Robert, what do you think of a devil/satan?

[Atlas]

My bad guys, I should have put this in another forum. I can't seem to remember that there are multiple forums here now

[Flying Free Bird]

I think there are counterparts to everything dualistic (or more) in the universe. But you mention God. What is your definition of God?

God to me is not an old man sitting on a cloud, conjuring up new creations. God is EVERYTHING. God is every force possible, good or "bad", wise or stupid. God is the demon sucking up the life force of an innocent little child, and the angel giving help to poor beings in need.

God surrounds and permeats us all. We ARE God (in essence).

This is only my view of things.

[Rob]

Agreeing with the free flying bird

The Ultimate God, at the highest dimension, encompasses everything that is, was, and will be (probably, I'll never know), and is therefore its own opposite, and much more.

[David]

I also agree, in fact I don't even like using the word God because people then seem to associate you with Christianality. God for me is just the "life force"(yeah I know it sounds cheesy but you know what I mean), and I agree that we are apart of God not his minions .

[David]

So I may not be Robert but no personally I don't think Satan exists, and is just a metaphor for evil. I think that Satan was invented by the priesthood into scaring the town folk into doing what they will say "do what we say or you'll burn in hell with the devil".

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

Couldn´t agree more, to me "god" is everything, why not by definition call it/him/her; "the life force", which exists in every atom and particle thrue the entire universe (-s), which in other words we are very much part of.   So my point is - we are god, all of us, just like my little kitten lying here next to me, he to is god although he seems sorta unaware of it right now....  we all join up in the creation of everything..  so we are all "creative gods", now isn´t that a title??  Gonna put that next to my name in the phonebook - Rikard Mattsson tlphn: ....  occupation: creative god.  hehee...  take care// Qui-Gon    

- Your focus determines your reality -

[dashour]

The ancient Incas had this definition of God:

"That which does to the universe what the soul does to the body."


If you think about this simple statement, you will see what a wealth of subtle and profound insight and truth it can reveal. To begin with, we are part of this universe...........

Dashour

[Atlas]

Ok you guys I see what you are saying, so let me rephrase it. According to what Robert has said, if he is correct, there is a definite HEIRARCHICAL system to the good side/bad side. You start with the many weak beings of both sides, and then move up to the rarer and rarer more powerful beings. Ok so if god is all encompassing or whatever, then what I mean is the highest part of the heirarchy UNDER god that could have an opposite. For instance, if there are a group of 4 archangels who are the highest beings under god, are there also 4 evil archangels? To whom do they answer? God also, or..are they under some kind of "satan" or devil?

[MJ-12]

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[David]

agreed!

[lateralus897]

Ok, what i think is that since god is everything, is counterpart would be nothing. So he has a counterpart and then he doesn't. I think there is probably one evil being which is more powerful than all the rest, and it could probably considered Satan, but not nearly powerful enough to oppose God.

[PeacefulWarrior]

"Satan" is definetly real.  EVERYTHING has it's opposite.  Light/dark, good/evil, sweet/sour, good/bad, God/Satan...

CS Lewis once said something to this effect:  The greatest thing the devil can do is convince people that he isn't real...



Edited by - daniel on 19 March 2002  19:13:57

[David]

I very much doubt the Christian Satan is real, considering the Bibles contents are highly unlikely anyway(in the face of logic and evidence). But agreed everything has it's counterpart, like ying and yang. But if you can prove Satan's existance, I'm open-minded enough.

[Kirath]

The only thing I can find on this site by Robert Bruce that talks about Satan is found under the "Nonphysical Relationships" section of http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_41.htm

[Tir13]

Hey all!
 
 Well, I'm bored and so here is my two cents, through my own personal experience.  The Xtian God, if you will, is a very real entity that I have had the displeasure of encountering/knowing.  I am not a big fan of that particular creature because of how it was created.  The devil/chaotic entity, also exists...and a bit more interesting IMHO.  Both sides have their own systems, positions, etc. for their creatures to fall into.  It fascinates me how humans have no grasp of the demonic heirarchy, but everyone refers to the Arch Angels like their going out of style.  Go figure....

