:

"Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater."

I had to look that up properly, it a quote that was written on a door at my old school, whenever I read it I always thought

"Don't think so"

[Leyla]

Targett- You don't have to live this way. http://www.stresscenter.com/

IequalMC2- Do you not get the joke? His problems are greater because he's dealing with the worlds hardest mathematics, and he has to earn his living at it.

You don't solve a problem, you get an F. He doesn't solve a problem, he doesn't get to eat.

[Leannain]

well,leyla,yes..but einstein is a genius..and we are average people >_>

[MisterJingo]

Hi tripnonastral, James S hit the nail on the head. In my experience, suicide is not bad, and does not cause one to go to any hell. If the person who commited suicide is full of guilt, or still caught up in misery, then they might possibly create an hell like experience for themselves. But this is totally self induced and the person so caught can be aided to escape from this negativity.

[Leyla]

Leannain- We are ordinary people solving ordinary math problems.

He is a genius, but he's pitting his mind on problems so hard no one has ever sloved them before. Not even other geniuses.

When you sit down in 8th grade math class, they don't set down a page of problems no other 8th grader has ever sloved before.

[MisterJingo]

As with any scientific discovery, it was the cumulative work of many scientists rather than one. But usually one is picked out as the discoverer. Look into the history of relativity, and also the theories which led to it. Einstein was the person who put the ideas together to form relativity, but relativity was based on the work and discoveries of other scientists. As I said Einstein put it all together with the help of many of his friends, who helped him with the details.

There are a lot of lies written about Einstein saying he was a plagiarizer, but there are a lot of lies about his genius too. Do some research into his background and look into Lorentz and Poincare. The truth is rarely that which is portrayed by popular media.

[IequalMC2]

Sorry about that post a little irresponsible when where talking about suicide. I've just been feeling a little low, I'll never top myself! Sometimes I wish I couldn't see some of these things.

My new personnel opinion on suicide is this, my body is made of thought I think if you really want to give up life, you would be able to breathe out all your breath and just give up both the body and internal thoughts, or you could pray to leave your body in your sleep and see what God thinks. Starvation and stuff, still requires time and working against the body, but I reckon just giving up requires real freewill (of the body and mind)

For example, if I hang myself, my body will still struggle to live; hence my body 'Thought' would still hang about after I'm gone, no puns intended. I suppose so would the internal thoughts, which would then repel the bodies, like a long messed up 'mind split effect' like accidentally reversing the polarity of the silver cord or something.

So I reckon if you can't just collapse and die on the spot, you must be here for some reason. Think about people walking in the desert. At any time they want they can just give up, there mind even plays tricks on them, the body is the thing that walks. Run a marathon or something like that, you need the body as well, my bodies carried me before.            

Anyway

"You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat."

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is
shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

LOL I only just got it!!!

BREAD=MONEY

Ienstien, Genius I say, flippin genus!!!

Heads or Tales???

[Jo'ogn]

if having no desire to live and completely giving up in life so you starve on the street is classified as suicide? And is it wrong?

I would perceive it as a choice, certainly not as sth "wrong". Sources like Seth, or Elias put it this way: "You create your own reality" (YCYOR) So any kind of your "death" would be a "suicide" - You choose if in a (personally) dramatic, or in a smooth way.

Still you might have to ask yourself: "what am I going to do ~after~ I have disengaged from this physical dimension?" If one is bored with physical life (which I can feel into by own experience), what will change in ones motivation by simply changing the form of experiencing existance?

Is there like some kind of cosmic law that says you have to keep this body alive for as long as you can while your here?

Not to my understanding. There seems to be not a single "cosmic law" for anything. It would imply judgment by the "whole of consciousness" which only folds back upon myself (as being part of the whole) - judging myself - which again would be only my choice to do so.

There are a lot of lies written about Einstein saying he was a plagiarizer, but there are a lot of lies about his genius too. Do some research into his background and look into Lorentz and Poincare. The truth is rarely that which is portrayed by popular media.

Quite, and then it is said that Newton was "replaced" by Einstein and Einstein by Heisenberg... Each generation of science considered themselves as "right", yet, they seemingly were not. So we could claim in this "wake of moving forward in exploration", that in some future our nowadays science might be laughed upon, as "we" might do with those scientists, that believed the earth to be flat.

And some of the "projecting explorers" seem to hint already, that time and space are merely illusions for the sake of this "physical Earth Videogame", that we - as representatives of our Essences - seem to play here. So the "speed of light" would be no constant, even space wouldn't be curved, it doesn't even seem to be existant. Quantum physics already experience blinking in and out matter, wondering were did it go? Were did it come from again...

Sorry about that post a little irresponsible when where talking about suicide.

Everything is interconnected

So I reckon if you can't just collapse and die on the spot, you must be here for some reason.

Maybe thinking just doesn't create our reality?
Just "thinking"... If you say in a fit "If I'd just die!" and you would...
Just imagine: everything would instantaneously happen simply by "thought", this dimension would be completly upside down  

If one just had to think "why doesn't everyone I hate simply drop dead?!", how often would one regret, to see his/hers siblings, parents, loved ones, friends, lovers, spouses neatly decease in front of oneselves in each moment one just happens to "think" that *chuckle*

No, seriously, we seemingly have set up this dimension with quite cunny mechanism to explore this type of physical reality.

