Is our physical lifespan predetermined?

[jilola]

Imho,


We are here to learn a number of lesson we have chosen as our life curriculum.
When we learn them we can die when ever the body dies.
Otherwise we get sent back, maybe with the exception of a suicide in the xase where we consciously recognize that the lesson is too hard and choose to end it.

2cents & L&L

jouni

[James S]

I tend to be a bit slow learning things sometimes. I could be on this earth for a VERY long time

It's a good thought though. The idea that we're here until we learn what we've come to learn, or do what we've come to do means that the length of  time we are here is not set in stone.

I wonder how we know, or if we'll know what it is we're supposed to learn?

James.

[Jacara]

quote:I wonder how we know, or if we'll know what it is we're supposed to learn?

I decided awhile ago that this is the first thing I'll ask my guide(s) if/when I ever meet them (and know them enough to trust that they really are my guides).

[alpha]

Ah I had this whole post already typed out but my browser crashed,*grrrr*

Heres a shorter version of it,
This is something I read somewhere I forget where exactly.That we attract certain situations and people to learn the lessons we choose.Or have been carried over from a past life.

We also choose when we will depart,and birthdate.The parents we will have that will have the best chance of helping you learn your lessons.You do this with the help of your guides ofcourse.

If you want to know what you are here to learn?Look back at your life to now.What kind of situations have you been constantly faced with.You may find a number of very simular ones.That is where your lessons are at.

The scary thing is that  situations will keep repeating  untill you get the picture.Ahh,I dont know exactly what it is im here to learn.But im starting to get an idea.I feel I already  learned  quite a few things.But dam they almost killed me.If any of this is  true I hope I didnt go overboard on the amount and difficulty of lessons I picked.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_shock.gif" border=0>]

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"your divine awareness awakens all the love in your being.Hating and  fearing forsaken,gone are the guilt and the blame.Your soul forgives,your divinity lives"
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[alpha]

I found the link,

http://www.gla.ac.uk/~gbza22/link3.html

For those of you who have not looked around the astralpulse much.Go to the links section from the main page.There are  alot of good reads there..
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"your divine awareness awakens all the love in your being.Hating and  fearing forsaken,gone are the guilt and the blame.Your soul forgives,your divinity lives"
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[Patty]

It makes one's heart ache, to think of going to the indescribable beauty and light.

James, I see life as teaching me on the inside. I see growth on the inside. My sense of self, or awareness of the intangible aspect of self, grows.

I don't know if we have a preset lifespan. I kinda hope so, as that would make me feel less guilty about 'leaving' my family at the end, and so on. I do feel, from experience of the last seven years, that life is such a precious opportunity to grow in so many wonderful and beautiful, indescribable ways. Like our conscious awareness grows, our souls become bigger, stronger, more beautiful. What a trip!

(I have heard accounts where people were given the option to stay in the light or returnto earth, and chose to return. So maybe there is some wiggle room.)

Patty

[Mobius]

Hi all

From a spiritual point of view, I believe very much the same thing as jijola.

We are here to learn a number of lessons we have chosen as our life curriculum. When we learn them, we can die when ever the body dies.
Otherwise we get sent back, maybe with the exception of a suicide.

I know this is a discussion about a spiritual lifespan in the physical, but I will throw this in anyway.

From a scientific point of view, (correct me if I am wrong Patty) the cells in the body only have so many divisions before they either stop dividing (therefore don't have the repairing capability they had when they could divide & renew damaged cells)  or die. On the end of each chromosome is the "telomeres" which keep record of how many divisions have occured & how many remain. Telomeres function as a cellular fuse that burns down as pieces are lost from the very ends. Telomeres have hundreds to thousands of repeats of a specific sequence. At each mitosis, the telomeres lose 50 to 200 sequences (nucleotides) gradually shortening the chromosome like a fuse. After about 50 divisions, a critical amount of telomere DNA is lost & if the cell is damaged at this point, it hasn't got the same amount of info to do a repair job.

