Whoa!

[WarpedReality]

So for the last few nights, I have been practicing reaching and maintaining Focus 10. Since I have been very successful (I can get to Focus 10 now in 5-10 minutes) I decided to try to AP last night.

Now I was skeptical about the whole thing to begin with: vibrating in my bed while I am climbing a non-existent rope?   So I began as normal and reached Focus 10 by only focusing on the API and then eventually at the darkness in my eyelids (which would usually erupt into swirls of blue....its always blue).

When I felt it was right, I began to climb that damn rope. Up and up I went, I actually started to feel surges in my legs. Weird I thought, so I pictured myself in my childhood backyard: this caused my heart chakra (or whatever it is) to literally pound the excrement out of my ribcage. While my "heart" was pounding bloody murder, I got strong vibrations in my head. So I went back to climbing the rope and I felt myself lift ever so slightly out of my body.

Oh, and I could hear a strong but consistent wind which I am positive was part of the AP. So yeah, this was amazing, just like all of you had said would happen.  

I eventually tried in the morning but ended up having a lucid dream about myself APing and the whole dream I was violently vibrating as I floated about (weird huh).


So thanks for the advice and support of these forums, but my question is: A lucid dream still has that haze that clouds the mind while you are in it, but does a successful AP/OBE have the same haze? Or is a clear minded and obvious experience? How do you tell the two apart if our consciousness experiences them similarly?

[Sepultura123]

No , in AP the mind is clearly focus on what your doing not like in dreams you don't necessary know what you're doing , thats why sometime you don't think about your dream and awake the morning with no memory of dreams.

Your not fully conciousness but its more memorable than a dreams but you have to know that your mind is a little changed.

You can tell the difference because in lucid dreams you don't have the strange feelings of vibration and in AP youre fully conscious or what you're doing , in lucid dreams you appear in a dreams like that.
Another proof that it was a dream is that you have feeled vibration when in AP (in your dream) , you dont have vibration in AP , just before or after the AP.

[WarpedReality]

Well, I've lucid dreams where i wasn't vibrating: I was just bumming around and attempting to manipulate my environment. However, in all lucid dreams, I have had the same hazy/clouded mind that accompanies all dreams.

From what you are saying, I will have the same hazy/clouded mind when I project but with more consciousness!? It seems very difficult to tell lucid dreams from AP...but if I AP, wouldn't the telling sign be that I am floating above my sleeping body?

[Sepultura123]

Your mind is not hazy but your mind is changed ... Like you dont think about bad things like murder or violence. And yes you are more conscious.

If youre felling vibration and youre clearly pushing hard to AP and after you AP its surely an AP but if suddenly like that youre above your body and you didnt feel time spend before the experience its surely a lucid dreams.

I got in transe one time in Lucid dreaming . Iwas dreaming and I was lucid , I thinked hard about doing an AP and the next thing that happen to me , I was in my bed in transe trying to get out. Your feelings in the AP