Later,
Jason

[Froggman]

Personally, I don't believe in ANY heirarchy of any kind anywhere.  Referring back to the all-too-true point earlier that Everything is a part of Everything else and THAT is all there is.  If we are all a part of it, equal parts, we all have access to the same powers.  Good/Evil, whatever you call it.  There is no such thing as right or wrong.  It is only what works and what doesn't work.  It's all a matter of perspective.

[Tir13]

It's called pure/true energy, what you are referring too.  
It is very difficult to use/access unless you are born with that ability or nature.  You have to work with what you're given wether it be positive or negative, netural, etc.  In theory, yes...we are all part of 'eternity', but you have to play with the card your dealt.  Unlike theory, in practice...it doesn't always work.

Later,
Jason

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone!

I would just like to say that I do not currently believe in the concept of "satan".

I could go into a long justification of my position, but to do so would result in a large scale analysis, which I really do not want to get into, and which would encroach on the religious beliefs of some people, and which I also really do not want to do   Also, many people in this thread have stated opinions which I believe are broadly correct.

I do currently believe that there is a heirarchy of higher light and dark side beings, but which however cannot be correctly referred to as good or evil (or satan) - they are all rightful aspects of the "One", notwithstanding the fact that the dark side beings, particularly the higher ones, can be extremely powerful and dangerous and to human beings.

I hope that isn't to convoluted

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Atlas]

>>There is no such thing as right or wrong. It is only what works and what doesn't work. It's all a matter of perspective.<<

ok Froggman, but Hitler thought it "worked" to cleanse Germany of subhumans by mass murdering millions of jews, not to mention all of Stalin's millions of murders. You really don't think this is "wrong"? You don't think it's wrong to rape a woman, as long as it works in satisfying a man's sexual desires? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm just curious.

[MJ-12]

wda

[Adrian]

Greetings all!

quote:
If one were to consider "work" as pertaining to The Great Work, spiritual enlightenment, etc., then causing a holocaust, or raping someone would not "work" very well.

Indeed. There is no such definition of good and evil per se, because everything has been created to be equal, on its respective realm and level of existence. But everything *is* subject to the universal Karmic laws of "cause and effect", so anyone or anything engaging in dark actions, can expect equally dark consequences as a direct result of those actions at some juncture.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Tir13]

If you can accept the consequences for your actions, than I think you can justify it.  *laughs* Unfortunately people don't realize what a high price they must eventually...pay.  *sigh*

Lata!

Jason

[Atlas]

>>If one were to consider "work" as pertaining to The Great Work, spiritual enlightenment, etc., then causing a holocaust, or raping someone would not "work" very well.<<

Well, but what is The Great Work and spiritual enlighenment? It's completely subjective. To you it may be one thing, to me it may be something else, it's only opinion really. I imagine Hitler only had the best intentions for Germany when he conducted his cleansing. So that also makes the idea of what "works" completley subjective. That's why I believe it's dangerous to a society to try to do away with a concept of an objective "right" and "wrong" because then it's no holds barred to achieve whatever one wants, so long as someone, anyone, believes it "works".

[Apocalypse Crow]

Hey ppl!
This is the first time I post on this forum but my oppinion is that Satan is NOT a simple legend. His origins are hidden to most people but not to curiosers. Satan at the start of the times was an Angel, the best one there was, he efforted a lot for that but he wasn't the most loved one: that one was Jesus. Satan had envy of Jesus and he thought of a different approach of the way of life, and he took with him about 3/4 of the angels of the heaven and then on he tried to proof God that he was right instead of Him.

[Tir13]

3/4?...no I believe it was "a third of the stars of heaven fell" or something like that.

Jason