The telomeres have a different life span & rate of mitosis in different people & no matter what you do, when they go, there's only a certain amount of divisions left before the whole works start to fall apart. From a genetic viewpoint, you could say that we are here to serve a purpose & biologically gather information through interaction, learn lessons, exchange this information through reproduction at a cellular level (have kids to keep the gene pool refreshed & less susceptable to death from whatever, like cockroaches) then continue to gather information/learn lessons for the cosmic database of knowledge & yourself.

Blahhhh, I've confused myself now,hehe.

Good journeys all

Mobius

[Tom]

It is true that human cells have telomeres which cap the ends of the chromosomes. They are vital for cell division and they get shorter with every cell division. Eventually they stop working. However, there are two exceptions which are important to keep in mind: cancer cells and stem cells. Both can continue to divide indefinitely.

Yoga says we have a fixed number of breaths in this life and we can prolong our life by using them more slowly. Negative emotions like anger and worry tend to cause the breathing to speed up. Meditation slows the breathing.

[pod3]

Some say that knowing the day of your death will turn your life to ashes, a life of always waiting for the inevitable moment.

Yes, lifespan is predetermined, but we can redetermine it. What did you suppose precognition was used for? If you sense that lightning is going to strike, get out of the way, or move the feeling elsewhere, etc.

P.S. -- I have found that, after completely successful PK, all of your energy returns to you. Furthermore, the energies of MEANINGFUL physical tasks returns severalfold.  I'm young yet but know that the regenerative effects of clarity are a secret to extreme longevity. How few of the charismatic prosperity teachers are fully aware of what they preach when speaking of the cycle!

[Gandalf]

I agree with the idea that we stay to learn the lessons we came here for, after that we hang around until our body packs up...
with the case of those who die suddenly (and horribly!) or die young, well, perhaps that experience itself is a lesson.
I do think there is a certain random element in the material world however, essential for its existence, so we shouldnt rule out the possibility of dying through a random event, like an accident or whatever... I know that when this happens we hope that there was a reason for it, but I think that there IS an element of random chance, essential for the dynamic nature of material life... if we die by soem random event.. well we just have to go back and try again!
I agree that some deaths (perhaps most) are decided upon however.

In any case, It is difficult for us on this level to work out what is due to the random, dynamic nature of the material world and what is pre-planned.. and it may be pointless to speculate... Its fun though!
If you were working it out on a percentage, I always considered the material world to consist of 75% pre-determined.. 25% random
that gives enough dynamic to make things interesting... I think that there has to be some random element as being able to deal with unexpected situations are valuable lessons in themselves.

Douglas

[PeacefulWarrior]

I believe that God knows the beginning from the end, but it doesn't stop us from making decisions....we always have our free will.  So if I choose to become a heroin abuser instead of a father and husband, or whatever, then I am failing to learn my lesson and will suffer a premature death...that's why I think murder is so forbidden.

fides quaerens intellectum

[James S]

I heard some rather startling accounts on the weekend of a friend who has been clinically dead three times on three separate occasions, and very clearly remembers each of his NDE experiences.

Each time he experienced the classic "moving toward the light". He remembers the indescribable beauty of everything around him, as he put it, far beyond anything we see on earth.

The really interesting point that came out of his description was the fact that each time he was heading to the light, he was stopped by a being who said to him to go no further. It wasn't his time and he had to go back.

When he looked back he could see himself in hospital with tubes and wires all over him and people frantically rushing around. His thoughts were "I don't want to go back to that mess, It's so beautiful here," but of course he did.

He knows now that there is much more to life after our body dies. After being told three times to go back it wasn't his time, he also firmly believes that we are on this earth for a predefined number of years.

That's the thing I'm intrigued with. Not that I want to start pushing those boundaries, but I've often though that our fates are somewhat preset. What do people think of the idea that our legth of time on earth is pre-defined?

James.