[Leannain]

Leyla-for you it may be ordinary math problems but for me they are the hardest in the world.heh

[IequalMC2]

Something very strange just happened in my reality.

[Eternity1]

I can assure you that suicides have a difficult time in other realms just as they did while on the earth plane. I delved into astral projection and metaphysics for exactly this reason. I had a brother who committed suicide years ago. I dearly loved him and longed to find him again. We were very, very, close; almost how I would imagine twins to be. I had to know - Where did he go?, What he is doing there?, Is he happier?, And of course the biggest "Why".

I opened my mind up to the possibilities and was able to reconnect with him. I have a guide who takes me to see him periodically, although I have never seen this guides' face. This guide and I are both on the same track of wanting only to see my brother progress, through patience and love. I have a sneaking suspicion that this guide is my other brother, who was murdered prior to the suicide brother's death. At any rate, the things I have encountered with my suicide brother are  both troubling and wonderful at the same time. I hope you don't mind me taking up some of your time by relaying some of these experiences to you. I am fascinated by them and can see where they are headed. It's amazing and I feel the need to share.

When I first began having experiences, almost 10 years after his death, my brother was stuck in his own "hell" so to speak. Not in the lower astral planes like some of the people seem to think on these forums. He was not surrounded by demons and astral monsters, but rather in a place of seclusion and learning - trapped in his own state of denial and confusion. I was able to see him, feel him and talk to him while I was there. He was in a deep state of grief and denial. I could even feel with great clarity what he was feeling if that makes any sense. He went so far as to show me what he wanted me to think happened to him; trying to convince me of something other than the facts of what really happened. I saw this like I was watching a movie clip.
A man came walking from out of nowhere up to my brother. My brother was sitting on his knees in an open field. I watched in horror as this unknown man shot my brother in the head at point blank range, and then walked off, disappearing as quickly as he had entered the scene. I ran up to my brother quite shaken and panicked while he tried to explain to me that this is what had taken place in the physical. I had to tell him that this was untrue and that he had done this to himself. He looked up at me bleeding and very confused. His eyes were frightened. I was so grief stricken that I hopped into a nearby car and drove off sobbing. While driving away, I realized I could not leave my brother there alone in his emotional state, so I went back to the field and helped him get into the car. We drove off together discussing the events of what really happened. There was a loving feeling then, completely unconditional. I could feel that he trusted and relied upon me to help him, which of course I would. When I came back to my body after this experience I realized my brother needed my help in order to progress. As crazy as this may seem, this has become a great portion of my "physical life" task.  

The next big experience I had was about 6 months later. I was taken by a "guide" to a place out in what seemed to be deep, dark outer space. As I traveled through the darkness, I could see a pinpoint of light. As we approached this light and it became brighter I could see that there was something "floating" in front of it. It appeared to be a flat platform, table or bed of some sort, and there was a person laying on it, covered in shiny blankets (like soft silk). When I was close enough I could see it was my brother. I became very excited and wanted him to know I was there. I began calling out to him louder and louder. Suddenly, as if being sucked backwards by a huge vacuum, I was slammed back into my body. I got out of bed feeling shaky and without my stomach - like I had been dropped from a twenty story building. After pondering this, I knew that my brother was now in a state of rest, processing his "mistake". My guide wanted me to know that my brother was okay. I got the feeling that the guide and I were not supposed to be there but the guide took me there regardless to show me that my brother was doing okay. Becoming emotional was a big no-no on my part, because I could have disturbed my resting brother. I was ticked at myself after this episode!

In recent OBE's I have witnessed my brother making great progress. In these experiences he is always playing a helping role. Helping with tasks or bringing food to the table. Simple acts of selflessness. And he seems overjoyed to be doing it. This has taken up a 20 year span of my life. And you can see where it is leading! My brother and I have both grown from these experiences, helping each other in our grief from different realms. It's really a beautiful thing!

If there is a possibility of reincarnation I don't believe he would be able to come back to the physical realm until he completely processes his suicide in all it's forms. Returning any sooner would be a waste of another life because there would be different lessons to be learned in a different life. The great powers that be seem to know this.

[Stookie]

Eternity-

Thanks for sharing your story. It's good to hear a first-hand account of this type of situation. (Especially when people talk about suicide as "opting out").

A friend of mine recently tried to committ suicide. He lost over 20% of his blood, but was rescued and got all fixed up (physically). But he's still got a hard road ahead of him...

[Cereal-N-Milk]

When you sit down in 8th grade math class, they don't set down a page of problems no other 8th grader has ever sloved before.

...they did in my math class today.

[Eternity1]

I don't think suicide is an option. People don't seem to realize they will have to deal with their emotional issues where-ever they may be. Taking away the physical body doesn't cure the spirit.

[MisterJingo]

I don't think suicide is an option. People don't seem to realize they will have to deal with their emotional issues where-ever they may be. Taking away the physical body doesn't cure the spirit.

I agree totaly with this. But many people say people who commit suicide are punished by an higher power and sent to hell (I was arguing against this a few weeks back in another thread). Although someone still has to face whatever issues caused them to commit suicide, this is self induced rather than forced on them by an external energy/entity.